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Post by jinxed on Nov 4, 2014 19:34:04 GMT -5
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Post by cheapthryl on Nov 4, 2014 19:38:28 GMT -5
That new sub will make what you want to do a little easier.
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Post by jinxed on Nov 5, 2014 6:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2014 11:28:03 GMT -5
The high pass on the yamaha is interesting. As the yamaha appears to have no crossover knob to cut the sound off for itself. It does have two setting switch on the yamaha a high and a low cutoff. Rather vague imo. But I guess it would work in a pinch. Just hope it matches the wharfedale well. The jamo has a better cutoff switch where it is a knob so you can adjust the crossover to blend better. So in terms of blending this may be easier than the yamaha. No idea about output performance though. Neither will benefit or hinder the speaker. The wharfedale will still be producng the full output of the sound (it won't be producing ONLY the mid-range and above etc)and you will be using the crossover/high pass on either sub to figure out where to blend it in. The only question is how well will it blend. The jamo has a better chance of it. |
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Post by jinxed on Nov 5, 2014 13:57:29 GMT -5
ah then the obvious reason would probaly be Jamo ftw in this case BUT i've been reading about down firing subs being very boomy especially in a corner under a desk (wicth is how im gonna place it too) but there are also people who says that its completely untrue since bass waves are omnidirectional. what opinion do u have on this subject? (gratz on 7k posts btw  |
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Post by jinxed on Nov 5, 2014 14:34:03 GMT -5
i think i will skip these subs and get the SVS pb-1000 later on, or would that be overkill?  |
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Post by dally on Nov 5, 2014 15:06:13 GMT -5
i think i will skip these subs and get the SVS pb-1000 later on, or would that be overkill? IMO you can never have too much sub. Too little, yes but you can always control the output on a bigger sub. |
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Post by brand on Nov 5, 2014 15:27:06 GMT -5
You are based in Europe right? Like I've written before. I would not get the Yamaha sub, I'd go the SVS (or similar companies) route. Quality sub, will not disappoint and def not overkill (you could even save up and get a PB 2000, SB if you're focusing on music).
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Post by jinxed on Nov 5, 2014 15:42:16 GMT -5
this pretty much blew my budget (650 euro) haha! im looking for cheaper way to power this beast SVS and Wharfedale. i happen to have a integrated stereo amplifier (pretty darn huge) lying somewhere in my apartment witch previously belongs to my father, but since he left and probaly forgot about he's equipment, might aswell see if i can use it. im talking about the : Sony TA-FA5 ES
www.audiophile.org/upload/083/53ed21fe1656b678cb72f2288bc64967.jpgi probaly need the behringer Garbulky was talking about to be able to connect it to my pc. other than that, does it have all the bells and whistle's to be able to connect the wharfedale and SVS? Nov 5, 2014 21:27:06 GMT 1 brand said:
You are based in Europe right? Like I've written before. I would not get the Yamaha sub, I'd go the SVS (or similar companies) route. Quality sub, will not disappoint and def not overkill (you could even save up and get a PB 2000, SB if you're focusing on music).
pb 2000 cost 300 euro's more than the pb 1000, i would rather spend the 300 euro on better front speakers. having a 119 euro speaker and 800 euro sub seems kinda out of proportion not sure if proportion matters but still |
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Post by brand on Nov 5, 2014 16:08:20 GMT -5
Best advice I can give you if you're on a tight budget is to get the bare necessities first but get the best you can and build from there. Necessary are a pair of front speakers and either a receiver or go the preamp(dad) / amp route. I wouldn't buy a sub for now. I would invest all that money into better speakers and amplification. And ebay etc or getting b-stock can be a gold mine. I got a set of UPA-1 (200watt each), USP-1 and ERC-1 off ebay for I think 800 euros which is a fantastic deal in Europe. All used, work great and still using them today. The great thing about Emotiva gear is that they let you pass the warranty onto the buyer and they have a repair center in the Netherlands.
Edit: Reason for this is I have done the "I'll just get this for now so I have a amp/sub/laptop etc" but ended up selling it fairly quickly and "lost" money in the process.
Edit2: Another option would be to buy powered monitors and skip amps etc entirely
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2014 16:59:32 GMT -5
this pretty much blew my budget (650 euro) haha! im looking for cheaper way to power this beast SVS and Wharfedale. i happen to have a integrated stereo amplifier (pretty darn huge) lying somewhere in my apartment witch previously belongs to my father, but since he left and probaly forgot about he's equipment, might aswell see if i can use it. im talking about the : Sony TA-FA5 ES
www.audiophile.org/upload/083/53ed21fe1656b678cb72f2288bc64967.jpgi probaly need the behringer Garbulky was talking about to be able to connect it to my pc. other than that, does it have all the bells and whistle's to be able to connect the wharfedale and SVS? Nov 5, 2014 21:27:06 GMT 1 brand said:
You are based in Europe right? Like I've written before. I would not get the Yamaha sub, I'd go the SVS (or similar companies) route. Quality sub, will not disappoint and def not overkill (you could even save up and get a PB 2000, SB if you're focusing on music).
pb 2000 cost 300 euro's more than the pb 1000, i would rather spend the 300 euro on better front speakers. having a 119 euro speaker and 800 euro sub seems kinda out of proportion not sure if proportion matters but still Your father's amp will work fine. I have no idea how much power it has. But those amps tend to be pretty nice. Yes you will need a behringer. Use RCA cables to connect it to the CD inputs on your amp. Use the pre-outputs and use a pair of RCA cables to connect it to the jamo. What brand said is accurate. Spending more on the essentials gives you better value rather than dividing up between a bunch of stuff. I spend lots and lots of money making incremental upgrades, selling, making some more etc. It's better to save and just get some quality stuff that will really last ya. But of course that takes time. As for downfiring. At the price you are looking at which is about entry level, it's not the downfiring that is going to be the issue. It's going to be the quality of the subwoofer itself. So don't worry too much about it. At the price range, the subs may give you these negatives: you may hear lack of punch, volume, slow smeared bass and lack of low end extension. I'm not saying that's for sure what you'll get, but those are the typical problems encountered. FWIW, I've heard the power sound XV15 which is a $700 15 inch subwoofer and downfiring. It is very powerful and reasonably clear. I had an old cambridge megaworks 510D downfiring 8 inch subwoofer - which is probably around $80-100 worth of sub. It was muddy, blurred, lacked volume and punch. But did an okay job in the upper bass. I've heard a $40 sub that sounded like ass but it was forward firing.  So imo, it really depends on the subwoofer. |
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Post by moko on Nov 5, 2014 17:10:11 GMT -5
is there particular reason you choose that whaferdale speakers ? that diamond series are known to be muddy. and since you have that sony integrated amp, why not get a better speakers ? a second hand bookshelf speakers on ebay from europe will be more affordable since you don't have to buy amp. get the speakers first. sub can wait.
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Post by jinxed on Nov 5, 2014 18:17:43 GMT -5
is there particular reason you choose that whaferdale speakers ? that diamond series are known to be muddy. and since you have that sony integrated amp, why not get a better speakers ? a second hand bookshelf speakers on ebay from europe will be more affordable since you don't have to buy amp. get the speakers first. sub can wait. As i stated before ''I own the KRK Rockits RP6 G3 atm i kinda like them when playing good quality music on it but most of the time it isn't satisfying.  On low volume it sounds empty/flat/very accurate but(not enjoyable to listen to) but keep in mind, thats on low volume. with pretty decent volume it starts sounding better and better ,bass is beginning to really kick in and the ''warm'' sound are also coming out.. but just not enough for my likings/taste. It sounds great with reasonable volume and a good quality soundtrack but i feel it could be much better with a hifi speaker instead of studio monitors. Movies and games on the other end has no bass whatsoever witch u would want while watching an action movies for example and same story with games. Now u might suggest me to add a sub to it , thats what im trying to do now but only with a pair of hifi speakers instead of studio monitors. (i can send it back and get my money returned till somewhere december witch i probaly will)'' Wharfedale 121 seemed the best fitting speakers for me since it has this particular bass reflex witch makes it easier for placing but also the ''warm'' sound it gives and not to mention its price (119 euro) that seemed to fit in my budget witch originally was around 650 euros i also find 2.0 system just not enough for bass heavy movies (action sci fi etc) so a sub is a must for me. after some research i decided that its better to go for a ''quality'' subwoofer SVS pb-1000 since people recommend me to choose the best possible for its money to minimize the chance of not liking therefor selling it. i pretty much overblown my stated budget but i can see it through the fingers as long as i try to minimize the ''damage'' , witch is 80 euro's as of now. |
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Post by brand on Nov 5, 2014 20:18:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying don't get a subwoofer. I'm saying don't buy a subwoofer now that costs twice as much as your main front speakers. Invest that money into speakers and buy a PB-1000 when you have the money for it. Also SVS pop up on ebay even in Europe quite regulary depending on where you live. I've seen them go for 2-300 euros. Since your sticking to the Sony I'd spend about 100 euro max on a DAC (schiit, dragonfly, behringer, etc) and the rest on speakers. If you're set on Wharfedale and new products go for the Diamond 220 for example (400 a pair I think). If you like warm sound you might look at used pair of B&W.
Edit: Think of it this way: You've gone a while "without" proper Bass. A bit more time is not going to hurt you but instead reward with a more satisfying experience.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2014 20:52:17 GMT -5
^^that's my suggestion brand. Invest the money into the mains. Go for the subwoofer later. |
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Post by jinxed on Nov 6, 2014 7:33:20 GMT -5
hm i was interested in the 220 but its not for sale yet in europe.
what about the Bowers & Wilkins 685 S2? 650 euro's for a pair + free 10m speaker cable worth of 60 euro's.
also behringer UCA202 23,90 euro
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Post by moko on Nov 6, 2014 9:04:33 GMT -5
"I own the KRK Rockits RP6 G3 atm i kinda like them when playing good quality music on it but most of the time it isn't satisfying. On low volume it sounds empty/flat/very accurate but(not enjoyable to listen to) but keep in mind, thats on low volume. with pretty decent volume it starts sounding better and better ,bass is beginning to really kick in and the ''warm'' sound are also coming out.. but just not enough for my likings/taste. It sounds great with reasonable volume and a good quality soundtrack but i feel it could be much better with a hifi speaker instead of studio monitors." Do you use the digital volume control in your pc ? if yes, then i see where the problem is. the reduced output from pc makes the amp in your powered speakers doesn't reach its potensial power. the digital volume control also degrade the sound especially at low level. i had this problem in the past so i know how to handle it. now here is the solution : 1. connect your pc with your sony integrated amp with mini to rca jack which goes to input "aux"  (4th from the left in the picture) 2. connect the pre out of your integrated amp to your rokit speakers (1st from right) 3. select input selector in the front of int. amp to "aux" 4. now this is important : max out your pc digital volume control until 100% and then control the volume from your int. amp. 5. and last : according to your taste adjust the high and low frequency level on the back of your speakers or using tone control in your int amp.  hope it helps ! |
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Post by brand on Nov 6, 2014 11:01:17 GMT -5
Wharfedale is a European (UK) company and the speaker was released already so it should be available
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Post by garbulky on Nov 6, 2014 11:33:55 GMT -5
Since you are in EU, I don'tknow enough about speaker brands in your area and used prices to reccomend you a good one. Hopefully others can help
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Post by jinxed on Nov 6, 2014 13:03:56 GMT -5
u can see some good names here with price: www.eshop.nl/actie/gratis-10-meter-luidsprekerkabel-twv-60-euro.htmlthey all come with free 10m speakr cable for free. i've been searching for the Wharfedales 200 series but can't seem to find them anywhere but UK websites themselves. im leaning towards the : Bowers&Wilkins 686 S2 (don't have enough room the 685 S2) i've got kids coming along pretty often thus i really favor the protected tweeter. |
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