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Post by foggy1956 on Dec 3, 2017 12:06:13 GMT -5
Doing some online reading and specifically the Dirac user manual for the computer version and guess what's in there...a very nice and usable section to adjust both delays and levels for individual channels. Page 25 section 4.4.6 in the dirac manual. The problem is 100% with Emotiva since some of us can't use the unit as intended and an acceptable work around is both possible and avalible on other units. A solution is also apperently already availible in the Dirac software so to me it just seems like this has not been properly thought through. Emotiva only has what Dirac will allow with the licensing. Dirac provides the software and capabilities and Emotiva cannot change it. What you're looking at is the standalone software version that requires a computer to play music through and costs close to $800. The Dirac version licensed by MiniDSP don't have those options you refer to in the Dirac manual, either. That's because Dirac doesn't include it in the hardware versions that Emotiva and MiniDSP use. And Dirac does indeed set delays for up to two subwoofers in the XMC which is, after all, a 7.2 processor. Geebo, Have you looked at the time alignment of the 2 subs with REW after having run dirac? |
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Post by geebo on Dec 3, 2017 19:10:37 GMT -5
Emotiva only has what Dirac will allow with the licensing. Dirac provides the software and capabilities and Emotiva cannot change it. What you're looking at is the standalone software version that requires a computer to play music through and costs close to $800. The Dirac version licensed by MiniDSP don't have those options you refer to in the Dirac manual, either. That's because Dirac doesn't include it in the hardware versions that Emotiva and MiniDSP use. And Dirac does indeed set delays for up to two subwoofers in the XMC which is, after all, a 7.2 processor. Geebo, Have you looked at the time alignment of the 2 subs with REW after having run dirac? I have not. |
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Post by theswede on Dec 4, 2017 3:16:21 GMT -5
Doing some online reading and specifically the Dirac user manual for the computer version and guess what's in there...a very nice and usable section to adjust both delays and levels for individual channels. Page 25 section 4.4.6 in the dirac manual. The problem is 100% with Emotiva since some of us can't use the unit as intended and an acceptable work around is both possible and avalible on other units. A solution is also apperently already availible in the Dirac software so to me it just seems like this has not been properly thought through. Emotiva only has what Dirac will allow with the licensing. Dirac provides the software and capabilities and Emotiva cannot change it. What you're looking at is the standalone software version that requires a computer to play music through and costs close to $800. The Dirac version licensed by MiniDSP doesn't have those options you refer to in the Dirac manual, either. That's because Dirac doesn't include it in the hardware versions that Emotiva and MiniDSP use. And Dirac does indeed set delays for up to two subwoofers in the XMC which is, after all, a 7.2 processor. I am well aware but think it is interesting to note that Dirac recognizes the need to make manual delay adjustments and already have the functionality. I also think Emotiva could renegotiate their OEM deal with Dirac to include this on the sub channels or simply just add a manual distance/delay adjustment to the Dirac preset on the sub channels. |
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Post by geebo on Dec 4, 2017 8:01:24 GMT -5
Emotiva only has what Dirac will allow with the licensing. Dirac provides the software and capabilities and Emotiva cannot change it. What you're looking at is the standalone software version that requires a computer to play music through and costs close to $800. The Dirac version licensed by MiniDSP doesn't have those options you refer to in the Dirac manual, either. That's because Dirac doesn't include it in the hardware versions that Emotiva and MiniDSP use. And Dirac does indeed set delays for up to two subwoofers in the XMC which is, after all, a 7.2 processor. I am well aware but think it is interesting to note that Dirac recognizes the need to make manual delay adjustments and already have the functionality. I also think Emotiva could renegotiate their OEM deal with Dirac to include this on the sub channels or simply just add a manual distance/delay adjustment to the Dirac preset on the sub channels. We just don't know what Dirac will allow in their product when incorporated into hardware. MiniDSP has the same limitations. And what's available on the Dirac preset is up to Dirac, not Emotiva. Thinking they could renegotiate the deal is a bit presumptuous. |
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Post by theswede on Dec 4, 2017 9:56:48 GMT -5
Hardly presumptious, I negotiate oem software deals as part of my day job and this is a missing piece in the offering that is costing both Emotiva and Dirac in lost revenues so seems like an obvious win-win to me.
Btw, happy to help Emotiva with the negotiations beeing a Swede and close to the Dirac office.
Anyways and to potentially help others it seems I found a workaround that is acceptable for now. Since my subs sound good enough as is the only parameter I needed to get right was the distance. My subs have 4 large air ports that I suspect mess up the impulse response/time alignement so I closed those for the measurement and then excluded the Dirac adjustments from the operating range of the subs.
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