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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 4, 2014 13:32:44 GMT -5
I just got an XDA-2. I'm currently using either J River Jukebox or Nightingale. When I play 24/96 High Res files the XDA-2 reports 44.1KHz as the sampling rate. I have SRC turned off. Am I missing something? Am I doing something wrong? Do I need to upgrade to J River media center? Help!
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 5, 2014 14:28:34 GMT -5
Bump!
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Post by ludi on Nov 5, 2014 17:26:43 GMT -5
If you're running on Windows it is very likely everything is resampled, and I guess the default on Windows is CD quality. Whatever application you use, ultimately Windows resamples it. I changed my Window settings to 96/24, and that works great for me.
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Post by edrummereasye on Nov 5, 2014 17:39:43 GMT -5
If you're running on Windows it is very likely everything is resampled, and I guess the default on Windows is CD quality. Whatever application you use, ultimately Windows resamples it. I changed my Window settings to 96/24, and that works great for me. Yes...you have to check not only the setting in your playback application, but also check the Windows Control Panel...either "Sound", or your sound card might have it's own proprietary one (the ASUS Xonar cards do, and I'm sure all "high-end" cards; as well as many, many others). Depending on the card, the drivers, etc., it might end up that everything gets re-sampled, OR hopefully you can set your control panel to 192/24, and it will function as a limit...i.e., anything up to and including the sample-rate and bit-depth you select in the control panel will go through as the player sends it out. So if your player app is also set for "native" (or 192/24 and treats it as a 'limit'), then everything should be played back in its native resolution. Worst case it might get re-sampled to 192/24, but any half-decent implementation shouldn't re-sample if it doesn't have to; I don't think that's an issue with any of the proprietary control panels, not sure about if Windows 'Sound' Panel is in charge of everything... |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2014 17:54:55 GMT -5
You want to use your output device in jriver as WASAPI. That will make it bit perfect and change with whatever your doing.
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 5, 2014 19:03:38 GMT -5
You want to use your output device in jriver as WASAPI. That will make it bit perfect and change with whatever your doing. I'm currently using JRiver Jukebox. It doesn't give the WASAPI option. I don't want to upgrade to JRiver Media Center unless I have to. It has a lot of features (video etc.) that I don't need or want. In any case, I've followed the suggestions and my 192KHZ files are now playing at 192KHZ. Thank you to everyone who helped. Your help was highly appreciated. It's nice to see 192KHZ in the display of the XDA-2. Yeah!!!!! BTW: I'm using the USB connection. |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 5, 2014 20:50:44 GMT -5
You want to use your output device in jriver as WASAPI. That will make it bit perfect and change with whatever your doing. I'm currently using JRiver Jukebox. It doesn't give the WASAPI option. I don't want to upgrade to JRiver Media Center unless I have to. It has a lot of features (video etc.) that I don't need or want. In any case, I've followed the suggestions and my 192KHZ files are now playing at 192KHZ. Thank you to everyone who helped. Your help was highly appreciated. It's nice to see 192KHZ in the display of the XDA-2. Yeah!!!!! BTW: I'm using the USB connection. Are you using windows? If so, you should absolutely see WASAPI mode. You see it under Tools->options->audio->audio device wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Audio_SetupIt is the bit perfect mode of windows. Have you installed the USB drivers for XDA-2 from the emotiva website? |
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 6, 2014 18:34:22 GMT -5
The Jukebox (free) version doesn't seem to offer the WASAPI option. If I go to tools -> options -> audio -> there is only an option for Output Mode and Output Mode Settings. Neither of them show anything to do with WASAPI. Output Mode offers Direct Sound, Disk Writer and Wave Out. Output Mode settings offer only device selection. I have selected XDA-2 (USB2.0 High Speed True HD Audio). I changed the name in Windows to XDA-2. And, yes, I downloaded the latest drivers.
I can go into Windows sound control panel -> device -> properties and manually select sample and bit rates up to 32/192. However it stays with whatever I've chosen. The XDA-2 is not the problem. It's a Windows 8.1 software problem. I suppose I'll have to spring for the full version of the JRiver software. I'm reluctant to do this as I don't want or need it for anything but audio.
I've been informed that FOOBAR works with WASAPI. However, I really don't like FOOBAR's interface.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 6, 2014 18:37:58 GMT -5
joeesp9: Media monkey (free) also has a wasapi interface. But it can be a little iffy. BTW, have you installed the USB XDA=2 drivers from the emotiva website? You may have to tell it to allow unsigned drivers first as it won't install right otherwise.
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 6, 2014 18:49:06 GMT -5
As far as I can tell the drivers are correctly installed. By going into Windows I can manually select any sampling rate/bit depth up to 32/192. I just don't seem to have the WASAPI option with JRiver Jukebox. So, whatever I manually select is what the XDA-2 sees and reports via the display. Right now I have things set at 24/192. This is what the XDA-2 is showing. I guess that means my laptop is up sampling lower res/depth files to 24/192. I know that things are sounding pretty damn good! Woo hoo!!!  |
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Post by sonicextreme on Nov 9, 2014 18:05:15 GMT -5
Make sure the drivers are there. If they are i would try uninstalling and reinstalling Jriver. I have been using it since 17 and have never had a issue selecting wasapi. I even get that option on hdmi mode. You can also do zones. As I do 5.1 movies in wasapi for hdmi and 2ch music in ASIO mode spidf to a dac.
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 9, 2014 18:09:49 GMT -5
Which one are you using, Media Center or Jukebox?
I just checked the JRiver forum. WASAPI and ASIO are not available in Jukebox. I guess I'll have to open the wallet and upgrade. I've been reluctant to do this because I only want/need music playback.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 9, 2014 18:47:08 GMT -5
BTW it appears as USB 2 device fwiw.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 9, 2014 18:47:37 GMT -5
Which one are you using, Media Center or Jukebox? I just checked the JRiver forum. WASAPI and ASIO are not available in Jukebox. I guess I'll have to open the wallet and upgrade. I've been reluctant to do this because I only want/need music playback. Try media monkey. It's kind of close in look and free. |
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Post by joeesp9 on Nov 10, 2014 14:11:48 GMT -5
I'm a cheap SOB. So I've tried Foobar again. It has ASIO and WASAPI capability. I've been running it under WASAPI and it works perfectly. Currently I'm investigating alternate skins for Foobar. Some of them seem to be quite nice. They are certainly more attractive than the stock interface.
The only caveat is, they seem to come from the Unix/Linux crowd and consequently none of them have a Windows type install. It's not really a problem for me as I'm a retired IT Pro/EE. I have a dedicated Linux box running Ubuntu. I've just gotten lazy in my dotage.
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Post by garbulky on Nov 10, 2014 14:53:59 GMT -5
I use foobar exclusively. Though it doesn't have as much pretty interface, I find myself simply pressing the search button and typing in a title and playing it. So it works for me.
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Post by johnfalc on Dec 5, 2014 15:01:08 GMT -5
Foobar is a great app but I happen to love JRiver's ability to let me control my audio computers remotely from an Android device using Gizmo without using RDP (although I do use RDP from Android or iOS if I need to do more than select songs). This matters to me because I run most of my PCs here headless.
One thing you may like with the full JRiver MC is its recently added (in version 20) ability to intercept the Windows audio chain and "step in" as the sound driver. This lets all audio flow through JRiver, letting you use their full DSP implementation if you choose to do so for ALL Windows sound output. Once the new JRiver MC install completes a new sound driver is added to Windows and you just select that as the default driver from the Windows Control Panel then, within JRiver MC itself you use the Tools/Options/Audio/ choice to select from the various driver outputs that JRiver MC passes the stream onto; in my case that is to the drive titled "USB2.0 High-Speed True HD Audio [WASAPI]". This works great!
So ... if for any reason I'm using Foobar, the sound still passes through JRiver DSP for (in my case) speaker location correction.
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Post by wilogic on Dec 15, 2014 18:50:22 GMT -5
How does 24/192KHz sound quality compared to 44.1KHz, any major difference?
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Post by garbulky on Dec 15, 2014 20:44:37 GMT -5
The few I've heard have sounded pretty good. I haven't had enough experience with hi res to call it a major difference. Doesn't mean it's not there though.
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