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Post by Porscheguy on Nov 10, 2014 19:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Nov 10, 2014 19:24:44 GMT -5
£500 million ($800 million) is a whole lot of money to turn down.. a w-h-o-l-e ...l-o-t, even for Plant. I realize he's not starving but sometimes I wonder what makes him tick.
Why wasn't it "the right thing to do"? He didn't specify other than to say he wants to "move forward". Hope it wasn't his ego.
He's 66 and no amount of moving forward will bring him the fame that reuniting the band would. Ditto for the money (although clearly he doesn't care for that).
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Post by Porscheguy on Nov 10, 2014 19:44:08 GMT -5
£500 million ($800 million) is a whole lot of money to turn down.. a w-h-o-l-e ...l-o-t, even for Plant. I realize he's not starving but sometimes I wonder what makes him tick. Why wasn't it "the right thing to do"? He didn't specify other than to say he wants to "move forward". Hope it wasn't his ego. He's 66 and no amount of moving forward will bring him the fame that reuniting the band would. Ditto for the money (although clearly he doesn't care for that). He looks like he's 106.... Hard life  |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2014 9:42:01 GMT -5
This new story is false. "Rubbish" was the one word comment from Plant's camp.
We do know for a fact that in 2009 Gene Simmons was indeed given over $200 mill Lbs I believe to try to coax them back out for a tour and back then they all said nada.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2014 11:11:56 GMT -5
£500 million ($800 million) is a whole lot of money to turn down.. a w-h-o-l-e ...l-o-t, even for Plant. I realize he's not starving but sometimes I wonder what makes him tick. Why wasn't it "the right thing to do"? He didn't specify other than to say he wants to "move forward". Hope it wasn't his ego. He's 66 and no amount of moving forward will bring him the fame that reuniting the band would. Ditto for the money (although clearly he doesn't care for that). I find it interesting that there are a lot of people out there who just can't understand it's not always about the money. Not saying that's you at all, just saying there seems to be a lot of people like this. I can understand why people can think it's about the money, but to not be able to even comprehend how it could not be about the money is what gets me. The fact is, there are still some people in the entertainment world with integrity that are not about that. Robert Plant has been "not all about the money" his entire career really. I can't answer you about what and when Robert thinks it's the "right thing to do," but I can tell you he felt the tribute to Ahmet Ertegun (SP?) was the right thing to do back in 2007. Please don't forget that all the work put into that concert was 100% for charity. I have also heard that a chunk of the sales of Celebration Day go towards charity also, but those reports are unconfirmed. Robert Plant absolutely does not care about anything bringing him fame. In fact, I'd say if anything it's the opposite. He's not a huge fan of the limelight. He also is absolutely against becoming a run on joke, aka The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Simon & Garfunkel, people like Cher or Celine Dion, or for him, even The Eagles and even the Stones. He's not about doing an "old farts" greatest hits tour just to make money. He did that to a level all he could stand back in 1995 and 1998, over 200 shows worth (about 1/3 the amount of all Zep shows in just 2 tours). It bored him to tears so he quit. If you missed those tours then you are SOL. One thing people almost always fail to think about is just that maybe he doesn't feel he "can" do it. With the way he sings now, he doesn't have to stretch his voice to the utmost highs like people would expect him to do at a Zep show. It's a fact that he rested his voice for months prior to the O2, hardly singing any warm up practices. What we don't know is how his voice held up afterwards. I mean if he went hoarse for a week after that show, there's a big part of your reason why he's not into it. These guys are all "odd ducks" to one extent or another. Jimmy is just as weird as Robert, albeit in different ways. |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Nov 11, 2014 13:01:18 GMT -5
£500 million ($800 million) is a whole lot of money to turn down.. a w-h-o-l-e ...l-o-t, even for Plant. I realize he's not starving but sometimes I wonder what makes him tick. Why wasn't it "the right thing to do"? He didn't specify other than to say he wants to "move forward". Hope it wasn't his ego. He's 66 and no amount of moving forward will bring him the fame that reuniting the band would. Ditto for the money (although clearly he doesn't care for that). I find it interesting that there are a lot of people out there who just can't understand it's not always about the money. Not saying that's you at all, just saying there seems to be a lot of people like this. I can understand why people can think it's about the money, but to not be able to even comprehend how it could not be about the money is what gets me. The fact is, there are still some people in the entertainment world with integrity that are not about that. Robert Plant has been "not all about the money" his entire career really. I can't answer you about what and when Robert thinks it's the "right thing to do," but I can tell you he felt the tribute to Ahmet Ertegun (SP?) was the right thing to do back in 2007. Please don't forget that all the work put into that concert was 100% for charity. I have also heard that a chunk of the sales of Celebration Day go towards charity also, but those reports are unconfirmed. Robert Plant absolutely does not care about anything bringing him fame. In fact, I'd say if anything it's the opposite. He's not a huge fan of the limelight. He also is absolutely against becoming a run on joke, aka The Who, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Simon & Garfunkel, people like Cher or Celine Dion, or for him, even The Eagles and even the Stones. He's not about doing an "old farts" greatest hits tour just to make money. He did that to a level all he could stand back in 1995 and 1998, over 200 shows worth (about 1/3 the amount of all Zep shows in just 2 tours). It bored him to tears so he quit. If you missed those tours then you are SOL. One thing people almost always fail to think about is just that maybe he doesn't feel he "can" do it. With the way he sings now, he doesn't have to stretch his voice to the utmost highs like people would expect him to do at a Zep show. It's a fact that he rested his voice for months prior to the O2, hardly singing any warm up practices. What we don't know is how his voice held up afterwards. I mean if he went hoarse for a week after that show, there's a big part of your reason why he's not into it. These guys are all "odd ducks" to one extent or another. Jimmy is just as weird as Robert, albeit in different ways. Good post. I probably couldn't afford tickets anyway haha |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2014 16:43:10 GMT -5
www.imdb.com/title/tt2414166/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trvAccording to IMDbProceeds from ticket sales at the original Ahmet Ertegun Tribute Concert at London's O2 Arena in 2007, and the sale of DVD and Blu-Ray discs of the film are to benefit the Ahmet Ertegun Education Fund, a music scholarship charity for children to reach their highest creative potential.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 11, 2014 17:23:42 GMT -5
Not an easy discussion, in some ways in centres around whether or not an artist owes their audience anything. Does the band owe the people who spent $millions buying their music enough to keep on performing? Some people would validly argue that the audience owes the band, far more than the reverse. For all that enjoyment they handed out over the years. Tough call, either way. For me I'd just like an answer to the obvious question, why "isn't it the right thing"? Personally I don't go along with "the voice isn't up to it" excuse, Zep music wasn't ever really about a great leading voice it was the music for me. As for fatigue, comfortably spacing the concerts out works for many of the 70's performers. So I'm left with, what is "the right thing"?
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Post by hemster on Nov 11, 2014 17:24:48 GMT -5
Bonzo, Yes, it's true that we don't know his own rationale behind his decision (he hasn't disclosed it). We'll likely never know. I would've thought he could find no better way to do more for charity than accept the offer of reunion and donate his share of the monies raised. He didn't do that however. It could be because his voice hasn't held up (although I wouldn't back that hoarse!  ). It could be because of his ego (we all know most musicians have them, some bigger than others), not saying he does have a huge ego but he could have . Guess we'll never know. I happen to have a different opinion on bands reuniting. It gives fans more opportunities to appreciate them. That can't be a bad thing.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2014 18:10:32 GMT -5
Not an easy discussion, in some ways in centres around whether or not an artist owes their audience anything. Does the band owe the people who spent $millions buying their music enough to keep on performing? Some people would validly argue that the audience owes the band, far more than the reverse. For all that enjoyment they handed out over the years. Tough call, either way. For me I'd just like an answer to the obvious question, why "isn't it the right thing"? Personally I don't go along with "the voice isn't up to it" excuse, Zep music wasn't ever really about a great leading voice it was the music for me. As for fatigue, comfortably spacing the concerts out works for many of the 70's performers. So I'm left with, what is "the right thing"? Cheers Gary That entire "owe" thing is much like politics. In the U.S. we have Democrats and Republicans. Neither ever seems to get along. I for one come down firmly on the side that neither owes each other a thing. Fans don't owe the band, and the band certainly does not owe the fans. I don't even understand the logic. It's seems childish & absurd to me. The band didn't make anyone buy their records. Nor did the fans make the band play. Any enjoyment or compensation that comes out of either side is equal. One side does not owe the other more, therefore, there is nothing to be owed by either party. The only time the band owes the audience anything is if they sold tickets for a live show, then the band owes the patrons a show, or their money back. That's it. When the show is over, all is even again. I don't agree with anyone that thinks either party owes anything for anything else. I especially don't agree with fans that think they are owed. That's them being purely selfish, plain and simple. Led Zeppelin was about 4 great musicians making music. 25% of that is a great voice. If his voice can't meet up to the standards people expect, or more importantly, the way he wants it to be, then it's a fail on either side. Neither you or I or anyone else can answer the question about how Robert feels about his voice, and you and others that just brush aside Robert's opinion about the state of his own voice really shows a lack of personal respect. It's his voice, not anyone else's. Only Robert can answer what "the right thing" is for him. I can only tell you that after following him for years now he doesn't think of quality music like a commodity to be sold. (That's what he calls "bubble gum pop crap." Derek Trucks refers to it as "fluff"). He thinks of it more like a living breathing thing, something that must have a life and room to grow. To him, painting the same painting over and over and over again just because someone liked the original painting doesn't make sense. It cheapens it. It makes it less special. Once thrill of making or adjusting or remaking the painting for himself the way he wants it is over, it's enough. He's not a line cook, or a recipe cook, he's a chef. He creates. He works in his restaurant until he gets it the way he likes, then he moves to a new town. There is more excitement in the chase than the final destination. Stay too long in one place and stagnation sets in. Bottom line, he's an artist in the real sense of the term. Real artists do it for the love of the craft, of what they can make with their own talents and their own body. People who aren't artists don't usually comprehend that very well. Robert Plant finds many of those 70's performers you mention to be a total joke. Not all, but many. I understand exactly what he means. But that's an entirely different conversation I'm not going to go down right now. Gotta run. Cheers. |
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 11, 2014 18:22:00 GMT -5
Bonzo, Yes, it's true that we don't know his own rationale behind his decision (he hasn't disclosed it). We'll likely never know. I would've thought he could find no better way to do more for charity than accept the offer of reunion and donate his share of the monies raised. He didn't do that however. It could be because his voice hasn't held up (although I wouldn't back that hoarse! ). It could be because of his ego (we all know most musicians have them, some bigger than others), not saying he does have a huge ego but he could have . Guess we'll never know. I happen to have a different opinion on bands reuniting. It gives fans more opportunities to appreciate them. That can't be a bad thing. Please read my post above which also address's a few things you say here. No sense it saying it all twice.  Robert Plant has an ego the size of a house. It's big. No beating around the bush there. And I'm sure that's absolutely part of it, but it is only a part. He's quite a complex person on many levels. Yep we probably mostly disagree. There are some bands that reunite for the "right reasons," but for me, it's mostly exactly the opposite. Most bands that reunite do it for their own money, not for their fans. Many of them that say otherwise are full of crap in my opinion. But again, that's a long long topic that will do nothing but start fires. Money can certainly be a "right reason" for some, but I'm not going to go there either. Not important enough to discuss. Cheers. |
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Post by hemster on Nov 11, 2014 18:36:54 GMT -5
^I think we're saying the same thing. Plant didn't do it for the money - we know he doesn't need it. He didn't do it for the fans either. Let's face it, his decision was largely to do with his ego. It is what it is.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 11, 2014 19:42:33 GMT -5
Hi Bonzo, the "original painting" analogy is interesting, that would indicate no interest in the media (CD's, vinyl, download etc) that the only way to listen to music is live, such that it's different each time, "room to grow". Don't get the DSoM SACD out and listen to it again. Go to a concert instead. Except there's no concerts. It's oxymoronic logic to me. Perhaps the issue is he likes the act of painting, but doesn't want/need anyone to see/hear it.
I have and buy Zep music for the music, of which about 10% is the singing and 90% the instrumentation, quality back up singers can cover that relatively easily. Personally I'd be happy, very happy to go to a Zep concert and have zero singing.
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Gary
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Post by pedrocols on Nov 11, 2014 20:59:32 GMT -5
I think they should give me some of that money...
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 12, 2014 10:29:45 GMT -5
Hi Bonzo, the "original painting" analogy is interesting, that would indicate no interest in the media (CD's, vinyl, download etc) that the only way to listen to music is live, such that it's different each time, "room to grow". Don't get the DSoM SACD out and listen to it again. Go to a concert instead. Except there's no concerts. It's oxymoronic logic to me. Perhaps the issue is he likes the act of painting, but doesn't want/need anyone to see/hear it. Ah, no. I think you totally misunderstand what I'm trying to say. It would be more like that originally Robert enjoyed painting with oils. He did that for years and made many a painting of all different subjects. It's what everyone got used to and he became known for. But he got tired of it and started painting water color. People enjoyed his water colors but still yelled for oils. Then he moved on to acrylics and again people still wanted oils. He even painted old subjects with acrylics to try and appease people. But oils oils oils is all anyone wanted. But he was done doing oils. In the mid 90's he went back to painting with his old friend, but this time they used Indian dyes and pigments to repaint his original oils. It was fun for a stint but after 3 years and thousands of paintings he got bored making those too. And so on. The basic idea is that he's done with oils. His heart and soul is not into making oils. There would be no meaning or feeling in the paintings. There wouldn't be any integrity to the paintings, they would just be blobs of color on a canvas. So the public wants oils. Tough. Who cares. If they want oils, they have the originals and the prints. Then in 2006 one of his best friends and acquaintances died. Someone he cared about and admired deeply. That person's only dying wish was that Robert paint with oils again. So for that wish, for a dear friend, he did it. For that friend it had meaning to it. For that friend it was the right thing to do. Seems totally logical to me. Well that's you. There are plenty of other people out there that think the exact opposite, that Robert Plant's voice is the key. Even Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones would totally disagree with you. Jimmy was the leader of the band, but as far as the actual music went, it was divided 4 ways equally. Robert's voice was one of the instruments in the band, and without it there is no LZ. About saying back up singers can easily cover Robert, that's just silly in my book. You must not either care (which I think is what you are saying) or hear the nuances that make up the way he sounds. There are plenty of musicians that can imitate the rest of the band's playing exactly. I've heard many do a fantastic job. There are lots of Jimmy Page imitators. But I have never heard anyone able to imitate or replace Plant correctly. It's always the downfall of every cover band I've ever seen. The human voice and the feelings behind it are not easily imitated. Musical instrumentation is much easier to replicate in comparison. |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 12, 2014 10:50:10 GMT -5
In an interview I read with Jimmy Page he says there will be no further Led Zep reunion tours because he's "been there done that." He said there is nothing more boring than playing your greatest hits over and over again.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 12, 2014 13:58:24 GMT -5
And here you have it, as I said, the story was "rubbish." www.virgin.com/richard-branson/dazed-and-confused-by-led-zeppelin-rumours_______________ 12 November 2014 By Richard Branson I’ve been left dazed and confused by a story doing the rounds this week about us apparently offering Led Zeppelin £500 million to reform and carry out a tour. As much as I love the band, there is absolutely no truth to the story. There were even claims that Virgin Atlantic was about to rename one of our planes and include a stairway to heaven in honour of the band. However nice an idea, this is also completely untrue. After a week of seeing worryingly inaccurate reports in various publications regarding Virgin, it was sad but not particularly surprising to see yet another fabricated story. I spoke to Robert Plant about the story, which he also confirmed is complete rubbish from his side too. Robert told me he is very proud of his history and the band’s past, and has always had great respect and love for his work throughout his career. However, he really believes he must move on with his life and career today. Making up this story is very disrespectful to how wonderful his solo career with the Sensational Space Shifters is going. He is setting out on a sold out tour today and they released a brilliant album last year. Fellow band members Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones also have many exciting projects in the works and should be respected in their own right. I’m proud of how so many artists from my generation, whether it is Led Zeppelin, Mike Oldfield or Peter Gabriel, are still being so creative and inventive. They have all moved on into exciting new phases, while still celebrating their incredible pasts. As Robert told me: “Look Richard, I just do things because I love them and I want to do more new things that I love.” I couldn’t agree more. |
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 17, 2015 12:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 12:41:42 GMT -5
As an aside, Plant is playing at Bonnaroo this June. I absolutely can't wait! There have been rumors that Page unexpectedly shows up at Plant's concerts sometimes... jumps up on stage and jams on a few tunes. Man, I hope so. That would be a dream come true for me. (Last time I went to Bonnaroo I saw Paul McCartney, Tom Petty, ZZ Top, Billy Idol, Dwight Yokam, etc., etc., Bonnaroo is about hour from Emo's HQ. It's in Manchester, TN and it is camping and music for four days. It's a mega event, and one of the best music festivals in the US right now.) For all you Zep fans, here's a chance to see Robert Plant anyway.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 17, 2015 12:58:10 GMT -5
As an aside, Plant is playing at Bonnaroo this June. I absolutely can't wait! There have been rumors that Page unexpectedly shows up at Plant's concerts sometimes... jumps up on stage and jams on a few tunes. Man, I hope so. That would be a dream come true for me. (Last time I went to Bonnaroo I saw Paul McCartney, Tom Petty, ZZ Top, Billy Idol, Dwight Yokam, etc., etc., Bonnaroo is about hour from Emo's HQ. It's in Manchester, TN and it is camping and music for four days. It's a mega event, and one of the best music festivals in the US right now.) For all you Zep fans, here's a chance to see Robert Plant anyway. Here's his 2015 tour so far. All friggin' festivals in the USA. Festivals are fine, but that's all he seems to play anymore and it gets annoying. But enjoy yourself none the less. Should be a great show. I wouldn't get your hopes up about the Jimmy thing. Last time it happened for sure that I recall was back at Knebworth 1990. They have played a few times together since disbanding in 1998, but they were more planned one off gigs to my knowledge. In today's day and age I think a rumor like that would most likely be easily substantiated. March 13 VIVE LATINO Mexico 14 & 15 Lollapalooza Chile Chile 16 Caupolican Chile 19 ASUNCIÓNICO Paraguay 21 & 22 Lollapalooza Argentina Argentina 24 Citibank Hall Brazil 26 Chevrolet Hall Brazil 28 & 29 Lollapalooza Brazil Brazil MAY 29 BottleRock USA JUNE 4-7 Mountain Jam USA 14 Bonnaroo USA JULY 10 Forest Live UK 11 Forest Live UK 14 Grona Lund Tivoli Sweden 16 Moldejazz Festival Norway 18 Pori Jazz Festival Finland 19 Positivus Festival Latvia 21 Charlotta Valley Amphitheatre Poland 23 Hala Rondo Czech Republic SEPTEMBER 10-13 Lockn Festival USA |
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). It could be because of his ego (we all know most musicians have them, some bigger than others), not saying he does have a huge ego but he could have. Guess we'll never know. 
