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Post by Priapulus on Jan 8, 2015 8:58:25 GMT -5
Turn it on, normal playing loudness, without any media playing. If you hear anything: hum, hiss, buzz, there's a problem. There is no excuse for background noise in a modern system. The problem could be bad design, defective hardware, poor installation, bad interconnects, ground loops, bad power wiring, etc.
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Post by bootman on Jan 8, 2015 9:13:37 GMT -5
From what distance? Normal listing distance (~10 ft or more), absolutely. Ear one inch from a horn, might be a little hiss......  |
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Post by cgolf on Jan 8, 2015 9:42:03 GMT -5
Turn it on, normal playing loudness, without any media playing. If you hear anything: hum, hiss, buzz, there's a problem. There is no excuse for background noise in a modern system. The problem could be bad design, defective hardware, poor installation, bad interconnects, ground loops, bad power wiring, etc.
What are your red flags? Sincerely /b Yes, but loose or defective interconnects, ground loops, bad power wiring, etc. is very different than poor design, cheap components, defective hardware, etc. Two separate catagories. One can be a "bad" system while the other is "bad" installation.  |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 8, 2015 9:50:18 GMT -5
The power button is lit and there's no sound!!! Bad! Bad! System!!!  |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 10:16:16 GMT -5
A bad system, for me, is one where I can't tell what color lipstick the singer's wearing.....
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Post by vneal on Jan 8, 2015 10:24:05 GMT -5
The highs, separation and imaging are what make a good system to me
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Post by linvincible on Jan 8, 2015 10:37:22 GMT -5
As I understand it a bad system is where flaws would be universal.
Things that are not subject to taste or preferences.
There are a lot of systems I won't like out there, that someone else will like!
So a bad system is one with defects that will disrupt the listening experience (or safety) of the operator!
Any audible sound not coming from the original record qualifies, as well as cruel dis-balance caused by various sources of peaks and their opposites. Room modes, bad post processing, inadequate combinations...
Now what is a good system... something else entirely!
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Post by Dark Ranger on Jan 8, 2015 17:13:33 GMT -5
This one's easy. There are several ways to identify a bad system: #1 - A bad system includes components not fully endorsed by 6moons (or was it Stereophile? I keep forgetting the difference between the two). #2 - When comparing two different systems, the bad system is always the less expensive of the two (e.g. a $100K system is worse than a $101K system). #3 - If all else fails, a bad system is the one owned by some Kool-Aid drinking fanboi on the Emotiva Lounge, because you are a member of the esteemed [redacted]. Next? Disclaimer: the above is tongue in cheek. |
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Post by hemster on Jan 8, 2015 17:35:40 GMT -5
Bad is the new good!  |
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Post by mfeust on Jan 8, 2015 17:48:00 GMT -5
To me a bad system is one that I do not like it's sight and SOUND.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:50:23 GMT -5
A bad system, for me, is one where I can't tell what color lipstick the singer's wearing..... I prefer listening to guys who don't wear lipstick ..... just a personal preference. |
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Post by audiobill on Jan 8, 2015 18:57:08 GMT -5
Women wear lipstick too? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:02:44 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I see your point. I just got done listening to Tony Bennett and I thought he might not look or sound so good wearing lipstick.  |
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Post by thepcguy on Jan 8, 2015 19:27:07 GMT -5
It's all about...
NO TREBLE!
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Post by Axis on Jan 8, 2015 19:39:20 GMT -5
I think this guy has lipstick on but it don't seem affect me system. I think I will give this guy a pass on the lipstick. |
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Post by vcautokid on Jan 8, 2015 19:44:12 GMT -5
Turn it on, normal playing loudness, without any media playing. If you hear anything: hum, hiss, buzz, there's a problem. There is no excuse for background noise in a modern system. The problem could be bad design, defective hardware, poor installation, bad interconnects, ground loops, bad power wiring, etc.
What are your red flags? Sincerely /b Yes, but loose or defective interconnects, ground loops, bad power wiring, etc. is very different than poor design, cheap components, defective hardware, etc. Two separate catagories. One can be a "bad" system while the other is "bad" installation. Right on here. And guess what it doesn't have to he modern to have hiss, buzz, hum, etc. Those have been, and will always be around if poor install products, or practices are used. |
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Post by hemster on Jan 8, 2015 19:52:00 GMT -5
I think this guy has lipstick on but it don't seem affect me system. I think I will give this guy a pass on the lipstick. ^Him, maybe. This one below? Hmm... |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 8, 2015 20:15:40 GMT -5
How to tell a bad system? Well I think you just sit it down and have a frank discussion, often it's better to simply tell the truth. "I'm sorry, but you're just a bad system" Insert distracting picture here .................  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 20:16:22 GMT -5
I think this guy has lipstick on but it don't seem affect me system. I think I will give this guy a pass on the lipstick. Ground Control to Major Tom, that is the first girl I've ever seen with the name David! |
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Post by Axis on Jan 8, 2015 20:54:47 GMT -5
I think this guy has lipstick on but it don't seem affect me system. I think I will give this guy a pass on the lipstick. Ground Control to Major Tom, that is the first girl I've ever seen with the name David! I hear he goes by the name Ziggy Stardust sometimes.   |
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