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Post by bootman on Feb 26, 2015 18:02:47 GMT -5
Looking forward to the HDMI upgrade and 4K in a couple years if it is an improvement worth the money. Whether it is an improvement and worth the money or not, it's coming and you won't be able to play 4K Ultra HD content without HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I too question this, as HDMI/HDCP has been so user friendly, not!!!  Those 4k players with dual HDMI out will say otherwise.  |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 26, 2015 18:03:04 GMT -5
The information REW uses is basically a set of settings for a standard parametric equalizer (you could type them manually into any parametric EQ with enough bands). The update makes this process a lot easier by allowing you to save all the settings as a set of files, and then read them all into the XMC-1 in one go. (Which eliminates a lot of typing, and a lot of opportunities to make typos.) You can also save the current PEQ settings from the XMC-1 as files, and you can read and edit the files directly (if you speak XML). Dirac's correction filters are entirely different; you could think of them as "custom prefabricated filter modules" rather than simply as settings you can punch into a standard parametric EQ. They are handled entirely differently by the XMC-1 (Speaker Preset 1 and Speaker Preset 2 use and store PEQ settings; the Dirac Speaker Preset uses Dirac Live Correction Filters, which are handled by the Dirac engine in the XMC-1). They aren't interchangeable; Dirac cannot read REW PEQ configurations; and REW can't read or modify Dirac Live Correction Filters. (They go into two entirely different kinds of preset slots.) So if there is still only one Dirac preset, would it be possible to save the Dirac profile to REW and then upload that to one of the other presets and then Run a second Dirac to leave on the Dirac preset? Or is Dirac just way more complicated than the other presets can handle? Cheers Mark So we still need a second Dirac storage on the XMC in order to use two different Dirac filters. Is there any talk of this ever happening? I set up Dirac with the room (door and windows) closed and the AC on and it is amazing. But many times we either want fresh air or can't afford to run AC all the time and when we open it up it isn't even close to what it was. This is a testament to how well Dirac as adapted my system to the closed room and how badly I need to be able to have it correct the open room as well. If it is not going to happen I have to figure something out and am looking at serious compromises. It is hard to go from awesome to not good multiple times a week. Cheers Mark |
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Post by SticknStones on Feb 26, 2015 18:11:07 GMT -5
So I have been so happy with my full unit now that I have hardly ventured from my number one hangout "Currently Playing". Glad to see all the goodness happening! |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 26, 2015 18:49:03 GMT -5
So we know the "reference" level processor is going to be called the XMR-1. But what is the UMC-200 replacement going to called?
This is what interests me, as long as it's under $A1000 (after 25% Discount and EClub) to avoid Customs Fees and GST (no Duty as it's made in the USA hence the free trade agreement kicks in). I'm over paying $2K+ for AVR/processors every 2 or 3 years, under $1K I can live with.
Common Dan, you dropped the OLED details, how about a name? What are you going to call what will undoubtedly be the biggest selling processor in your range?
Cheers
Gary
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 26, 2015 20:36:40 GMT -5
Big Dan, please don't forget the 2-ch people here. An XSP-1 + DC-1 DAC + DIRAC all in one would be a killer for us. Amen...but hey I'm using the xmc-1 in basically that mode now...don't put amps in it tho please or if you do make 2 versions one amped and one not. I'm not 100% sure on the xmr yet but my discount card is hanging out for something and that could just be it if it's coming out this year. I doubt I'll use atmos or more than7.1 but I think I'll just have to get one. |
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Post by itphoenix on Feb 26, 2015 21:33:19 GMT -5
I am very happy with my XMC-1. Also very excited about "Made in Franklin, TN USA"!
I do have a question though. If the current HDMI board firmware upgraded to 4K/60hz, what is the purpose of the new board? Does it have to do with HDCP?
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Post by brutiarti on Feb 26, 2015 21:41:24 GMT -5
Agree with wizardofoz, preamp/dac (with dirac) only. I was thinking getting the XMC-1 but it has too many features for only 2-ch, and also i will like to have the twin dac from the DC-1 instead. Price between $1200 and $1500 . Thinking on getting the P5(Weak DAC),Audio GD (Overseas support can be problematic) or Cambridge Audio 851C (A little pricey and no PHONO) Big Dan, please don't forget the 2-ch people here. An XSP-1 + DC-1 DAC + DIRAC all in one would be a killer for us. Amen...but hey I'm using the xmc-1 in basically that mode now...don't put amps in it tho please or if you do make 2 versions one amped and one not. I'm not 100% sure on the xmr yet but my discount card is hanging out for something and that could just be it if it's coming out this year. I doubt I'll use atmos or more than7.1 but I think I'll just have to get one. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Feb 26, 2015 22:35:32 GMT -5
The name of the new line of electronics will remain a secret for just little while longer... We're still getting Trademarks wrapped up.
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Post by knucklehead on Feb 26, 2015 22:53:42 GMT -5
This should be an interesting year. Thanks for the heads-up Dan.
Can't wait to see what the new speaker line will look like.
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Post by pmd918 on Feb 27, 2015 0:23:40 GMT -5
I apologize in advance for not knowing the details, and perhaps misunderstanding.
I had read in a thread somewhere that the current implementation of Dirac LE doesn't handle two subs correctly. Has the updated version solved this issue?
Very excited about the progress. Ordered my XMC-1 today!
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Post by bolle on Feb 27, 2015 0:31:28 GMT -5
I hope the small one is under $1000 before "Upgrade for life" or anything. Otherwise it would be a big Price increase to the UMC-200. Regarding the Name, something like the old Soundstream amps? "Emotiva Lil' Wonder"? |
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Post by djoel on Feb 27, 2015 0:35:01 GMT -5
So do we know for sure the 40% Card will apply for the new Processor?
Djoel
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Post by Lsc on Feb 27, 2015 1:07:33 GMT -5
What a turn of events today was. Certainly a roller coaster ride
I went from being happy to see the firmware upgrade and other things coming in March as well as the HDMI 2.0 coming soon. I was expecting next to hear about a plan to add Atmos to the XMC-1 by perhaps separating the balanced and unbalanced outputs to give us 14.4 channels but instead got news about the XMR-1 with all the stuff I was hoping and expecting Emotiva to add on the XMC-1...,Dirac Unison, Atmos, DTS-x, etc.
This plan while exciting for some who can afford and have been waiting for news of the XMR-1 ($3k-5k depending), it seems to imply the XMC-1 will not get Atmos and will not get Dirac Unison and possibly be obsolete well short of the advertised product life.
If so, the history of the mid-priced pre pro continues with promise of upgrades that never materialize.
I can't say I'm thrilled to see such a bleak future of a prepro I just bought 2 months ago. I may be jumping the gun but I haven't heard anything to contradict my points.
It still doesn't change the sound quality of the XMC-1 which is great but the soldier looks to be ready to blow his trumpet at the funeral.
Very annoying to say the least....
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2015 1:15:48 GMT -5
The name of the new line of electronics will remain a secret for just little while longer... We're still getting Trademarks wrapped up. Perhaps the reason why it's not an RMC-1, maybe someone already had it registered. Hence XMR-1  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2015 1:27:30 GMT -5
What a turn of events today was. Certainly a roller coaster ride I went from being happy to see the firmware upgrade and other things coming in March as well as the HDMI 2.0 coming soon. I was expecting next to hear about a plan to add Atmos to the XMC-1 by perhaps separating the balanced and unbalanced outputs to give us 14.4 channels but instead got news about the XMR-1 with all the stuff I was hoping and expecting Emotiva to add on the XMC-1...,Dirac Unison, Atmos, DTS-x, etc. This plan while exciting for some who can afford and have been waiting for news of the XMR-1 ($3k-5k depending), it seems to imply the XMC-1 will not get Atmos and will not get Dirac Unison and possibly be obsolete well short of the advertised product life. If so, the history of the mid-priced pre pro continues with promise of upgrades that never materialize. I can't say I'm thrilled to see such a bleak future of a prepro I just bought 2 months ago. I may be jumping the gun but I haven't heard anything otherwise. It still doesn't change the sound quality of the XMC-1 which is great but the soldier looks to be ready to blow his trumpet at the funeral. Very annoying to say the least.... Some realism perhaps. I think its unrealistic to expect a company to engineer infinite unknown future upgrades into a product. Known upgrades are a different prospect, 4K, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 were known to be coming at the time of the design sign off. Hence the upgrades for them as promised. Furthermore, I see the XMC-1 as a 2 dimensional processor and as such I wouldn't expect it to be upgradable to 3 dimensional sound. Plus of course the Atmos, Auro, DTS UHD etc standards were hardly known at the time of its engineering sign off. Most are not even know right now. Bit hard to engineer upgrades into a product when you don't even know what you are engineering it for. Personally that's why I will be sticking to the UMC-1, UMC-200 etc range and avoiding forking out $thousands every 2 to 3 years. Been there, done that, for the last 15 years, not falling into that trap again. For $200 to $300 per year I can live with the frequent upgrades, staying current generation and not falling behind due to excessive investment that has to be written off. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 27, 2015 1:43:11 GMT -5
What a turn of events today was. Certainly a roller coaster ride I went from being happy to see the firmware upgrade and other things coming in March as well as the HDMI 2.0 coming soon. I was expecting next to hear about a plan to add Atmos to the XMC-1 by perhaps separating the balanced and unbalanced outputs to give us 14.4 channels but instead got news about the XMR-1 with all the stuff I was hoping and expecting Emotiva to add on the XMC-1...,Dirac Unison, Atmos, DTS-x, etc. This plan while exciting for some who can afford and have been waiting for news of the XMR-1 ($3k-5k depending), it seems to imply the XMC-1 will not get Atmos and will not get Dirac Unison and possibly be obsolete well short of the advertised product life. If so, the history of the mid-priced pre pro continues with promise of upgrades that never materialize. I can't say I'm thrilled to see such a bleak future of a prepro I just bought 2 months ago. I may be jumping the gun but I haven't heard anything to contradict my points. It still doesn't change the sound quality of the XMC-1 which is great but the soldier looks to be ready to blow his trumpet at the funeral. Very annoying to say the least.... Sorry, but I just can't imagine trying to turn a 7.2 pre-pro into a 14.4 pre-pro. That just seems like asking for way more than it was designed to do. For me, future proofing means being able to upgrade to the latest codecs and updating HDMI, like what is coming soon. These are things that keep my 7.2 pre-pro capable of handling newer 7.2 content. Doubling it's output hardware is a totally different situation. I for one am thrilled that they are working on what they are. I would never expect a completely different product though. Cheers Mark |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 27, 2015 2:13:26 GMT -5
Some realism perhaps. I think its unrealistic to expect a company to engineer infinite unknown future upgrades into a product. Known upgrades are a different prospect, 4K, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 were known to be coming at the time of the design sign off. Hence the upgrades for them as promised. Furthermore, I see the XMC-1 as a 2 dimensional processor and as such I wouldn't expect it to be upgradable to 3 dimensional sound. Plus of course the Atmos, Auro, DTS UHD etc standards were hardly known at the time of its engineering sign off. Most are not even know right now. Bit hard to engineer upgrades into a product when you don't even know what you are engineering it for. Personally that's why I will be sticking to the UMC-1, UMC-200 etc range and avoiding forking out $thousands every 2 to 3 years. Been there, done that, for the last 15 years, not falling into that trap again. For $200 to $300 per year I can live with the frequent upgrades, staying current generation and not falling behind due to excessive investment that has to be written off. Cheers Gary I never said infinite. Just the 10-15 years that was advertised...perhaps you didn't see the impressive video. And its easy to make comments when you have no eggs in the basket but if the shoe was on the other foot and you just had the XMC-1 shipped over international waters 2 months ago...would you feel the same way? Also, I believe Dolby Atmos was announced before the release of the XMC-1 and they were fully aware of the requirements when they shot that upgradability video. And if I recall the comparisons to $20k pre pros were originally made with the XMC-1 (compare to processors 10X it's cost). I could have just bought the Marantz 7702 with Atmos but I trusted Emotiva and Big Dan and went ahead with the XMC-1 order. The sound quality of two channel as well as 7.1 as I have said repeatedly, it's fantastic so I'm not disappointed in any shape or form on the performance of the current product. To just maintain some levity here, I won't be jumping off a building because of this, just said it was annoying. And if you still don't understand, please go back and watch the video. From the 2:50min mark on please...it's an investment..I'm one of those guy Big Dan is referring. Here is the link m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNeKmHKJdl8 |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 27, 2015 2:31:34 GMT -5
]Sorry, but I just can't imagine trying to turn a 7.2 pre-pro into a 14.4 pre-pro. That just seems like asking for way more than it was designed to do. For me, future proofing means being able to upgrade to the latest codecs and updating HDMI, like what is coming soon. These are things that keep my 7.2 pre-pro capable of handling newer 7.2 content. Doubling it's output hardware is a totally different situation. I for one am thrilled that they are working on what they are. I would never expect a completely different product though. Cheers Mark I thought Dolby Atmos was a codec. I'm not asking for a processor to turn into an amplifier. I'm asking for the processor to stay a relevant processor for years to come. What newer 7.2 format do you foresee coming? Can Dolby or DTS improve on lossless? It'll be a miracle if you ask me that they make something more lossless than lossless. I'm sure you already know that 4k is a video format. I just want to ensure further development and "investment" in the XMC-1 by Emotiva..as advertised. They certainly are doing just that with firmware 3.0 and delivering on Dirac full version and HDMI 2.0 (that I won't need for a while and they have said as much - which I appreciate). Just want them to continue but I have heard nothing about Atmos and XMC-1. As a fellow XMC-1 owner you gotta be with me bro, not against me. All I know is, If I have to spring for the XMR-1, it won't be with my current wife...and yes, it's gotten to that point. . I'm still bitter that she shot down my efforts to get the JL F113 as my 2nd sub so if I sound a little chapped that's where it started. I apologize in advance and behind. |
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2015 6:04:56 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would still think that Atmos will make it to the XMC-1. One of the key points of it - is that its object based - not channel.
There is no reason why a 5.1 or 7.2 processor couldn't decode Atmos.
Just because you can use dozens of channels with Atmos - doesn't mean you need to have the outputs for it.
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Post by klinemj on Feb 27, 2015 6:36:32 GMT -5
Lsc I don't think the presence of the XMR (which most have been assuming would be the RMC) means the XMC will be obsolete. Emotiva has talked about a higher and lower line version based on the XMC's TI platform almost since they announced the platform. They are just fulfilling that promise...just as they are doing with offering the upgrade HDMI board for the XMC. And while the XMC is modular and therefore upgradable, there will be a limit to what upgrades can be done. You really like your XMC...just go enjoy it and see what upgrades do come. Mark
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