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Feb 26, 2015 20:20:28 GMT -5
Post by wizardofoz on Feb 26, 2015 20:20:28 GMT -5
Ok as excited I am about this...I have to ask a negative question When the xmc1 was announced this time last year it was touted as the only preamp you'll need for 10-15 years. Yet they are dealing this one with atmos dtsx etx. I thought the xmc was to be modular and future proofed? Oh well Just wondering. Hahaha the xmc-1 was designed before Dolby b/c so it missed the boat on DTS-X etc The only thing that is constant is change. |
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Post by wizardofoz on Feb 26, 2015 20:25:04 GMT -5
So the big question is if you can combine three channels for one speaker (bass, mid, tweeter). Then 16 channels would allow me to tri-amp my front, center and surround speakers removing the passive filters in my speakers and make them fully active. I still would have 1 channel available for my sub-woofer. I think I'm starting to build 10 more Hypex NCore400 amplifiers. When I would use one SMPS600 for two NCore400, that should be enough for mid and tweeter, it would cost me around €1200 per speaker (including cabling). So €6000 for 5 speakers. And then €4000 (25% discount and $ = € after arrival at home) for the XMR-1. So €10.000 in total. Now I need to convince my wife that this is a cheaper solution than upgrading the HDMI board in my XMC-1. Haha You would be better off with lx521’s designed properly for 3 way actives...unless you are very familiar active crossover requirements as im not sure that the xmr would accommodate all the folders, delays and manipulation that would be needed to specifically tune for active use. Read SL's stuff at www.linkwitzlab.com for more on active discussion. |
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XMR-1
Feb 26, 2015 20:40:51 GMT -5
Post by sonicseeker on Feb 26, 2015 20:40:51 GMT -5
Let me clear up a couple of things... The XMR will be our top of the line unit for the moment. We have changed the line strategy a bit. The anticipated MSRP of the XMR-1 will be right at $5k. Remember, it's closet competitor is $20k. This is a very expensive product from a BOM and development standpoint. At $5k it's a bargain. The new 7.1 processor is the backbone of a new line of affordable products that will replace Ultra Series. BTW, it's 1RU tall and all of the new amplifiers are 1RU too!! This is going to be a great new line. We've re-thought pretty much everything. All made in Franklin TN USA! See, we've been busy!! Thank god this is so much more than my XMC-1, now I don't feel bad. I have no need for atmos ect. but if I did I am sure I would be in line also. Love my new XMC-1, XPR5 COMBO. |
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XMR-1
Feb 26, 2015 21:15:50 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Feb 26, 2015 21:15:50 GMT -5
XMR-1,,,,,,,,,, the real thread!!!,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,,
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 27, 2015 8:25:13 GMT -5
Ok as excited I am about this...I have to ask a negative question When the xmc1 was announced this time last year it was touted as the only preamp you'll need for 10-15 years. Yet they are dealing this one with atmos dtsx etx. I thought the xmc was to be modular and future proofed? Oh well Just wondering. I don't need (or even want) Atmos or DTS-X. If you need those, then the XMC never was your processor. I'm with Geebo on this one. I have no use for Atmos as I have no desire to try and cut holes in my ceiling and attempt to run wires to those additional speakers. I don't want to go the band-aid route of adding or buying speakers that shoot sound towards the ceiling. Don't get me wrong, I think Atmos is cool, but not going to happen in my current house. Even if it was possible for Emotiva to add Atmos to the XMC-1, I would not use it. |
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XMR-1
Feb 27, 2015 9:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by vcautokid on Feb 27, 2015 9:05:03 GMT -5
There is going to be allot going on with multi channel in the next few years. We are at the threshold of some of those things. For many of us, Now it is about a great foundation on multi channel audio/video. It is great to get started now, and we are almost best. Can I even say "almost best"? But as one great singer sang. "The best Is yet to come". I love this hobby. Can't wait to hear the XMR-1 when the time comes. To XMC-1, a great processor for everyone now.
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XMR-1
Feb 27, 2015 10:03:50 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Feb 27, 2015 10:03:50 GMT -5
It definitely needs a XPR faceplate!!!
Some way some how,,,,,,,
Any takers?? 8)
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XMR-1
Feb 27, 2015 13:06:33 GMT -5
Post by hifiaudio2 on Feb 27, 2015 13:06:33 GMT -5
I don't need (or even want) Atmos or DTS-X. If you need those, then the XMC never was your processor. I'm with Geebo on this one. I have no use for Atmos as I have no desire to try and cut holes in my ceiling and attempt to run wires to those additional speakers. I don't want to go the band-aid route of adding or buying speakers that shoot sound towards the ceiling. Don't get me wrong, I think Atmos is cool, but not going to happen in my current house. Even if it was possible for Emotiva to add Atmos to the XMC-1, I would not use it. Actually you would use it, because Atmos is as much about object based decoding as it is extra "new " channels. An Atmos capable processor can steer an object encoded sound to a "point in space" in your room based on the encoding and what the processor knows about your speaker setup from the initial setup done with the mic. It would steer that sound to an appropriate point, not just a speaker channel. So Atmos can benefit those of you who have no intention of adding new speakers. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 27, 2015 14:51:42 GMT -5
Actually you would use it, because Atmos is as much about object based decoding as it is extra "new " channels. An Atmos capable processor can steer an object encoded sound to a "point in space" in your room based on the encoding and what the processor knows about your speaker setup from the initial setup done with the mic. It would steer that sound to an appropriate point, not just a speaker channel. So Atmos can benefit those of you who have no intention of adding new speakers. I disagree, Atmos is mostly about object based encoding, its primary focus is sound engineers/mixers and making their job easier, more effective and more efficient i.e.; faster, saving time and hence money in the mixing. The very minor portion of Atmos is the decoding, turning the objects that the engineer/mixer determined into channels. The undeniable fact is once past the processing it's all about channels from then on, the pre amp is channels based, the power amps are channel based, so are the speakers. Obviously the sound engineer/mixer can locate objects specifically where he/she wants them, but for us to hear it that must ultimately be presented by channels. If we, for example, don't have a speaker (channel) exactly where the mixer intended it to be then we have to be able to tell the processor exactly where each channel is located physically in the 3 dimensional space. Such that the processor can matrix the sound so that it appears to be coming from the location that the mixer intended. Otherwise the sound will be coming from the wrong location, i.e.; not the one the mixer intended. I don't believe that any processor / microphone, during set up, can determine in 3 dimensional space where the sound is coming from. It can tell how far away it is. but not which direction. Hence proper Atmos setup requires input as to the physical location of each speaker in 3 dimensions, which is what is required in an Atmos equipped commercial cinema. Anything less than that would result in the sound not coming from the location the mixer intended. Cheers Gary |
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XMR-1
Feb 27, 2015 16:18:47 GMT -5
Post by hifiaudio2 on Feb 27, 2015 16:18:47 GMT -5
Actually you would use it, because Atmos is as much about object based decoding as it is extra "new " channels. An Atmos capable processor can steer an object encoded sound to a "point in space" in your room based on the encoding and what the processor knows about your speaker setup from the initial setup done with the mic. It would steer that sound to an appropriate point, not just a speaker channel. So Atmos can benefit those of you who have no intention of adding new speakers. I disagree, Atmos is mostly about object based encoding, its primary focus is sound engineers/mixers and making their job easier, more effective and more efficient i.e.; faster, saving time and hence money in the mixing. The very minor portion of Atmos is the decoding, turning the objects that the engineer/mixer determined into channels. The undeniable fact is once past the processing it's all about channels from then on, the pre amp is channels based, the power amps are channel based, so are the speakers. Obviously the sound engineer/mixer can locate objects specifically where he/she wants them, but for us to hear it that must ultimately be presented by channels. If we, for example, don't have a speaker (channel) exactly where the mixer intended it to be then we have to be able to tell the processor exactly where each channel is located physically in the 3 dimensional space. Such that the processor can matrix the sound so that it appears to be coming from the location that the mixer intended. Otherwise the sound will be coming from the wrong location, i.e.; not the one the mixer intended. I don't believe that any processor / microphone, during set up, can determine in 3 dimensional space where the sound is coming from. It can tell how far away it is. but not which direction. Hence proper Atmos setup requires input as to the physical location of each speaker in 3 dimensions, which is what is required in an Atmos equipped commercial cinema. Anything less than that would result in the sound not coming from the location the mixer intended. Cheers Gary Sort of correct.... The Trinnov Altitude (or any Trinnov based unit) can do exactly what you describe... they know in 3 dimensions where the speaker is. But I myself have wondered how MOST processors (that dont have Trinnov's processing or special 4 headed mic) are going to be able to handle object decoding if what I described is the goal. But with objects, the Atmos enables process CAN decide how to place a sound between speakers based on where you told it those speakers are. With traditional channel decoding being all that is in metadata of the stream, it is limited to jut putting a sound in the channels it is told to, no questions asked. |
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XMR-1
Feb 27, 2015 18:29:47 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Feb 27, 2015 18:29:47 GMT -5
Still not for sale!,,,,,,,,dang,,,,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,  |
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 5:39:49 GMT -5
Post by cwt on Feb 28, 2015 5:39:49 GMT -5
He said 16 channels so that's one huge part of the puzzle I hadn't heard. Everything I've seen was speculation at 7.2.4 = 13 channels. That leaves 3 left over. Not sure what those 3 would be (maybe 3 front ceiling channels?), but it's clear Emotiva is bound to skip a step and go straight to state of the art. Very cool! All channels balanced also sets quite a high standard. For those of you looking for something small to fit in your rack, I think you can forget about it. This is going to be a big boy and I like it! Glad my wife likes 'em big too!!!  Need smaller, buy the XMC-1 or the UMC-3 (name made up for discussion purposes). As anyone who has read my many posts about the XMC-1, my only drawback that I can come up with for myself and my system is not enough RCA analog inputs. I would like to see the RMC-1 keep everything the XMC-1 has input/output wise (including the 7.1 input and all the toslink/RCA digital inputs/ outputs), and then just add a bit more. I think (6) 2-channel RCA analog inputs is a nice number. While they are at it more than one 2 channel balanced XLR input would be great too. If the RMC-1 is to be a true legendary product, then I really don't want to see input/output skimping that might amount to another $50 - $100 in cost. Knowing we are getting 16 channels, it doesn't sound like any skimping will be going on. AWESOME. I think your on the right track about a large 4u or more component bonzo . What gives me trepidation about all your spdif's and 2ch inputs is what trinnov manages for its new similarly 16ch balanced output model and its 32 channel siblings [and thats with db25 connectors  ] the trend is fewer not more as in its 3 stereo analog as below vvv ; those xlr's will chew up the back panel space . This may just be the thing to sway you towards streaming ; who knows  Assignable channels would be sweet for say auro's vog or more/less subs  www.trinnov.com/products/high-end/altitude32/product-details/?lang=en_us |
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 7:48:49 GMT -5
Post by wizardofoz on Feb 28, 2015 7:48:49 GMT -5
And must come with a clock and sleep fuction and alarm too like my ancient sunfire processor did...im joking about the Sunfite but not the feature  |
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 10:55:21 GMT -5
Post by cwt on Feb 28, 2015 10:55:21 GMT -5
I have no use for Atmos as I have no desire to try and cut holes in my ceiling and attempt to run wires to those additional speakers. I don't want to go the band-aid route of adding or buying speakers that shoot sound towards the ceiling. Don't get me wrong, I think Atmos is cool, but not going to happen in my current house. Even if it was possible for Emotiva to add Atmos to the XMC-1, I would not use it. Its probably not as good as discrete ceiling speakers cawgijoe and the details are still to come but the dts-x equivalent to D.S. does sound promising ; something I would be curious to hear about when dts fill in the blanks That said it still needs a dts-x decoding chip and a new pcb no doubt as the processing needed would be that much more .. www.avsforum.com/forum/286-latest-industry-news/1828778-dts-x-immersive-sound-format-due-march-2015-a-18.html#post31563033 |
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 20:20:44 GMT -5
Post by Erwin.BE on Feb 28, 2015 20:20:44 GMT -5
I have been away from the Lounge recently, still a bit pi**ed for not being allowed to hand over my euros for a pair of XPA-7 and enjoying my new ride from Zuffenhausen in stead.
16-channel XMR-1, you folks say? I'd say the chance I buy one if I am allowed is about 100% since I am all for Atmos/Auro and I have plenty space for 9.1.6! Oh, and I have 2 of the Upgrade Cards! Still working on the HT build (it is getting shape), it should be ready by the summer, so I might settle for the XMC-1 as a stop gap after all.
Edit: my 2,000th post, this!
One more thing: my sig says 8 coaxial (beside 3 SEOS), but that number will be upped by another 4 units!
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 21:24:45 GMT -5
Post by novisnick on Feb 28, 2015 21:24:45 GMT -5
Quick question, I may have missed something. Will I need my XSP-1 for two channel if/when I purchase the XMR-1?
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XMR-1
Feb 28, 2015 23:26:56 GMT -5
Post by Gary Cook on Feb 28, 2015 23:26:56 GMT -5
Quick question, I may have missed something. Will I need my XSP-1 for two channel if/when I purchase the XMR-1? Some of the guys are saying that they don't need their XSP-1 now that they have an XMC-1 (+ XPS-1 of course) I seriously doubt that the XMR-1 will have less of a "hot rodded pre amp" than the XMC-1. Cheers Gary |
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XMR-1
Mar 1, 2015 8:39:23 GMT -5
Post by wizardofoz on Mar 1, 2015 8:39:23 GMT -5
I am thinking if the xmr is a long time coming then my XSP and dc-1 could be up for a new home.
I use the xmc in 2 channel mode predominantly unless we go for a movie night...and I still have yet to do dirac as im awaiting the Mac version, even though I have a crappy windows laptop that could run it.
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XMR-1
Mar 1, 2015 10:49:18 GMT -5
Post by danr on Mar 1, 2015 10:49:18 GMT -5
Quick question, I may have missed something. Will I need my XSP-1 for two channel if/when I purchase the XMR-1? Some of the guys are saying that they don't need their XSP-1 now that they have an XMC-1 (+ XPS-1 of course) I seriously doubt that the XMR-1 will have less of a "hot rodded pre amp" than the XMC-1. Cheers Gary Based on Big Dan's previous comments when it was known as the RMC-1...the XMR-1 will be an "even more hot-rodded pre amp" than the XMC-1. The XMR-1 will be Big Dan's no holds barred "statement" piece. |
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XMR-1
Mar 1, 2015 11:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by Jim on Mar 1, 2015 11:13:46 GMT -5
Some of the guys are saying that they don't need their XSP-1 now that they have an XMC-1 (+ XPS-1 of course) I seriously doubt that the XMR-1 will have less of a "hot rodded pre amp" than the XMC-1. Cheers Gary Based on Big Dan's previous comments when it was known as the RMC-1...the XMR-1 will be an "even more hot-rodded pre amp" than the XMC-1. The XMR-1 will be Big Dan's no holds barred "statement" piece. I believe the argument for the 2 channel crowd is that the XSP doesn't have the noise from all of the digital components and other guts in the XMC. Do I think it's an audible difference? probably not |
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] the trend is fewer not more as in its 3 stereo analog as below vvv ; those xlr's will chew up the back panel space . This may just be the thing to sway you towards streaming ; who knows 
Assignable channels would be sweet for say auro's vog or more/less subs 
