What Frequency range is "full range"?

[brubacca]

I'd like to get some full range speakers for my 2 channel...

What frequency range constitutes full range for Classic Rock & Jazz music possibly a little grunge?

I will not be listening to classical or anything with pipe organ, or should I say I am not concerned with these Genres.

Literally I listen to a lot of Keb Mo, Eric Clapton, old school Police, Queen, Diana Krall, Norah Jones, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, Rush, Yes....


What frequency response would you consider full range for these genres?

Would 38Hz on the low end cover this?
30Hz?

Any opinions welcome....

[ocezam]

Mar 8, 2015 20:33:21 GMT -5 brubacca said:

I'd like to get some full range speakers for my 2 channel... What frequency range constitutes full range for Classic Rock & Jazz music possibly a little grunge? I will not be listening to classical or anything with pipe organ, or should I say I am not concerned with these Genres. Literally I listen to a lot of Keb Mo, Eric Clapton, old school Police, Queen, Diana Krall, Norah Jones, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, Rush, Yes....What frequency response would you consider full range for these genres? Would 38Hz on the low end cover this?
30Hz? Any opinions welcome....

Well obviously the accepted full range is 20 hz to 20 Khz, even though we can certainly feel sound below 20 hz and most of us can't hear anything close to 20 Khz. At 53 years old I can only hear to about 14-15 Khz. My 24 year old son hears to about 18 Khz.

My new speakers go a lot lower than any speakers I've had since the 80's. Their in room f3 is about 25 hz but that's mostly superfluous. There really isn't a lot of sound under 30 hz in a majority of music. I think if your speakers have an in room f3 of 35 hz or so you probably won't be missing a sub much. My opinion, for what it's worth...

If your using your speakers for action movies, hip hop, or organ music all bets are off.

[pletwals]

As you state "there is not much under 30Hz". Hence 30 Hz would be my goal. Your average commercial Hifi tower speaker will struggle. But it's certainly possible if you're willing to go large.

The JTR Noesis 215RT does 18 Hz (-3dB):
jtrspeakers.com/home-audio/noesis-215rt/

[Canuck_fr]

If you take all the instruments that will be played in your music, the one producing the most bass are the bass and the piano. The bass goes down to 41 Hz and the Piano to 27 Hz.

Hope that helps.

[bootman]

Are you setting up a new system or replacing your Sonus Faber Venere 1.5?
I would just add a good sub to those, but that is just me.

You ever measured with REW to see how low they actually go with room gain?

[brubacca]

I am thinking of replacing the Sonus Faber 1.5....
I am considering the Venere 3.0, but I really want "Full Range" with no sub.

I do have a Martin Logan Dynamo sub, that I just installed with the system. I am trying to get a satisfactory sound from this setup before I buy something new.

I don't know what REW is.

[bootman]

[jlafrenz]

[novisnick]

bootman,
Nice!!,,,,,,, you can never watch this one too much!!!


Thanks!

[pedrocols]

Basically if a speaker can reproduce a 20hz signal with authority is because it is a subwoofer.

[KeithL]

Unless you listen to pipe organs.... a few of them go down to 16 Hz (and quite a few go down to 32 Hz).


Mmmmmmmm.... Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (Bach)

Mar 9, 2015 6:51:16 GMT -5 Canuck_fr said:

If you take all the instruments that will be played in your music, the one producing the most bass are the bass and the piano. The bass goes down to 41 Hz and the Piano to 27 Hz.

Hope that helps.

[KeithL]

Best chart I've seen..... and colorful too.

Mar 9, 2015 8:35:40 GMT -5 jlafrenz said:

[brubacca]

Thanks for the information everyone. I love the chart and I'll check out the information on REW.

It looks like realistically for my needs something in the mid-30s would really do the job. Possibly all the way down to 30hz just to cover Bass.

[vneal]

20 hz to 20 Khz

Get a speaker you like with a name brand sub
(JL Audio, REL, Velodyne)

[brubacca]

So my choices are:
Nola Contender, Tekton Lore 2.0, Tekton Seas Pendragon...

[Gary Cook]

I've had a sub in my stereo music system for 20+ years for both sound and economic reasons. My experience has been that a quality stereo pair of speakers that sound good down to 20 hz and up to 20khz are beyond my budget for both the speakers and the amplifiers necessary to drive them. I believe that I achieve the same or better sound quality and quantity by splitting the requirements between a quality stereo pair of speakers and amplifiers in combination with quality sub woofer and amplifier.


Cheers
Gary

[Lsc]

There is a saying....well I just made it up, "high end speakers that go down to 20hz, is going to cost you $20k+". Quality bass is expensive.

If the speaker can go down to the mid to low 30s...I've had (have) Klipsch Forte II that go down to 32Hz +/- 3 and currently have the F208 that goes down to 34Hz and for most material, they are great. For that bottom octave, I have a sub.

I agree with others who recommend this two prong approach. Go for speakers with superior midrange and you'll be happy. If you don't care about movies, a sealed sub will do the job.

[pletwals]

Mar 9, 2015 10:05:00 GMT -5 pedrocols said:

Basically if a speaker can reproduce a 20hz signal with authority is because it is a subwoofer.

Or a somewhat larger standmount:

PMC BB5 SE