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Post by jmilton on May 12, 2015 13:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by novisnick on May 12, 2015 13:42:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the information!! Let me buy you something to put in your pipe sometime,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,,
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Post by jmilton on May 12, 2015 14:55:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the information!! Let me buy you something to put in your pipe sometime,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,, Bubbles, please.
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Post by bootman on May 13, 2015 9:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on May 13, 2015 10:25:08 GMT -5
That would be very sad. Bear in mind that Netflix is currently only able to deliver "plain old HD content" at full quality to about 1/3 of its customers - the rest don't have enough bandwidth to even get that. If you understand the technology, then it's obvious that, if they want to deliver "4k" to people who don't even have enough bandwidth to receive HD, then they're going to have to sacrifice something. In other words, all that cool stuff about more colors, and better contrast, and all such things isn't going to make it through alive. From what I've heard, the new compression standard they've developed for 4k (h.265) is claimed to be "almost twice as effective as the old h.264 standard"... which means that, for the same bandwidth, you'll be able to get a picture that has a little bit more detail, OR some more colors, OR better dynamic range (but not all of those; remember that you have an OVERALL improvement of less than 2x; like "life points" in your favorite video game, you can double your kill power, or double your armor, or double your luck, or increase all of them by a few percent each - you get to choose where you want to spend that improvement - or, rather, in this case, Netflix gets to decide for you). I just hope that, like the Concorde, we don't end up in a situation where the improvement in technology comes to a screeching halt because not enough people care to pay for it. (And, in this case, I think that means that we need enough people to actually BUY those 4k discs to convince manufacturers that it's worth spending the money to develop the next step after that. If whatever Netflix gives us as "4k" doesn't look wildly better than what they give us now as "HD" - to most actual Netflix customers - then that simply won't count.)
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Post by jmilton on May 13, 2015 13:12:23 GMT -5
Being an audio/videophile has never been about "good enough". The best sound and video will still be the disc, not streaming.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 13, 2015 13:36:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the information!! Let me buy you something to put in your pipe sometime,,,,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,he,,,,,,, Bubbles, please. Bubbles the chimp: Or Bubbles the Clown:
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Post by Hair Nick on May 13, 2015 13:40:00 GMT -5
I'm re-encoding some bluray content right now with h.265 to see the size and quality difference. Hopefully I'll have some good numbers and screenshots to post for you guys.
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Post by jmilton on May 13, 2015 14:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by qdtjni on May 13, 2015 14:51:46 GMT -5
Being an audio/videophile has never been about "good enough". The best sound and video will still be the disc, not streaming. It depends. LP is always better non-streamed.
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Post by Hair Nick on May 13, 2015 15:16:52 GMT -5
Here are my results: True Detective Bluray Season 1 Episode 1 H.264 MKV bluray rip = 13.06gb H.265 MKV re-encode = 6.21gb Encode Settings:Screenshots:H.264H.265H.264H.265H.264H.265I'll do some clip exports to see H.264 vs H.265 next.
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Post by vcautokid on May 13, 2015 15:21:02 GMT -5
I heard if you don't get At 10mbs download reliable HD streaming is not so much. So I can imagine how much more for UHD.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 13, 2015 16:34:51 GMT -5
Nick, I seem to be missing some screen shots, I only see the first .264 and .265 but only the second .265, and none of the others. I know you inserted the code (I looked when I used the quote function) they're just not showing up in my browser. These two I don't see at all in your post. H.264H.265Can't wait to see the clips
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Post by Hair Nick on May 13, 2015 16:38:49 GMT -5
Mine did that too at first but then loaded fine. I think it might be a proboards issue at the moment.
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 13, 2015 16:47:13 GMT -5
Upon review it seems this image reference : [img src="http://s2.postimg.org/6cpfr29dj/H265_3.png" alt=" "]
should be replaced by this: [img src="http://s2.postimg.org/3vdojsph3/H265_3.png" alt=" "]
Just saw your reply, strange that viewing the image gives two image references.
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Post by Hair Nick on May 13, 2015 16:54:58 GMT -5
They are in the correct format and are showing up for me in Firefox, Safari, and Chrome.
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Post by bootman on May 13, 2015 16:59:33 GMT -5
But still doesn't address the fact that 4K streaming will not have HD audio H.265 compression aside like the Bluray will.
What do we all need XMC's for then if all we get/need is 5.1 DD for this new content online?
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Post by ÈlTwo on May 13, 2015 17:05:17 GMT -5
Hmm, I'm using FireFox Developers Edition, and Pale Moon and Project Spartan, and Chrome all on Win10. Either it's my machine, or my OS.
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Post by Hair Nick on May 13, 2015 17:05:35 GMT -5
But still doesn't address the fact that 4K streaming will not have HD audio H.265 compression aside like the Bluray will. What do we all need XMC's for then if all we get/need is 5.1 DD for this new content online? That is why I will continue to be happy with all my 1080P 1:1 Bluray rips playing through my Rasbperry Pi with all HD audio from the disc.
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Post by garbulky on May 14, 2015 14:50:32 GMT -5
Finally been waiting for this. Hopefully the HDMI 2 prices won't be insane. Or even better they will play 4k through HDMI 1 devices. My conundrum is this. 4K is perfect for what I want eventually. A really large TV with 4k capability for teaching and work. But....a 4k unit requires an expensive HDMI 2 graphics card for my PC, as well as a really beefy processor. Neither of which I've got. So I will have to eventually do a pretty expensive upgrade just to get 4k capability. Hopefulyl prices will come down in about two years.
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