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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 14:31:54 GMT -5
Who cares if it's loud or not? That isn't solving OP's problem. I noticed this problem before. The other speaker presets worked fine. There was no response from Emotiva in the thread and I did not call about it. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/42336/volume-limited-change-clicks-noiseI'm pretty sure it went away, but I don't know how. Last night, I was listening to some music recorded at a low level and cranking it past 0.0 did increase the volume. I've rerun Dirac and mucked with some other settings since having the problem. Or perhaps Dirac has some kind of limiter due to the boost applied for correction. The Secrets review talked about an issue with TI DSP limiting voltage. All just guesses. -tm Thanks. The link shows my problem. The volume increases with my preset 1 & 2 but stops increasing from about -4 to +11 with Dirac. If Dirac is responsible for that then Emo should take care of it. |
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Post by qdtjni on May 31, 2015 14:34:08 GMT -5
I assumed 85db is actually reference level, so to have a reference capable system, you need 20db dynamic headroom from each channel. As for the many blu-ray calibration discs(Spears&Munsil/DVE/DisneyWOW) they use 75db to calibrate with their test tones because 10db less is easier to tolerate during a calibration. The LFE channel is 10db louder, thus reference being 95db and the need to handle 115db. Yes these are specs for properly calibrated Movie Theaters, so in your home are really for the capability of the mains and surrounds to reach 105db and subwoofer(s) at 115db at the main listening position. Personally listening at these levels for extended periods of time will probably cost any of us in the long run in the hearing department. That's good explanation! Extended exposure to SPLs of 85 dB or higher will permanently damage your hearing. |
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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 14:35:19 GMT -5
I just noticed that my XMC does not play any louder from about -4 to +11 with my XPR-5 amp and Dirac preset. I reset the unit by the rear power switch and used different sound formats but no difference in volume. I have not used other presets yet. Anybody has noticed this or any idea about it. As "repeetavx" has already stated, make sure that SetUp--->Preferences--->Max Volume, is set accordingly. My Max Volume in XMC is set to +11. That's why when I raise the volume the front screen shows the volume goes up to +11 but the loudness stops at -4 and that is with Dirac preset only. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5
I have read (and experienced), including the professional review, that Dirac sets the levels 10db higher than the presets. So as I said with Dirac engaged you may be reaching the limits of your speakers unless you go in and adjust the levels according to a calibration disc.
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Post by qdtjni on May 31, 2015 14:36:09 GMT -5
Who cares if it's loud or not? That isn't solving OP's problem. I noticed this problem before. The other speaker presets worked fine. There was no response from Emotiva in the thread and I did not call about it. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/42336/volume-limited-change-clicks-noiseI'm pretty sure it went away, but I don't know how. Last night, I was listening to some music recorded at a low level and cranking it past 0.0 did increase the volume. I've rerun Dirac and mucked with some other settings since having the problem. Or perhaps Dirac has some kind of limiter due to the boost applied for correction. The Secrets review talked about an issue with TI DSP limiting voltage. All just guesses. -tm Thanks. The link shows my problem. The volume increases with my preset 1 & 2 but stops increasing from about -4 to +11 with Dirac. If Dirac is responsible for that then Emo should take care of it. It may be a result of normalisation in Dirac to avoid clipping, if so it is by design. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:40:03 GMT -5
I assumed 85db is actually reference level, so to have a reference capable system, you need 20db dynamic headroom from each channel. As for the many blu-ray calibration discs(Spears&Munsil/DVE/DisneyWOW) they use 75db to calibrate with their test tones because 10db less is easier to tolerate during a calibration. The LFE channel is 10db louder, thus reference being 95db and the need to handle 115db. Yes these are specs for properly calibrated Movie Theaters, so in your home are really for the capability of the mains and surrounds to reach 105db and subwoofer(s) at 115db at the main listening position. Personally listening at these levels for extended periods of time will probably cost any of us in the long run in the hearing department. That's good explanation! Extended exposure to SPLs of 85 dB or higher will permanently damage your hearing. You would need to listen for a ridiculously long time continuously at 85db to cause hearing loss. 85db is the loudness of heavy car traffic. (About 8 hours straight would be needed to cause damage) |
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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 14:40:23 GMT -5
I have read (and experienced), including the professional review, that Dirac sets the levels 10db higher than the presets. So as I said with Dirac engaged you may be reaching the limits of your speakers unless you go in and adjust the levels according to a calibration disc. Thanks. My presets 1 & 2 plays louder than Dirac. So it is not the limits of my speakers but something wrong with Dirac. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:42:11 GMT -5
Very odd. Maybe try rerunning Dirac. Then factory reset your unit before loading the files
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Post by qdtjni on May 31, 2015 14:44:30 GMT -5
That's good explanation! Extended exposure to SPLs of 85 dB or higher will permanently damage your hearing. You would need to listen for a ridiculously long time continuously at 85db to cause hearing loss. 85db is the loudness of heavy car traffic. As long as 8 hours, not really that long. www.sengpielaudio.com/PermissibleExposureTime.htm |
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Post by qdtjni on May 31, 2015 14:47:02 GMT -5
My presets 1 & 2 plays louder than Dirac. So it is not the limits of my speakers but something wrong with Dirac. Did you have lots of deep dips before applying Dirac correction? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:47:26 GMT -5
Check my post again. I have 8 hours. And that is a looooong time to listen at that level straight in an HT environment. |
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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 14:52:00 GMT -5
Check my post again. I have 8 hours. And that is a looooong time to listen at that level straight in an HT environment. I have one dip all fronts that Dirac applied about 10db correction to them |
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Post by millst on May 31, 2015 14:56:43 GMT -5
That's odd. Have you measures them with an spl meter to confirm they aren't getting louder? Could it be possible you are reaching driver compression levels in your speakers and they aren't capable of going any louder? You don't need an SPL meter to realize that adding 10dB is not making a difference. No, as we said, it works fine on the other speaker presets. -tm |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:59:19 GMT -5
Well if you are cranking content at -4 it's very very loud. And cranking it to +11 is just rediculous. So I thought maybe it was so loud you couldn't tell the difference. I am a measurement person. Either I confirm it with measurements or it might not be what I think. Just a thought.
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Post by qdtjni on May 31, 2015 15:01:47 GMT -5
Check my post again. I have 8 hours. And that is a looooong time to listen at that level straight in an HT environment. I have one dip all fronts that Dirac applied about 10db correction to them So it could be normalisation to avoid clipping that makes it stop at -4 dB, but it does sound odd. |
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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 15:46:21 GMT -5
I have one dip all fronts that Dirac applied about 10db correction to them So it could be normalisation to avoid clipping that makes it stop at -4 dB, but it does sound odd. Well, I did factory reset, lowered my targets in Dirac to the lowest point of dips, uploaded it to XMC and still the same issue. The loudness stays the same from about -4 db to +11 db. I think its time to call Emo tomorrow. Seems like Dirac issue and Emo needs to do something about it. It limits the ability of the whole system. Does not matter how good your system is, Dirac will limit its maximum ability. In that case no need to have the best speakers and amp since Dirac will control their function. Very odd. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 15:57:59 GMT -5
Let me go test it right now to see if I have the same results. Brb
Mine definitely gets louder from -4 to 0
However....it does in fact not get any louder when going to +11
Now not a huge issue since I will NEVER listen that loud. But interesting nonetheless
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Post by usxplong on May 31, 2015 16:18:30 GMT -5
Let me go test it right now to see if I have the same results. Brb Mine definitely gets louder from -4 to 0 However....it does in fact not get any louder when going to +11 Now not a huge issue since I will NEVER listen that loud. But interesting nonetheless Thanks for confirming it. Will call Emo tomorrow and see how it goes. Dirac should not control the whole system. It is very weird. |
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Post by millst on May 31, 2015 17:07:30 GMT -5
Let us know how it goes. I think at least one person confirmed the behavior in my thread, too. I'm all for getting things fixed. Even though it's not affecting me now, it might pop up again.
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Post by frsimms on Jun 1, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5
I have the same problem too. I look forward to you finding out why officially.
Bob
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