|
|
Post by milsap195 on Jun 6, 2015 16:06:26 GMT -5
How does Music Hall compare with VPI?
|
|
|
|
Post by vcautokid on Jun 6, 2015 16:25:56 GMT -5
2 different tables. Both are great. Just pick one.
|
|
|
|
Post by trinhsman on Jun 7, 2015 7:45:25 GMT -5
How does Music Hall compare with VPI? Both great tables, but for me Music Hall won out because they find something that works and stay with it. VPI is always in a constant state for change. It is as if they are never happy with a design. They make amazing tables, but I still decided on my MH 9.1. I love that table. |
|
harri009
Emo VIPs 
ReferenceAnalog.com
Posts: 1,425
|
Post by harri009 on Jun 7, 2015 13:56:42 GMT -5
Yes VPI does have a tendency to always be trying to figure out a way to make their products better, sometimes going in circles to do so. That was mainly under the direction of Harry though. I have spoke with his son Mat (the new CEO) quite a few times though and one of the things Mat wants to do is create consistency in their product offerings. So perhaps that will change. I personnally think the VPI Aries 3 is probably the best table for the money. You could get it for the same price as what the Music Hall 11 retails for, that is with some dealer discount  |
|
|
|
Post by tchaik on Jun 7, 2015 14:49:10 GMT -5
Yes VPI does have a tendency to always be trying to figure out a way to make their products better, sometimes going in circles to do so. That was mainly under the direction of Harry though. I have spoke with his son Mat (the new CEO) quite a few times though and one of the things Mat wants to do is create consistency in their product offerings. So perhaps that will change. I personnally think the VPI Aries 3 is probably the best table for the money. You could get it for the same price as what the Music Hall 11 retails for, that is with some dealer discount i still have my original VPI-mk 2 from my purchase back in about 1986 or 87. it still runs like charm, quiet as a mouse and built like a tank. if their current tables are as good or better, then you really have something. if the music hall tables directly compete with the VPI then i can't imagine anyone being unhappy with them. btw…….. my VPI cost me about $800 back in the mid 80's and that was w/o tonearm and cartridge. i think my tonearm and cartridge were each in the $300 range, which means todays tables are a real bargain. tchaik…………… |
|
|
|
Post by 1960broookwood on Jun 7, 2015 14:49:55 GMT -5
Given the time and effort cultivating the internet direct business model to eliminating the middle man markup this move has me really confused.
I've got 4 B&M's within a short drive???
|
|
|
|
Post by brubacca on Jun 7, 2015 15:55:37 GMT -5
Given the time and effort cultivating the internet direct business model to eliminating the middle man markup this move has me really confused. I've got 4 B&M's within a short drive??? I think that it is simple. One stop shopping. Dan wants to provide more of the solution. It probably doesn't make sense to develop one on his own. It's not like he decided to sell Marantz HT Processors which would be competitive with his own core business. Lastly not everybody has a B&M store close. Emotiva wouldn't be the first internet retailed to sell Turntables. Lastly, I would say that many of Emotiva's customers are probably not your traditional high end customer. They probably have a nice percentage that wouldn't even go to a B&M store. |
|
|
|
Post by deltadube on Jun 9, 2015 17:21:49 GMT -5
It is a $4500 table for $4500. At a quick glance Emotiva Prices are the same as other online merchants. This makes sense, Emotiva becomes your dealer. Agreed. price wise I would have to give project serious thought ...  |
|
|
|
Post by vneal on Jun 9, 2015 19:17:44 GMT -5
How does Music Hall compare with VPI? Both great tables, but for me Music Hall won out because they find something that works and stay with it. VPI is always in a constant state for change. It is as if they are never happy with a design. They make amazing tables, but I still decided on my MH 9.1. I love that table. Are you kidding? Music Hall is a good entry level table. VPI is state of the art. You are comparing a VW and Ferrari |
|
|
|
Post by trinhsman on Jun 9, 2015 19:53:14 GMT -5
Both great tables, but for me Music Hall won out because they find something that works and stay with it. VPI is always in a constant state for change. It is as if they are never happy with a design. They make amazing tables, but I still decided on my MH 9.1. I love that table. Are you kidding? Music Hall is a good entry level table. VPI is state of the art. You are comparing a VW and Ferrari Have you listened to the 9.1? I never said VPI was a bad or not as good table. What I said was they don't ever seem to be happy with a design and are constantly changing things in search of the perfect table. Something MH has done very little of. And if you really want to take a look at tables, then the Linn Sondeks have kept the same basic design for 30 years and still get a class A rating every year. I will tell you this, I would put a MH 9.1 table up against any VPI in the same price range. Differences would be minor at most with one table beating the other out in different areas. Both very good tables, but again for me, the MH won out. |
|
klinemj
Emo VIPs
Official Emofest Scribe
Posts: 15,083
|
Post by klinemj on Jun 9, 2015 20:24:28 GMT -5
I really like the VPI table with it's super-trick arm. A friend has one and with his Benz cart, it is amazing. I would love Emo to make something that nice but with their business model/pricing. But,who knows it the volume would support the investment.
Mark
|
|
|
|
Post by goozoo on Jun 10, 2015 1:00:08 GMT -5
Just a note here.... Emotiva is investing resources in both HT and two channel development. There are many new products in the pipeline that you are not aware of yet. Many of them two channel and capable of very high performance. And of course, they are affordable. We make a broad line of stereo and mono-block amplifiers suitable for serious two channel listening, and our XSP-1 is a remarkable stereo preamp. We'v got great DAC's, with more coming, for all types of users. Our XMC-1 is probably the most seriously "two channel" focused AVP on the market. I think you're not seeing things the way we do. We're moving forward, not backwards. The classic two-channel audiophile listening experience is a part of, but not the only way to experience audio bliss. We're investing in all areas of interest to the serious music and cinema devote. Cheers, Big Dan Great. Good to know the XMC-1 is now considered a "seriously focused two channel AVP". Considering how little two channel listening has changed in the last 15 years, the entire draw of the XMC-1 processor was its' modular design needed in the ever changing landscape of HT processors. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I'll believe it when I see it. |
|
|
|
Post by repeetavx on Jun 10, 2015 2:05:11 GMT -5
Our XMC-1 is probably the most seriously "two channel" focused AVP on the market. I certainly consider a fully balanced stereo signal path from the Balanced DACSs to the Balanced Outputs a serious focus on two channel. Goozoo, you have some wonderfully awesome equipment in your set-up. Are you telling us that the XMC-1 doesn't measure up? Or do you just believe that (like the rest of us) audio processor promises are easier made than kept. |
|
|
|
Post by vneal on Jun 10, 2015 7:40:05 GMT -5
I could live with either turntable. But the USA Made VPI has a much longer lineage of turntables and has a much higher resale. Music Hall sells for $1999. VPI has the VPI Scout Jr which includes the Ortophon 2M Red MC Cartridge for $1500. I will take the VPI. Their models don't really change--they have new versions and most can be upgraded. The 9.1 version you are referring to has a sourced carbon tone arm(a good one) and platter from Pro-ject---- The VPI is made in America,  Attachments:
|
|
|
|
Post by goozoo on Jun 10, 2015 14:11:52 GMT -5
Our XMC-1 is probably the most seriously "two channel" focused AVP on the market. I certainly consider a fully balanced stereo signal path from the Balanced DACSs to the Balanced Outputs a serious focus on two channel. Goozoo, you have some wonderfully awesome equipment in your set-up. Are you telling us that the XMC-1 doesn't measure up? Or do you just believe that (like the rest of us) audio processor promises are easier made than kept. Thanks. It took a while to get everything together. The XMC-1 actually compares very well with the likes of Classé and Mark Levinson for audio sound quality. The problem I am having is that I think Emo is trying to do a lot at the same time but taking the Apple approach to product releases. This leaves the consumer confused and often irate when all they had to do was to wait and make the right purchase had they know ahead of time. Unlike Apple however, Emo has a lot of competition out there thus making it very hard for customers to stay loyal to the brand once they feel cheated. |
|
djreef
Sensei
Thoroughly enjoying my Schiit
Posts: 353
|
Post by djreef on Jun 10, 2015 14:21:24 GMT -5
"I've got 4 B&M's within a short drive???"
Too much fiber?
DJ
|
|
|
|
Post by brubacca on Jun 10, 2015 20:19:20 GMT -5
Their (VPI) models don't really change--they have new versions and most can be upgraded. I have to disagree with this statement. I have only known about VPI since they released the Traveler like 2/3 years ago. That table went through 2 or three revisions then dropped for the Scout Jr. In between they released the Nomad, which is now gone from the website. A coupe of weeks ago Music Direct and SoundStage Direct were selling some "Special Ediitions" which were Scout Jr. with some special platter they found in their stock. The product line seems very haphazard from a newbie... Their tables seem to be awesome, but from an outsider they tend to tinker... I still may buy one, I heard a Scout 1.1 playing Miles Davis Kind of Blue and I have to say for the first time I "got" that album. It was awesome. |
|
|
|
Post by ausman on Jun 11, 2015 1:17:06 GMT -5
My question would bt why bother with a price tags of 4,500 when by the look of it there isn't more than $500 worth of geear in to..
The wat I look at it if it can't play the old 78's it isn't worth buying..
|
|
|
|
Post by qdtjni on Jun 11, 2015 1:44:58 GMT -5
My question would bt why bother with a price tags of 4,500 when by the look of it there isn't more than $500 worth of geear in to.. Do you believe that yourself or did you forget to put an emoticon at the end? |
|
|
|
Post by yves on Jun 11, 2015 18:56:58 GMT -5
Without a Trans-Fi Terminator T3 Pro on it, the VPI Scout is IMO more dreary than a pub with no beer. No smiley. |
|
