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Post by novisnick on Aug 12, 2015 13:50:34 GMT -5
So...if you are already using a PC as a source to your xda-2, why do you need a transport? Why not just go fully ripped or downloaded music? Mark Because sometimes it's easier to just use a transport, say if I don't want the PC to be running, I don't have the album on my computer (my system does not have a disc drive btw), or something along those lines. A simple transport is easier to use and more streamlined. I do concur! |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 12, 2015 14:43:47 GMT -5
The History KidFair enough...I used to think that way. But having lived with all my CD's ripped for a couple years - I'm finding it faster & more convenient to find my music and play it from my hard drive than to find the CD, load it to the transport, play it, and then put the CD away. Ripping a CD to my HD takes a couple minutes one time, and after that - no more searching for the disk, getting it out of the case, etc. Long term, ripping is a time saver and is so convenient to use. I'll never go back. (FYI, I do have a cheap CD player hooked to a Sonos unit on my central home system. When I buy a new CD, I sometimes drop it into that and listen while sitting on my back deck. But, then I go rip the CD so I can play it through my dedicated system or my Sonos system around the house.) Mark
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Post by The History Kid on Aug 12, 2015 14:47:55 GMT -5
I can dig that. But this last computer upgrade I did I moved to a laptop without an optical drive in it, as I'm never somewhere I really need to have an optical drive. So you can see exactly where it would be appealing to have a non-video based disc drive.  |
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Post by teaman on Aug 12, 2015 14:55:38 GMT -5
Hey Michael, the factory refreshed sale just started with some ERC's!
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Post by The History Kid on Aug 12, 2015 14:59:42 GMT -5
Haha...maybe if I get that Polk sub sold, I'll be golden! Totally offtopic - ever find any RS-3's that I could snatch up?  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 12, 2015 15:04:44 GMT -5
You're not gonna hear any difference between the different ERC generations with your eyes closed. Only if you know which one is which and feel pressure to say that you heard a difference.  Don't tell Gary Cook that. Tell me what? I've only had one ERC, an ERC-3, never even heard or even seen an ERC-1 or an ERC-2. I do know the ERC-3 direct to a USP-1 sounds better to my ears than via an XDA-2, definitely not night and day though. Whether that's the different DAC's or the internal versus external, no digital interconnects, difference I can't say. What I will say is that, if one has a decent CD collection, then a decent stereo music system should have a dedicated CD player  Cheers Gary |
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Post by The History Kid on Aug 12, 2015 15:09:16 GMT -5
What I will say is that, if one has a decent CD collection, then a decent stereo music system should have a dedicated CD player Absolutely. I agree 100%. I actually have more vinyl than compact disc, but I tend to confine those to listening in the living room. When I was younger - I was taught that it's always better to get something that does one thing. I.E. a tuner, an amplifier, a processor, a CD player, etc...than to get anything altogether in one. I've tried to live by that ever since as best I could - with the exception of good quality receivers. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 12, 2015 15:16:42 GMT -5
The History KidFair enough...I used to think that way. But having lived with all my CD's ripped for a couple years - I'm finding it faster & more convenient to find my music and play it from my hard drive than to find the CD, load it to the transport, play it, and then put the CD away. Ripping a CD to my HD takes a couple minutes one time, and after that - no more searching for the disk, getting it out of the case, etc. Long term, ripping is a time saver and is so convenient to use. I'll never go back. (FYI, I do have a cheap CD player hooked to a Sonos unit on my central home system. When I buy a new CD, I sometimes drop it into that and listen while sitting on my back deck. But, then I go rip the CD so I can play it through my dedicated system or my Sonos system around the house.) Mark What I have noticed Mark is that when I make the effort to load a CD into my ERC-3 I am far more likely to listen to all of it, rather than just one or two tracks. It's also dedicated listening, just listening to the music, nothing else. Whereas if I pick a track off the server I'm far more inclined to listen to one song plus I do other things at the same time. The music becomes the secondary objective. For sure it's partially psychological, ripped music = background whilst CD = dedicated. But it's also physical, making the effort to find the CD and load it gives impetus to actually sitting down and taking the time to listen to it, all of it. Vinyl has the same effect, just a bit more so, I can't just listen to one LP, it develops into a session. Cheers Gary |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 12, 2015 15:29:29 GMT -5
The History KidFair enough...I used to think that way. But having lived with all my CD's ripped for a couple years - I'm finding it faster & more convenient to find my music and play it from my hard drive than to find the CD, load it to the transport, play it, and then put the CD away. Ripping a CD to my HD takes a couple minutes one time, and after that - no more searching for the disk, getting it out of the case, etc. Long term, ripping is a time saver and is so convenient to use. I'll never go back. (FYI, I do have a cheap CD player hooked to a Sonos unit on my central home system. When I buy a new CD, I sometimes drop it into that and listen while sitting on my back deck. But, then I go rip the CD so I can play it through my dedicated system or my Sonos system around the house.) Mark What I have noticed Mark is that when I make the effort to load a CD into my ERC-3 I am far more likely to listen to all of it, rather than just one or two tracks. It's also dedicated listening, just listening to the music, nothing else. Whereas if I pick a track off the server I'm far more inclined to listen to one song plus I do other things at the same time. The music becomes the secondary objective. For sure it's partially psychological, ripped music = background whilst CD = dedicated. But it's also physical, making the effort to find the CD and load it gives impetus to actually sitting down and taking the time to listen to it, all of it. Vinyl has the same effect, just a bit more so, I can't just listen to one LP, it develops into a session. Cheers Gary I find that I'll get distracted with streaming music because I'll be looking for other tracks to add while I am listening to the current one. Or, the current track will serve as a trigger for specific other tracks matching the same mood of the moment and then I get busy adding them instead of paying attention. While a CD might give the impetus to sit down and enjoy the whole thing, I've also had instances in which I discover that I just flat out chose the wrong one and it doesn't match my mood - which then makes me go to the trouble of getting up and refiling it, then looking for something else. With streaming, if a track doesn't match the mood then I can more conveniently switch to another one. So in other words, I ain't ever happy no matter what. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 12, 2015 16:23:16 GMT -5
What I have noticed Mark is that when I make the effort to load a CD into my ERC-3 I am far more likely to listen to all of it, rather than just one or two tracks. It's also dedicated listening, just listening to the music, nothing else. Whereas if I pick a track off the server I'm far more inclined to listen to one song plus I do other things at the same time. The music becomes the secondary objective. For sure it's partially psychological, ripped music = background whilst CD = dedicated. But it's also physical, making the effort to find the CD and load it gives impetus to actually sitting down and taking the time to listen to it, all of it. Vinyl has the same effect, just a bit more so, I can't just listen to one LP, it develops into a session. I find that I'll get distracted with streaming music because I'll be looking for other tracks to add while I am listening to the current one. Or, the current track will serve as a trigger for specific other tracks matching the same mood of the moment and then I get busy adding them instead of paying attention. While a CD might give the impetus to sit down and enjoy the whole thing, I've also had instances in which I discover that I just flat out chose the wrong one and it doesn't match my mood - which then makes me go to the trouble of getting up and refiling it, then looking for something else. With streaming, if a track doesn't match the mood then I can more conveniently switch to another one. So in other words, I ain't ever happy no matter what. Horse for courses, the fact is I hear far more ripped music than I hear CD's or LP's. But I listen to CD's and LP's far more than I listen to any other music. Both have their place and time. Cheers Gary |
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Post by klinemj on Aug 12, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -5
What I find is that I do a mix of track jumping and listening to whole CD's. But, that is not much different than I do with CD player.
When streaming,I sometimes pick a series of tunes I want to hear (often from multiple artists, multiple CD's). I drag the specific tunes of interest into a playlist and hit "play". Other times, I pull up a CD and listen fully through it. And, when it is done, I either pull up another whole CD or ad hoc create a new playlist.
What does this do for me? Well, in those times I want to hear a variety of artists or their tunes across different LP's (notice how I worked LP's into a digital discussion!), I spend MORE time listening to music from my HD than if flipping disks.
Bottom line, I spend more time listening, less time switching tunes if I pull tunes from a HD than when flipping CD's.
What is the only drawback for me? Exhibit A...this week I could not for the life of me remember Norah Jones name or the title of a single song she does. But, I wanted to listen to her, and I got a 100% mental block that prevented doing so. While I could have looked through my 1000+ CD's to find her name, my aging eyes make it hard to read the CD labels so I would have struggled to recall via that method also. Moral of the story? It sucks to get older!!! But I like music on HD overall...
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Post by klinemj on Aug 12, 2015 16:46:45 GMT -5
And, by the way, when I got my Sonos, I was kind of irritable when Sonos customer support was not sympathetic to my desires for a Sonos unit to have more inputs for other sources. He said that once I got used to selecting music sources their way, I would be really happy. I thought he was full of it. But...for me, he was fully right.
So now, I am loving selecting tunes from anywhere in my house and playing through any zone I have...whether it is my HT, floating in my pool listening to any of my CD's or internet radio, in my bed going to sleep, in my kitchen as I cook, in my great room as I read the Lounge on my tablet, in my hot tub, on my deck relaxing, in my bathroom as I...uh...shave, or wherever!
Hard to beat fully digital source free! Last week, I selected an Allman Brothers CD, got in the pool on a floaty, closed my eyes, and let the current from the jets push me around for 45 minutes. Last night, I sat on my deck listening to live Dead for an hour. "Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world...that you are the song that the morning brings...". Oh yeah...source free is me!
Mark
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Post by novisnick on Aug 12, 2015 16:57:52 GMT -5
What I have noticed Mark is that when I make the effort to load a CD into my ERC-3 I am far more likely to listen to all of it, rather than just one or two tracks. It's also dedicated listening, just listening to the music, nothing else. Whereas if I pick a track off the server I'm far more inclined to listen to one song plus I do other things at the same time. The music becomes the secondary objective. For sure it's partially psychological, ripped music = background whilst CD = dedicated. But it's also physical, making the effort to find the CD and load it gives impetus to actually sitting down and taking the time to listen to it, all of it. Vinyl has the same effect, just a bit more so, I can't just listen to one LP, it develops into a session. Cheers Gary I find that I'll get distracted with streaming music because I'll be looking for other tracks to add while I am listening to the current one. Or, the current track will serve as a trigger for specific other tracks matching the same mood of the moment and then I get busy adding them instead of paying attention. While a CD might give the impetus to sit down and enjoy the whole thing, I've also had instances in which I discover that I just flat out chose the wrong one and it doesn't match my mood - which then makes me go to the trouble of getting up and refiling it, then looking for something else. With streaming, if a track doesn't match the mood then I can more conveniently switch to another one. So in other words, I ain't ever happy no matter what. And now my friends, you KNOW,,,,,,,,,,,the rest of the story!! |
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