The Value of used amps

[novisnick]

I think this would/should be a great place to continue the discussion that grew out of a FS thread.
An amp that has no rival in the market, and has over a short time depreciated, can and has begun to grow in value again.

Many of you have commented on my amp sale and after much thought I withdrew the offer of a sale due to a growing opinion that there really is not replacement offered at any price that will match its quality , ability and value,,,,,,at any price.

Id love to hear more on this subject. I do have many more thoughts on this topic but for now id love to hear from others.

What say you? 

[hemster]

The value of a used amp, regardless of whether there's a replacement or not, depends on two things: what the seller is willing to accept and what the buyer is willing to pay. Unless it is the only amp in existence. That's my 1 cent's worth. I'll post the other cent's worth later.

[lehighvalleyjeff]

I sold an XPR-1 with almost full warranty for $900. It's worth more than that but I wanted to use the cash for something else. Personally I think that if you are planning to do atmos and have the amp, my suggestion is to use it for the 5 atmos channels bc for the money there isn't anything else out there to replace it with.

My situation was different bc I didn't need the amp I sold and didn't have another system in mind for it. When you get it into your atmos system I think you will be happy that you kept it.

Just my .02 cents.

[novisnick]

Oct 14, 2015 19:49:00 GMT -5 lehighvalleyjeff said:

I sold an XPR-1 with almost full warranty for $900. It's worth more than that but I wanted to use the cash for something else. Personally I think that if you are planning to do atmos and have the amp, my suggestion is to use it for the 5 atmos channels bc for the money there isn't anything else out there to replace it with.

My situation was different bc I didn't need the amp I sold and didn't have another system in mind for it. When you get it into your atmos system I think you will be happy that you kept it.

Just my .02 cents.

Yes! The money now would be helpful, but at what cost in the future? Still don't know if it is the best decision, but then again my crystal ball fogged up on me! 

[Loop 7]

I may be overly pro-used regarding AV gear. Of 25 components, including speakers and HTPC, only 4 were purchased new with rest all being via Craigslist, Audiogon or the Emotiva emporium. Furthermore, I've had only good luck with used.

Plasma, UMC-200, Mac Mini and Peachtree DAC were only new, retail buys.

I just ordered what will be the first new speakers I've ever owned, a pair of the new ELAC B6.

[novisnick]

Oct 14, 2015 20:04:55 GMT -5 Loop 7 said:

I may be overly pro-used regarding AV gear. Of 25 components, including speakers and HTPC, only 4 were purchased new with rest all being via Craigslist, Audiogon or the Emotiva emporium. Furthermore, I've had only good luck with used.

Plasma, UMC-200, Mac Mini and Peachtree DAC were only new, retail buys.

I just ordered what will be the first new speakers I've ever owned, a pair of the new ELAC B6.

Used amps rarely die,,,,,,they just warm someone elses room,,,,,he,,,,he,,,,he,,,,,,

Please let us know about your new speakers, I hope they are all your hoping for!!

[brubacca]

The value of anything is determined by what people are willing to pay and sell for. The deal has to make sense to both parties. Most people would expect to pay less for a used product than what it costs when it was new.

I was on your thread defending your ability to sell that amp for whatever you want. Personally I thought that you had it overpriced and wouldn't have purchased it if I were looking for a upa-500. That being said it is not my job to tell you what you should sell it for especially when i had no interest in buying it.

[adaboy]

Oct 14, 2015 20:48:28 GMT -5 brubacca said:

The value of anything is determined by what people are willing to pay and sell for. The deal has to make sense to both parties. Most people would expect to pay less for a used product than what it costs when it was new.

I was on your thread defending your ability to sell that amp for whatever you want. Personally I thought that you had it overpriced and wouldn't have purchased it if I were looking for a upa-500. That being said it is not my job to tell you what you should sell it for especially when i had no interest in buying it.

^ that was real!

[novisnick]

Oct 14, 2015 20:48:28 GMT -5 brubacca said:

The value of anything is determined by what people are willing to pay and sell for. The deal has to make sense to both parties. Most people would expect to pay less for a used product than what it costs when it was new.

I was on your thread defending your ability to sell that amp for whatever you want. Personally I thought that you had it overpriced and wouldn't have purchased it if I were looking for a upa-500. That being said it is not my job to tell you what you should sell it for especially when i had no interest in buying it.

Maybe , but the same amp without any warranty was just sold on eBay for MORE  then my last asking price. 

[brubacca]

Oct 14, 2015 20:51:50 GMT -5 adaboy said:

Oct 14, 2015 20:48:28 GMT -5 brubacca said:

The value of anything is determined by what people are willing to pay and sell for. The deal has to make sense to both parties. Most people would expect to pay less for a used product than what it costs when it was new.

I was on your thread defending your ability to sell that amp for whatever you want. Personally I thought that you had it overpriced and wouldn't have purchased it if I were looking for a upa-500. That being said it is not my job to tell you what you should sell it for especially when i had no interest in buying it.

^ that was real!

Just being honest. I have several things myself that I'd like to move. I've posted a few times and nobody has interest. Thats fine and the way it is. Its not personal, just business.

[novisnick]

Oct 14, 2015 20:58:29 GMT -5 brubacca said:

Oct 14, 2015 20:51:50 GMT -5 adaboy said:

^ that was real!

Just being honest. I have several things myself that I'd like to move. I've posted a few times and nobody has interest. Thats fine and the way it is. Its not personal, just business.

Keep trying to sell your items my friend, i had a post that i didnt bump for a few weeks cause there was no interest, one night after one bump three items ended in three different corners of the country! True story!!! Funny how thing work out.

[teaman]

Emotiva's jadedesign has some awesome amps for sale right now. One year warranty on each and I think the prices are nice as well.

XPA-1L - 4 available @ $295 or best offer each www.ebay.com/itm/Emotiva-XPA1-L-Amplifier-/331681194326

and

XPA-1 - 2 available @ $595 or best offer each www.ebay.com/itm/Emotiva-XPA-1-Gen-1-/331681195231

I wish I had room for a pair of XPA-1's right now.

As hemster said, all depends on what a seller wants to ask, and what someone is willing to pay. I bought a used Technics SUV-90D integrated a few years back and it sounded absolutely amazing. $125 shipped from the Bay and originally priced at $1300. I kind of wish I would have held on to it now.

[teaman]

By the way, I just cleared out three tape decks, an amp, three equalizers a cd player and some speakers on the Klipsch forum in under two weeks. Serious people buying over there. Just saying

[Gary Cook]

To me power amplifiers are notable in audio gear in that they never really go out of date, a good amplifier today will be a good amplifier tomorrow, next year and most likely next decade. Technology moves very slowly in power amplifiers, there's no brand spanking new HDCP/HDMI/4K/5K/Atmos etc stuff going on there. As long as it looks perfect physically, a quality power amplifier should retain around 75% of its new value for some years.

In terms of increasing value, I still have an interest (50/50) in a 70's Pioneer QL-600A which would sell for many times its when brand new price.


Cheers
Gary

[wizardofoz]

If you buy old used amps they are run in....if you subscribe to the theory otherwise they should be fine....just watch out for dead caps in the powersupplies.

I just rebuilt a pair of airmotive 6's and it was a cap graveyard...only 4 years old...ymmv

[novisnick]

Oct 14, 2015 21:43:37 GMT -5 teaman said:

Emotiva's jadedesign has some awesome amps for sale right now. One year warranty on each and I think the prices are nice as well.

XPA-1L - 4 available @ $295 or best offer each www.ebay.com/itm/Emotiva-XPA1-L-Amplifier-/331681194326

and

XPA-1 - 2 available @ $595 or best offer each www.ebay.com/itm/Emotiva-XPA-1-Gen-1-/331681195231

I wish I had room for a pair of XPA-1's right now.

As hemster said, all depends on what a seller wants to ask, and what someone is willing to pay. I bought a used Technics SUV-90D integrated a few years back and it sounded absolutely amazing. $125 shipped from the Bay and originally priced at $1300. I kind of wish I would have held on to it now.

Your talking to a MONOBLOCK junky man!!, whats wrong with you?? How many should I buy???
By-amp my Studios and see how they stack up against the XPR-1s??

You are so not fair!!!

[jmasterj]

To me it's all about supply, and demand. Back in 2013 I purchased a new tube integrated amp. It sold for $550.00 without tax and shipping and the cost of the upgraded power tubes. Today the same amp cost $810.00 new. That's a price increase of $260.00 or in other words the amp went up in price $130.00 a year. If I were going to sell mine which I'm not but if I wanted to sell it I would be inclined to ask as close to the original price as I could get.

Before that in 2010 I purchased a new tube hybrid integrated amp it was $680.00, two years later the new amp cost $1200.00 Again if I were to put mine on sale which I'm not, I would be looking to get as much as I could.

The equipment is of value to the person who owns it, and to the person who wants to buy it. If you want to test this go to the pawn shop and see what they offer you for your used gear. They try to steal it from you. If you're not in a dire situation then I think you should hold out for what you think it's worth. Over the years I've lost so much money selling my used  gear for less than it was worth just to get rid of it. Today I'm different, I'm keeping everything. Today you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

[garbulky]

I don;t know Nick. If I were you I would gtet rid of the UPA-500. It's not impressive enough to be worth keeping. It's not bad. It's a great entry level amp. But you simply have more excellent amps at your disposal!

[monkumonku]

Oct 15, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -5 garbulky said:

I don;t know Nick. If I were you I would gtet rid of the UPA-500. It's not impressive enough to be worth keeping. It's not bad. It's a great entry level amp. But you simply have more excellent amps at your disposal!

Well it seems to me that the MAIN reason he should get rid of it is because it isn't a monoblock.

What kind of example is the president and CEO of the monoblock society setting by having a multi-channel amp??? When he runs for reelection, his opponents will rip him to shreds during their debate.

[novisnick]

Oct 15, 2015 10:35:55 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

Oct 15, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -5 garbulky said:

I don;t know Nick. If I were you I would gtet rid of the UPA-500. It's not impressive enough to be worth keeping. It's not bad. It's a great entry level amp. But you simply have more excellent amps at your disposal!

Well it seems to me that the MAIN reason he should get rid of it is because it isn't a monoblock.

What kind of example is the president and CEO of the monoblock society setting by having a multi-channel amp??? When he runs for reelection, his opponents will rip him to shreds during their debate.

Ive been informed that the Emotiva " Atmos/DTSX " would be 16 channels, even for me,,,,,that would be a little excessive to own and Power that many MONOBLOCKS!!!!!


unless I aquire a new source of power!,,,,,,,,,,,    

                                                                                                                   


                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ya know,,,,,,,,,,,,, That may not be such a bad idea!!