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Post by novisnick on Oct 24, 2015 23:58:19 GMT -5
Paint up, left,,,,,,,,,,,paint down, right!!! PAINT,,,,,PAINT,,,,,,PAINT!!!!!! Wax on wax off  like a fool i stepped from the counter over to the island & my foot slipped off the island & tore my shin up , now ive got a skint shin & teal paint fleks on my head & still have to drive 1.5 hours to get back to our other house , my old butt is going to sleep like a baby when i get home , this will be the last yr i winterize our homes & prep them in the spring , next year im subbing this crap out because im getting way too old to be falling off ladders  Wow, so sorry this happened to you! I know that your pride really really hurts tonight,,,,,,,,,but tomorrow,,,,,,,,,S of a B ,&3)(£{*%>>,,,,,,, your going to just hate yourself in the morning,,,,,,,,,,,and afternoon,,,,,,,,,,and,,,,,,,, well, you get my point!!  Hope you heal quickly,,,,,,,were all to OLD fts! |
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Post by highfihoney on Oct 25, 2015 0:09:51 GMT -5
Yup & it sucks being old sometimes , I was a contractor/custom builder for 32 years before retiring so it's hard for me to not build & fix everything myself vs subbing it out , we turned all 3 of our businesses over to our sons last year because I can't keep up with it all anymore & now it looks like I'm gonna put them in charge of our homes too , maintaining 2 homes 70 miles apart is too much for me at this point & I'm doing stupid stuff ending up hurt & I've still got the dog kennels to prep this week , I'm the only person at this home , I'm half drunk & if I was seriously hurt tonight nobody would know I learned a lesson tonight that's for sure , i'll keep smoking & drinking but just have the kids do the work Time to sleep this one off & lick my wounds in the am . |
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Right off the bat i question his logic that carpet & padding are a myth being both products are accoustically absorbitave materials , egg cartons are some elmer fudd stuff though lol . Got a link to this guy ? i'd like to read his reasoning behind what he says what will & will not disrupt sound wave energy . Well .......... the links smell strongly of ads and testimonials, which automatically turns me off. Seems like maybe he is more of an expert in fishing lures!  I would like someone to post some of his comments as to why he doesn't favor carpeting or throw rugs. Does he prefer concrete or hardwood floors? If I have time I'll post my experience with friends in Vietnam who covered the walls and ceilings of their hooches (BOQ rooms) with egg cartons, psychedelic posters and colors, black lights and played In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida on some fine equipment at high levels after a minimum of 6 beers. It sounded great ... man!  |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 25, 2015 0:22:07 GMT -5
I blame the booze , loud music & left handed smokes for me falling I've rethunk driving 70 miles to get back to the wife & am staying at this house for the night , last thing I need is a dui or hurting somebody , I'm gonna call the wife & explain I'm a bit too hammered to drive, I only drank a pint & 2 leftys all day but I'm sure I'm over the limit & i'd rather play it safe , can't risk hurting myself or others , I'm really gonna feel this leg in the morning Thanks for thinking of yourself and others. Safty first. Let me know if you want me to talk to the Mrs.,,,,,,or I can write you an excuse.  Id start it something like this, Dear Mrs. Tolerance, Please excuse your silly husband,,,,,well, you get the idea,,,,,ha,,,,ha,,,,ha,,,,,, |
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Yup & it sucks being old sometimes , I was a contractor/custom builder for 32 years before retiring so it's hard for me to not build & fix everything myself vs subbing it out , we turned all 3 of our businesses over to our sons last year because I can't keep up with it all anymore & now it looks like I'm gonna put them in charge of our homes too , maintaining 2 homes 70 miles apart is too much for me at this point & I'm doing stupid stuff ending up hurt & I've still got the dog kennels to prep this week , I'm the only person at this home , I'm half drunk & if I was seriously hurt tonight nobody would know I learned a lesson tonight that's for sure , i'll keep smoking & drinking but just have the kids do the work Time to sleep this one off & lick my wounds in the am . Have you considered this?  Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!
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Post by saru on Oct 25, 2015 9:22:03 GMT -5
Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! It's definitely been educational, and the advice on building up my system is greatly appreciated. I took a closer look at the ATS Acoustics site and everything appears to be reasonably priced, so I shouldn't have a problem getting a basic room-treatment solution set up in short order. I showed my wife the 24"-by-24" acoustic art panels and she really liked those, so I'll probably get a set of 4 to place 2 on each side wall... and then I may get a pair of bass traps for the corners behind my 60XTs. The larger panel that Garbulky suggested to place on the rear wall won't work in my situation, because my "rear wall" is actually a set of tall storage cabinets that serves to partition the long basement room into a theater space (whose dimensions I gave in first post) and a media storage space behind it (we have a LOT of DVDs, BRs, and games to manage, around 4000 discs and growing!). I should really make a separate thread just about my basement setup with pictures so that you all can see what I'm working with, lol. As to the floor, I'll try to keep an open mind and look for a feasible solution that won't attract too many pet "incidents".
On the gear front, it sounds like I really can't go wrong with the XPA-5 to start out. I do still want to get the XPA-1Ls since they are closing out and I may not get another chance to get these at prices this low. Does anyone know what the remaining stock levels are on the 1L? I did consider getting the XPA-7 to handle everything in one unit for the lowest price, but (1) I'm concerned that the 315wpc under 4ohms is still less than the max 400wpc the 60XTs can take, and (2) if I ended up getting separate amps for the fronts anyway, I'd end up with two channels on the XPA-7 not in use. Is my concern (1) only really an issue under extreme conditions like cranking the volume all the way up?
Regarding the XSP-1, would that still be a necessary (or desired) component even if I were to someday swap out my Denon AVR for the XMC-1? I know that I wouldn't go for the XMC-1 until the hardware refresh that brings in HDCP2.2 (that's coming sometime next year, right?) If the XSP-1 is redundant in a XMC-driven system, I'd probably prefer to leave it out of the equation.
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Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! It's definitely been educational, and the advice on building up my system is greatly appreciated. I took a closer look at the ATS Acoustics site and everything appears to be reasonably priced, so I shouldn't have a problem getting a basic room-treatment solution set up in short order. I showed my wife the 24"-by-24" acoustic art panels and she really liked those, so I'll probably get a set of 4 to place 2 on each side wall... and then I may get a pair of bass traps for the corners behind my 60XTs. The larger panel that Garbulky suggested to place on the rear wall won't work in my situation, because my "rear wall" is actually a set of tall storage cabinets that serves to partition the long basement room into a theater space (whose dimensions I gave in first post) and a media storage space behind it (we have a LOT of DVDs, BRs, and games to manage, around 4000 discs and growing!). I should really make a separate thread just about my basement setup with pictures so that you all can see what I'm working with, lol. As to the floor, I'll try to keep an open mind and look for a feasible solution that won't attract too many pet "incidents". On the gear front, it sounds like I really can't go wrong with the XPA-5 to start out. I do still want to get the XPA-1Ls since they are closing out and I may not get another chance to get these at prices this low. Does anyone know what the remaining stock levels are on the 1L? I did consider getting the XPA-7 to handle everything in one unit for the lowest price, but (1) I'm concerned that the 315wpc under 4ohms is still less than the max 400wpc the 60XTs can take, and (2) if I ended up getting separate amps for the fronts anyway, I'd end up with two channels on the XPA-7 not in use. Is my concern (1) only really an issue under extreme conditions like cranking the volume all the way up? Regarding the XSP-1, would that still be a necessary (or desired) component even if I were to someday swap out my Denon AVR for the XMC-1? I know that I wouldn't go for the XMC-1 until the hardware refresh that brings in HDCP2.2 (that's coming sometime next year, right?) If the XSP-1 is redundant in a XMC-driven system, I'd probably prefer to leave it out of the equation. Saru, the amount of power that the 60XT can take (400 wpc) is simply an estimate and is not in any way meant to be a definitive exact number. It would depend on many thing as in at what frequency the 60XT might take more power like at 100HZ versus at 10,000Hz. Also for what period of time would it take 400 wpc like for one second, ten seconds or continuously. These estimates are to give the user a ballpark figure as to what is needed in an amp for general use. Know that 400 wpc into the 60XT versus 315 wpc is only a very slight increase in volume, perhaps 1-1.5dB's or so. That is a very small increase in volume and just barely noticeable. A 3dB increase in power is considered a small but noticeable increase in sound output and takes twice the power. Twice the power like from 200 wpc to 400 wpc is only a 3dB increase in sound level output. This is a very important relationship to remember. It takes 10 times the power to perceive a sound that seems to be twice as loud. 400 wpc seems to be twice as loud as 40 wpc. This is usually quite surprising to newbies. Many speakers can for instantaneous dynamic peaks of short duration (milliseconds) handle power in excess of the stated max wpc. In a relatively small room such as your, IMO, 315 continuous wpc is plenty. In actual use the XPA amps will put out slightly more power needed to the front channels versus the rear channels. The XPA amps will in fact will produce in excess of the rated power for short instantaneous peaks. The mono amps are just fine for the L&R if you have your heart set on one, but understand that the power output won't be that significant in your case although some folks might claim to be able to hear a slightly cleaner sound from the XPA-1L. Every doubling of power is another +3dB of loudness. So: 2 w = 89 dB 4 w = 92 dB 8 w = 95 dB 16 w = 98 dB 32 w = 101 dB 64 w = 104 dB 128 w = 107 dB 256 w = 110 dB www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/the-decibel-dbwww.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/voltageloudness.html |
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Post by hemster on Oct 25, 2015 20:05:14 GMT -5
Well .......... the links smell strongly of ads and testimonials, which automatically turns me off. Seems like maybe he is more of an expert in fishing lures! I would like someone to post some of his comments as to why he doesn't favor carpeting or throw rugs. Does he prefer concrete or hardwood floors? If I have time I'll post my experience with friends in Vietnam who covered the walls and ceilings of their hooches (BOQ rooms) with egg cartons, psychedelic posters and colors, black lights and played In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida on some fine equipment at high levels after a minimum of 6 beers. It sounded great ... man! Yes, there are ads but that's the case with most websites these days. I like to see testimonials as they tend to add more legitimacy to people's claims online. He certainly is a well respected in audio circles as an expert, especially on acoustic treatments. I learned a lot from his contributions in various forums. Also he is very good about responding to emails sent to him from those forums. I had asked him 3 questions and he answered them all. He has a lot to say about sound treatments here: >> linky <<. |
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Well .......... the links smell strongly of ads and testimonials, which automatically turns me off. Seems like maybe he is more of an expert in fishing lures! I would like someone to post some of his comments as to why he doesn't favor carpeting or throw rugs. Does he prefer concrete or hardwood floors? If I have time I'll post my experience with friends in Vietnam who covered the walls and ceilings of their hooches (BOQ rooms) with egg cartons, psychedelic posters and colors, black lights and played In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida on some fine equipment at high levels after a minimum of 6 beers. It sounded great ... man! Yes, there are ads but that's the case with most websites these days. I like to see testimonials as they tend to add more legitimacy to people's claims online. He certainly is a well respected in audio circles as an expert, especially on acoustic treatments. I learned a lot from his contributions in various forums. Also he is very good about responding to emails sent to him from those forums. I had asked him 3 questions and he answered them all. He has a lot to say about sound treatments here: >> linky <<. I spent the day yesterday limping around & getting chewed out by my wife for drinking an entire 5th of very tasty ( and a gift ) cognac that i was supposed to be saving for my collection , it only felt like a pint though Anyhow i read as much as i could find from ethans postings without buying his book & didnt see him post anything that changes the laws of accoustical physics , he has some good points but all of us long time audiofools know 99% of what he's touting allready , for him to call the use of anything non accoustical panel related snake oil or internet myth is extremely self serving & borderline dishonest. Just as a general point to the op's dilema with his tile floor ( wood floors apply too ) & drywall ceiling , sonically that is a very bad scenario because you never want the sound to be reflected between any 2 paralell surfaces in the room, weather its wall to wall or floor to ceiling, you also dont want sound reflected back twords the source ,this is why most advise carpet & padding , or heavy rugs on the floors , realistically if those reflection points arent addressed adding accoustic panels at reflection points on side & rear walls will do very little to prevent excessive reflections or standing waves . Im of the mind that everybody who's just getting into this hobby & looking at room accoustics should read about reverberant rooms then anechoic rooms , then after understanding why square small rooms & reflective surfaces are sonically bad the person can address room issues starting where they deem is the worst areas 1st . For the record im pro accoustical treatment of a room to the point ive had batton walls & ceilings installed in our HT & Emotiva room ( basically a floating room within a room ) but i dont reccomend anybody spend money on treatments before using what they allready own 1st to address room issues , and having a good understanding of what issues make a room sound good or bad. One more tip to good sound cheaply is NOT to spend big $ on the latest model anything unless you MUST have a certian feature only offered on the latest model , you get way better value per dollar spent buying last years model at 50% less , research exactly what gear you want & buy last yrs models used from audiogon or ebay & you can build a $20,000 system for $5,000 . |
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Post by highfihoney on Oct 26, 2015 19:50:07 GMT -5
Yup & it sucks being old sometimes , I was a contractor/custom builder for 32 years before retiring so it's hard for me to not build & fix everything myself vs subbing it out , we turned all 3 of our businesses over to our sons last year because I can't keep up with it all anymore & now it looks like I'm gonna put them in charge of our homes too , maintaining 2 homes 70 miles apart is too much for me at this point & I'm doing stupid stuff ending up hurt & I've still got the dog kennels to prep this week , I'm the only person at this home , I'm half drunk & if I was seriously hurt tonight nobody would know I learned a lesson tonight that's for sure , i'll keep smoking & drinking but just have the kids do the work Time to sleep this one off & lick my wounds in the am . Have you considered this? Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!
My wife said the same thing when i got home in the morning after seeing my leg , its swollen up way past the knee , if it gets worse i see a hospital trip in the future , one thing is for sure this is my last year doing DIY by myself , in the spring when we come back to this house my kids are prepping everything or i'll sub the work out & just observe . |
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Post by hemster on Oct 26, 2015 19:58:24 GMT -5
Yes, there are ads but that's the case with most websites these days. I like to see testimonials as they tend to add more legitimacy to people's claims online. He certainly is a well respected in audio circles as an expert, especially on acoustic treatments. I learned a lot from his contributions in various forums. Also he is very good about responding to emails sent to him from those forums. I had asked him 3 questions and he answered them all. He has a lot to say about sound treatments here: >> linky <<. I spent the day yesterday limping around & getting chewed out by my wife for drinking an entire 5th of very tasty ( and a gift ) cognac that i was supposed to be saving for my collection , it only felt like a pint though Anyhow i read as much as i could find from ethans postings without buying his book & didnt see him post anything that changes the laws of accoustical physics , he has some good points but all of us long time audiofools know 99% of what he's touting allready , for him to call the use of anything non accoustical panel related snake oil or internet myth is extremely self serving & borderline dishonest. Just as a general point to the op's dilema with his tile floor ( wood floors apply too ) & drywall ceiling , sonically that is a very bad scenario because you never want the sound to be reflected between any 2 paralell surfaces in the room, weather its wall to wall or floor to ceiling, you also dont want sound reflected back twords the source ,this is why most advise carpet & padding , or heavy rugs on the floors , realistically if those reflection points arent addressed adding accoustic panels at reflection points on side & rear walls will do very little to prevent excessive reflections or standing waves . Im of the mind that everybody who's just getting into this hobby & looking at room accoustics should read about reverberant rooms then anechoic rooms , then after understanding why square small rooms & reflective surfaces are sonically bad the person can address room issues starting where they deem is the worst areas 1st . For the record im pro accoustical treatment of a room to the point ive had batton walls & ceilings installed in our HT & Emotiva room ( basically a floating room within a room ) but i dont reccomend anybody spend money on treatments before using what they allready own 1st to address room issues , and having a good understanding of what issues make a room sound good or bad. One more tip to good sound cheaply is NOT to spend big $ on the latest model anything unless you MUST have a certian feature only offered on the latest model , you get way better value per dollar spent buying last years model at 50% less , research exactly what gear you want & buy last yrs models used from audiogon or ebay & you can build a $20,000 system for $5,000 . I'm not disagreeing with any of the things you mention since they make sense. However, Ethan is not saying that only the use of acoustical panels are any good. He is however advocating 2 things: - Beware of over-treating the room - that makes is sonically "dead" which is not good for good sound.
- Many people think that placing rugs makes for decent bass traps - that is simply not the case. To be effective, bass traps need to be quite thick (of the order of 3-9").
Padded sofas, rugs, etc help reflections and even provide a little sound absorption - mainly in the mid to upper frequencies. This is exactly the area of difficulty with overly reflective surfaces (e.g. tile, glass) and so every little bit to reduce reflections help. Given Ethan is into selling his services and products, he would naturally advocate their use. No different than any vendor/service provider. But we should be prudent, do our research and take only those things that we want from what he's saying. |
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Post by highfihoney on Oct 26, 2015 22:03:51 GMT -5
I spent the day yesterday limping around & getting chewed out by my wife for drinking an entire 5th of very tasty ( and a gift ) cognac that i was supposed to be saving for my collection , it only felt like a pint though Anyhow i read as much as i could find from ethans postings without buying his book & didnt see him post anything that changes the laws of accoustical physics , he has some good points but all of us long time audiofools know 99% of what he's touting allready , for him to call the use of anything non accoustical panel related snake oil or internet myth is extremely self serving & borderline dishonest. Just as a general point to the op's dilema with his tile floor ( wood floors apply too ) & drywall ceiling , sonically that is a very bad scenario because you never want the sound to be reflected between any 2 paralell surfaces in the room, weather its wall to wall or floor to ceiling, you also dont want sound reflected back twords the source ,this is why most advise carpet & padding , or heavy rugs on the floors , realistically if those reflection points arent addressed adding accoustic panels at reflection points on side & rear walls will do very little to prevent excessive reflections or standing waves . Im of the mind that everybody who's just getting into this hobby & looking at room accoustics should read about reverberant rooms then anechoic rooms , then after understanding why square small rooms & reflective surfaces are sonically bad the person can address room issues starting where they deem is the worst areas 1st . For the record im pro accoustical treatment of a room to the point ive had batton walls & ceilings installed in our HT & Emotiva room ( basically a floating room within a room ) but i dont reccomend anybody spend money on treatments before using what they allready own 1st to address room issues , and having a good understanding of what issues make a room sound good or bad. One more tip to good sound cheaply is NOT to spend big $ on the latest model anything unless you MUST have a certian feature only offered on the latest model , you get way better value per dollar spent buying last years model at 50% less , research exactly what gear you want & buy last yrs models used from audiogon or ebay & you can build a $20,000 system for $5,000 . I'm not disagreeing with any of the things you mention since they make sense. However, Ethan is not saying that only the use of acoustical panels are any good. He is however advocating 2 things: - Beware of over-treating the room - that makes is sonically "dead" which is not good for good sound.
- Many people think that placing rugs makes for decent bass traps - that is simply not the case. To be effective, bass traps need to be quite thick (of the order of 3-9").
Padded sofas, rugs, etc help reflections and even provide a little sound absorption - mainly in the mid to upper frequencies. This is exactly the area of difficulty with overly reflective surfaces (e.g. tile, glass) and so every little bit to reduce reflections help. Given Ethan is into selling his services and products, he would naturally advocate their use. No different than any vendor/service provider. But we should be prudent, do our research and take only those things that we want from what he's saying. I havent read his book & only have his online posts to go by so im sure i missed much what he is speaking of , your thinking isnt different than mine on accoustics i just think were a bit further ahead than most who ask for help because we've been at it alot longer . I think we push new audio enthusaists into spending money prematurely & for them the money spent usually ends up causing more issues & less understanding . Without getting too far out i'll explain my thinking with new enthusiasts ,i was a mentor at a 2 sites where i taught hydroponics & aeroponics for nearly 20 yrs , both hobbies are highly dependant on room conditions , ive seen a trend where everybody just wants to buy a bunch of gear with a goal in mind & no praticle experience , then end up with many issues , then they throw more money at correcting an issue without properly understanding the issue they have , or paths to correct their issues . Ive allways thought it better to keep new enthusiasts away from spending more before they know exactly what problem they have & the reasons the problem exist , i think it teaches more when we have people work with what they have for gear , furnishings & decorations ect to give better sound before sending them to accoustic items or more gear , i think people learn better taking baby steps & learning not only what to do but why to do it. It isnt that i disagree with the fix its the fast path ive learned to keep new folks off of . |
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Post by creimes on Oct 26, 2015 22:16:15 GMT -5
The picture below shows the treatments I have put up in my room, the only ones not showing are the ones standing behind my left and right towers and it works really really good in my room
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Post by hemster on Oct 26, 2015 22:30:00 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with any of the things you mention since they make sense. However, Ethan is not saying that only the use of acoustical panels are any good. He is however advocating 2 things: - Beware of over-treating the room - that makes is sonically "dead" which is not good for good sound.
- Many people think that placing rugs makes for decent bass traps - that is simply not the case. To be effective, bass traps need to be quite thick (of the order of 3-9").
Padded sofas, rugs, etc help reflections and even provide a little sound absorption - mainly in the mid to upper frequencies. This is exactly the area of difficulty with overly reflective surfaces (e.g. tile, glass) and so every little bit to reduce reflections help. Given Ethan is into selling his services and products, he would naturally advocate their use. No different than any vendor/service provider. But we should be prudent, do our research and take only those things that we want from what he's saying. I havent read his book & only have his online posts to go by so im sure i missed much what he is speaking of , your thinking isnt different than mine on accoustics i just think were a bit further ahead than most who ask for help because we've been at it alot longer . I think we push new audio enthusaists into spending money prematurely & for them the money spent usually ends up causing more issues & less understanding . Without getting too far out i'll explain my thinking with new enthusiasts ,i was a mentor at a 2 sites where i taught hydroponics & aeroponics for nearly 20 yrs , both hobbies are highly dependant on room conditions , ive seen a trend where everybody just wants to buy a bunch of gear with a goal in mind & no praticle experience , then end up with many issues , then they throw more money at correcting an issue without properly understanding the issue they have , or paths to correct their issues . Ive allways thought it better to keep new enthusiasts away from spending more before they know exactly what problem they have & the reasons the problem exist , i think it teaches more when we have people work with what they have for gear , furnishings & decorations ect to give better sound before sending them to accoustic items or more gear , i think people learn better taking baby steps & learning not only what to do but why to do it. It isnt that i disagree with the fix its the fast path ive learned to keep new folks off of . I agree that one shouldn't rush into buying into the latest offerings. No two rooms are the same so a certain level of background research is mandatory education for anyone embarking upon setting up a new system, IMHO. On that front, there's a lot of good reading out there, including Ethan's stuff. For those with DIY skills, making sound panels is an attractive option. But only after doing the basics such as carpets/rugs, speaker placement etc. I spent less than $100 on 7 sound panels I made. The difference they made - priceless! |
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The picture below shows the treatments I have put up in my room, the only ones not showing are the ones standing behind my left and right towers and it works really really good in my room
Chad, is that carpeting with padding hidden underneath? Shame on you. Ethan Winer might not be too complimentary about your room. "Right off the bat i question his logic that carpet & padding are a myth being both products are accoustically absorbitave materials , egg cartons are some elmer fudd stuff though lol ." If it is not C&P then PM me ASAP and I'll remove this post! |
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Post by creimes on Oct 26, 2015 23:45:08 GMT -5
The picture below shows the treatments I have put up in my room, the only ones not showing are the ones standing behind my left and right towers and it works really really good in my room
Chad, is that carpeting with padding hidden underneath? Shame on you. Ethan Winer might not be too complimentary about your room. "Right off the bat i question his logic that carpet & padding are a myth being both products are accoustically absorbitave materials , egg cartons are some elmer fudd stuff though lol ." If it is not C&P then PM me ASAP and I'll remove this post! You are spot on but you missed one thing, I actually have a layer of yellow pages underneath as well to absorb the frequencies of Kenneth I mean 64hz - 81hz BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no but really BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Post by saru on Oct 29, 2015 11:12:32 GMT -5
So, I've been looking into various treatment options for the ceiling (since the floor is a no-go), and it looks like the best option for me might be to install a suspension grid and drop in some acoustic ceiling tiles. Anyone have recommendations for this type of product? An added bonus to putting in a ceiling grid is that it'll make it easier for me to conceal speaker wires when I get around to that stage of this project -- plus, I imagine it might be easier (just guessing) to put in ceiling speakers with a suspension grid rather than having to cut up the drywall ceiling whenever (if ever) I'm ready to dive into the Atmos pool.
I'm practically a reach-for-my-wallet away from placing an order for the XPA-5 and XSP-1. While I am still really interested in the monoblocks, Chuckienut may be right about me not needing that much extra hardware for what may turn out to be minimal gain in my setup... so, it makes sense to run my 60XTs through the XPA-5 for a while and see how they do. Regarding the XSP-1, I'm still on the fence about what to do for a DAC since I'd prefer to wait for Oppo to release the successor to the 105 before laying out that expense. Additionally, I'm not quite ready to replace my Denon AVR for a pre/pro just yet, and I'm hesitant to buy a stand-alone DAC if its near-future destiny is to be a paperweight when Oppo puts out their new player. I know it's not ideal, but would I still enjoy improved SQ if I just used the Denon as the source for the XSP-1? Or would that be a pointless purchase until I have a better DAC solution in place?
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Post by novisnick on Oct 29, 2015 11:31:13 GMT -5
So, I've been looking into various treatment options for the ceiling (since the floor is a no-go), and it looks like the best option for me might be to install a suspension grid and drop in some acoustic ceiling tiles. Anyone have recommendations for this type of product? An added bonus to putting in a ceiling grid is that it'll make it easier for me to conceal speaker wires when I get around to that stage of this project -- plus, I imagine it might be easier (just guessing) to put in ceiling speakers with a suspension grid rather than having to cut up the drywall ceiling whenever (if ever) I'm ready to dive into the Atmos pool. I'm practically a reach-for-my-wallet away from placing an order for the XPA-5 and XSP-1. While I am still really interested in the monoblocks, Chuckienut may be right about me not needing that much extra hardware for what may turn out to be minimal gain in my setup... so, it makes sense to run my 60XTs through the XPA-5 for a while and see how they do. Regarding the XSP-1, I'm still on the fence about what to do for a DAC since I'd prefer to wait for Oppo to release the successor to the 105 before laying out that expense. Additionally, I'm not quite ready to replace my Denon AVR for a pre/pro just yet, and I'm hesitant to buy a stand-alone DAC if its near-future destiny is to be a paperweight when Oppo puts out their new player. I know it's not ideal, but would I still enjoy improved SQ if I just used the Denon as the source for the XSP-1? Or would that be a pointless purchase until I have a better DAC solution in place? The successor to the Oppo 105 would negate the need for the XSP-1 as it is pretty much a player and can be used as a pre amp, personally I think that would be a waist of good money. Spend your coin on the stepped doewn 103 and run it through the exceptional XSP-1. To me, this is the way to go. Ive run my 103 , DC-1, Avr, and TT through the XSP-1 with great success and great sound, equal to the XMC-1 IMHO. |
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like a fool i stepped from the counter over to the island & my foot slipped off the island & tore my shin up , now ive got a skint shin & teal paint fleks on my head & still have to drive 1.5 hours to get back to our other house , my old butt is going to sleep like a baby when i get home , this will be the last yr i winterize our homes & prep them in the spring , next year im subbing this crap out because im getting way too old to be falling off ladders 
