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Post by kkennally on Dec 1, 2015 19:14:06 GMT -5
I have a pair of Airmotiv 6s paired with a DC-1 for computer audio. I am contemplating adding my Rythmik L12 Sub to go with the 6s's or purchasing the stealth 8's. My question is: Would I get the same quality sound using a sealed servo subwoofer (rated down to 18hz) over just a set of 8's?
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Post by garym on Dec 1, 2015 20:07:27 GMT -5
I have a pair of Airmotiv 6s paired with a DC-1 for computer audio. I am contemplating adding my Rythmik L12 Sub to go with the 6s's or purchasing the stealth 8's. My question is: Would I get the same quality sound using a sealed servo subwoofer (rated down to 18hz) over just a set of 8's? I use a pair of Airmotiv 6's with a Polk PSW 505 sub for my PC system. Use that system primarily for auditioning downloadable music tracks. I'm sure the Emotiva guys will urge you to buy the Stealths, but I measured the FR/THD on my Airmotivs when I got them, and the results were impressive --- virtually flat out to 15K Hz, and THD below 0.7% across the spectrum. I doubt the Stealths can do any better. Suggest you keep what you have and add a sub. |
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Post by teaman on Dec 1, 2015 20:12:16 GMT -5
Personally I like the addition of a sub with every system so I say pass on the Stealth 8's and add a sub.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2015 21:44:28 GMT -5
sub
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Post by creimes on Dec 1, 2015 21:48:27 GMT -5
+1 on the sub
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 2, 2015 9:44:26 GMT -5
Well if it's strictly music then the stealths might do better. They can handle all music other than organ pipes, and then you don't have to worry about sub placement in the room and crossovers etc (most people are too ready to gloss over the issues with this); plus you get a lot more power and headroom for the mains. I'd go stealths.
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 2, 2015 9:59:36 GMT -5
I'd say stick with the AM6's and use a sub. I used to have the Stealth 8's and they are great speakers but I still had to use a sub with them because their location in my room was not optimal for bass frequencies, thus the lower frequency capabilities that the Stealth 8's had was wasted. I have the AM4's and used to have the AM5's and your AM6's have to be at least as good as those, which leads me to say that your AM6's plus the sub would work very well.
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 2, 2015 12:59:22 GMT -5
I'd say stick with the AM6's and use a sub. I used to have the Stealth 8's and they are great speakers but I still had to use a sub with them because their location in my room was not optimal for bass frequencies, thus the lower frequency capabilities that the Stealth 8's had was wasted. I have the AM4's and used to have the AM5's and your AM6's have to be at least as good as those, which leads me to say that your AM6's plus the sub would work very well. I see what you're saying, but you may have just had a really bad room or something. The stealth 8's are flat from 30 hz upwards, there is nothing that a sub is going to add to that, for music (which is my assumption since he is using computer + DC-1). I just don't see the point in a sub for this particular setup; how would you even dial in a crossover with the DC-1? |
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 2, 2015 13:24:23 GMT -5
I'd say stick with the AM6's and use a sub. I used to have the Stealth 8's and they are great speakers but I still had to use a sub with them because their location in my room was not optimal for bass frequencies, thus the lower frequency capabilities that the Stealth 8's had was wasted. I have the AM4's and used to have the AM5's and your AM6's have to be at least as good as those, which leads me to say that your AM6's plus the sub would work very well. I see what you're saying, but you may have just had a really bad room or something. The stealth 8's are flat from 30 hz upwards, there is nothing that a sub is going to add to that, for music (which is my assumption since he is using computer + DC-1). I just don't see the point in a sub for this particular setup; how would you even dial in a crossover with the DC-1? You've got a point.. but looking back at the original post, the guy says he would use his Rythmik sub, meaning he has it already so it would seem to me that he ought to try first and see what it sounds like before buying anything. True, the DC-1 has no crossover or bass management ability but the sub itself should have a crossover which I assume could be blended in with the natural rolloff of the AM6's. Also, Stealth 8's are pretty big speakers and that might overwhelm the computer setup depending on how much space is available. Other question is if the sub right now is being used in the main 2 channel setup then what would replace it if it was moved to the computer setup.. unless the OP figured his Magnepans didn't need a sub. Anyway, I still opt for the AM6 with a sub since the Stealth 8's aren't cheap, either. |
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 2, 2015 13:39:54 GMT -5
Ok I admit missing the part where he already has a sub, thought he was thinking of purchasing one; but I didn't notice any cost concerns either.
But couple things yet; why would stealths overload a room that the am6 + sub wouldn't? The stealth is certainly much more capable of volume and dynamics, but doesn't mean you have to use it "full out". They're not going to overload a room any more than when using a rythmic sub.
I just think his setup is THE reason why you would get stealths. It's the sweetspot for them, a bookshelf style speaker, highly capable and powerful, built for accurate playback with something like a DC-1. If you wouldn't recommend a stealth setup for his usage, Emotiva may as well drop the line because that's pretty much what they're built for.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 2, 2015 13:41:20 GMT -5
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Post by monkumonku on Dec 2, 2015 14:09:35 GMT -5
Ok I admit missing the part where he already has a sub, thought he was thinking of purchasing one; but I didn't notice any cost concerns either. But couple things yet; why would stealths overload a room that the am6 + sub wouldn't? The stealth is certainly much more capable of volume and dynamics, but doesn't mean you have to use it "full out". They're not going to overload a room any more than when using a rythmic sub. I just think his setup is THE reason why you would get stealths. It's the sweetspot for them, a bookshelf style speaker, highly capable and powerful, built for accurate playback with something like a DC-1. If you wouldn't recommend a stealth setup for his usage, Emotiva may as well drop the line because that's pretty much what they're built for. What I meant by being overwhelmed by the Stealths was not sound-wise, but physical-size wise. They are pretty darn big and hefty for bookshelf speakers (since they have the amps built in) so that's on the large side for a computer set up. Anyway, my suggestion is since he has the sub already then why not listen to it and see what it sounds like before even thinking about buying anything else. If it isn't to his liking then consider getting the Stealths. Unless he is like a typical audiophile and the real thrill is in buying new gear rather than enjoying what you are listening to.  |
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Post by esquire on Dec 2, 2015 14:26:18 GMT -5
I have the Stealth 8's which sound great without a sub and had no qualms. Having said that, I added a sub which did add quite a bit to the overall sonic experience. I'm very happy with the SQ of the 8's and do not foresee a change in this 2 channel rig anytime soon. With regard to the size and weight, they are powerful and dynamic speakers. Smaller speakers would be hard pressed to compete except perhaps at low listening levels. For me, it's assuring to know that if you are in the mood to rock out, these 8's will satisfy most needs.
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 2, 2015 14:28:15 GMT -5
In a computer setup (ie not home theatre) these stealths will playback any music with authority. There are guys in recording studios who use 6 to 8 inch adam's and other studio monitors that do not dig as deep as these stealths do and mix with them. The bass of the stealth is a non issue, and a sub will not do anything to improve music playback; adding a sub just means you now have to deal with crossover issues. Try and get as smooth a FR with a sub and the AM6 vs the stealth 8's by themeselves; I'd bet a years wages the stealths will be smoother. So you're just focusing on a few little hz at the very bottom at the expense of everything else the stealth 8's will do better. What I meant by being overwhelmed by the Stealths was not sound-wise, but physical-size wise. They are pretty darn big and hefty for bookshelf speakers (since they have the amps built in) so that's on the large side for a computer set up. Anyway, my suggestion is since he has the sub already then why not listen to it and see what it sounds like before even thinking about buying anything else. If it isn't to his liking then consider getting the Stealths. Unless he is like a typical audiophile and the real thrill is in buying new gear rather than enjoying what you are listening to. But if his room his too small for the stealths then it will probably have trouble with a sub too  We can hypothesize like this forever. I agree he can try using his current sub, but he is asking for suggestions / opinions on what will sound better; I maintain that the stealths will, regardless of whether or not he finds the first approach acceptable or not. I just think the stealths will do so much more for the rest of the sound then the am6, rather than fixating on a few db's on the bottom end that he will never detect. Again guys; Emotiva built these speakers to be used as studio monitors, computer playback etc. This is their reason for being, this is where they shine. |
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Post by drtrey3 on Dec 2, 2015 14:36:05 GMT -5
Get the Stealth 8s, then get the sub too!
Trey
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Post by kkennally on Dec 2, 2015 21:35:50 GMT -5
I am now leaning more towards the Stealth 8's. I moved my Rythmik L12 into my smaller computer room (smallest spare bedroom in my house 12'X12')and I am having one hell of a time getting it to blend with my Airmotiv 6s. That being said.....I went to the Emotiva product page to order a pair of Stealth 8's and they are no longer in stock  |
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Post by djreef on Dec 3, 2015 9:11:02 GMT -5
Get the Stealth 8s, then get the sub too! Trey That's what I did. Another thing to take into account is the size of these things. They are big. DJ |
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Post by garym on Dec 3, 2015 10:22:04 GMT -5
True, the DC-1 has no crossover or bass management ability but the sub itself should have a crossover which I assume could be blended in with the natural rolloff of the AM6's. That's what I do. Just use "Y" cables to feed full spectrum to A6s and sub, then set sub rolloff at 80Hz. Here are those REW plots on the A6s: Left:  Right:  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Dec 3, 2015 15:34:49 GMT -5
I have had a sub (not the same one) in my stereo system for almost 30 years. Obviously my view is that they are an essential, regardless of the claimed frequency response of the stereo speakers.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by oneguy on Dec 4, 2015 17:55:47 GMT -5
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We can hypothesize like this forever.
