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Post by jonas on Dec 27, 2015 4:03:58 GMT -5
Hello folks,
I have enjoyed my PT-7030 for a while now. However I miss a good room correction system. I´ve been looking on the MiniDSP DDRC-88A with Dirac Live. It seems to be immensely popular.
However, when buying the PT-7030 I got a 40% discount card for the next generation processor. This means I could buy an XMC-1 if I add a little extra money. That way I would get the process of the sound directly into the pre-stage.
However, the XMC-1 got pretty bad criticism (in some reviews) of the Dirac solution. In one review they chose to completely shut down the Dirac.
But if I buy Dirac Live Full for XMC-1 will it be the same powerful Dirac solution as in the miniDSP DDRC-88A?
Apologize if my English is not properly written.
Best regards
Jonas
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Post by Lsc on Dec 27, 2015 4:15:47 GMT -5
The XMC-1 is a great pre-pro and while the Dirac solution doesn't have the 4 saved slots, it's fine for most people but you need to buy Dirac full. I was holding out on Dirac Full on the xmc-1 until at least 2 slots were provided, but it looks like that may never happen.
I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the XMC-1, however I would wait until March when the HDMI 2.0 board is standard on the XMC-1 since the price you'll pay is the same with the 40% off discount.
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Post by jonas on Dec 27, 2015 4:25:30 GMT -5
The XMC-1 is a great pre-pro and while the Dirac solution doesn't have the 4 saved slots, it's fine for most people but you need to buy Dirac full. I was holding out on Dirac Full on the xmc-1 until at least 2 slots were provided, but it looks like that may never happen. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the XMC-1, however I would wait until March when the HDMI 2.0 board is standard on the XMC-1 since the price you'll pay is the same with the 40% off discount. Well I agree that 1 saved slot isn´t enough I would like as you prefer to have a least 2 slots. One target curve for playing loud and one target curve for more silent listening. I´ll have a couple of month to decide then  Then it would be a major upgrade from PT-7030 if has HDMI 2.0  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 7:31:41 GMT -5
The major benefit to the 88a is you have the freedom to choose whichever pre/pro you choose and still get the benefits of Dirac.
You aren't handcuffed to one. And that way you can choose the features based on what you may or may not want (I.e. Atmos, auro etc)
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Post by millst on Dec 28, 2015 11:45:38 GMT -5
The XMC-1 is a great pre-pro and while the Dirac solution doesn't have the 4 saved slots, it's fine for most people but you need to buy Dirac full. I was holding out on Dirac Full on the xmc-1 until at least 2 slots were provided, but it looks like that may never happen. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the XMC-1, however I would wait until March when the HDMI 2.0 board is standard on the XMC-1 since the price you'll pay is the same with the 40% off discount. Well I agree that 1 saved slot isn´t enough I would like as you prefer to have a least 2 slots. One target curve for playing loud and one target curve for more silent listening. I´ll have a couple of month to decide then Then it would be a major upgrade from PT-7030 if has HDMI 2.0 That doesn't make sense to me. Dirac is room correction. Your room is your room whether you are playing quiet or loud. Dirac isn't about applying F-M loudness curves. Typically, the extra slots are used for things like correcting one seat (solo listening) versus multiple seats. -tm |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 13:58:23 GMT -5
Well I agree that 1 saved slot isn´t enough I would like as you prefer to have a least 2 slots. One target curve for playing loud and one target curve for more silent listening. I´ll have a couple of month to decide then Then it would be a major upgrade from PT-7030 if has HDMI 2.0 That doesn't make sense to me. Dirac is room correction. Your room is your room whether you are playing quiet or loud. Dirac isn't about applying F-M loudness curves. Typically, the extra slots are used for things like correcting one seat (solo listening) versus multiple seats. -tm No. But he could create a curve to resemble a loudness curve. Or create one curve for movies (higher bass for a house curve) and one for music (flat). And change them at the push of a button. A great feature. |
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Post by millst on Dec 28, 2015 20:02:05 GMT -5
Except that the appropriate loudness curve changes with volume. You can only draw the correct one for a single volume level.
-tm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 22:35:56 GMT -5
Except that the appropriate loudness curve changes with volume. You can only draw the correct one for a single volume level. -tm Truth. |
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Post by jonas on Dec 30, 2015 3:28:35 GMT -5
Well I agree that 1 saved slot isn´t enough I would like as you prefer to have a least 2 slots. One target curve for playing loud and one target curve for more silent listening. I´ll have a couple of month to decide then Then it would be a major upgrade from PT-7030 if has HDMI 2.0 That doesn't make sense to me. Dirac is room correction. Your room is your room whether you are playing quiet or loud. Dirac isn't about applying F-M loudness curves. Typically, the extra slots are used for things like correcting one seat (solo listening) versus multiple seats. -tm Yes that is true. Though there is some issues, * A/D -> D/A again (maybe doesn´t make any big difference?), Then comes my subwoofer with integrated DSP and makes A/D -> D/A again  * Adds a lite latency I suppose? * The Phoenix contacts for balanced input/output sucks (no just plug´n play). * Read something about doing room correction after bass management is not the best way for room correction. If anyone can explain this further I would approciate that Overall I still think adding the miniDSP DDRC-88A to the Sherbourn pre-amp would be major improvement for my home cinema. |
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Post by bootman on Dec 30, 2015 10:18:42 GMT -5
* Read something about doing room correction after bass management is not the best way for room correction. If anyone can explain this further I would approciate that This was the same criticism made of the UMC-1 way back when yet those same folks now use a 88A. hum.....  |
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Post by millst on Dec 30, 2015 10:20:22 GMT -5
The latency of the 88a solution is not significantly different than Emotiva's. I believe you can see the channel delay/gain settings with the 88A, which would be an improvement. They are viewable on the PC software implementation.
The 88A implementation is the generally accepted best place for room correction (after BM). It's the same with the XMC-1. The nanoAVR does correction before BM, which has a fairly major con. Basically, you are applying filters calculated for your main speakers to any bass redirected to the subwoofer.
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Post by bootman on Dec 30, 2015 10:22:26 GMT -5
The latency of the 88a solution is not significantly different than Emotiva's. I believe you can see the channel delay/gain settings with the 88A, which would be an improvement. They are viewable on the PC software implementation. The 88A implementation is the generally accepted best place for room correction (after BM). It's the same with the XMC-1. The nanoAVR does correction before BM, which has a fairly major con. Basically, you are applying filters calculated for your main speakers to any bass redirected to the subwoofer. -tm Thanks for the clarification! |
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