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Post by eirik84 on Jan 15, 2016 11:54:39 GMT -5
Anyone know if the XDA-2 is discontinued?
Dissapeared from the website about a month ago..
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 15, 2016 13:07:13 GMT -5
Yes, the XDA-2 was an "end of life" product and has been discontinued. You might call Emotiva directly and inquire about possible "B-Stock" availability.
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Post by eirik84 on Jan 24, 2016 9:26:10 GMT -5
Got an email from Emotiva confirming what doc1963 said. Discontinued and there wont be a new X-series DAC  |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 24, 2016 14:05:28 GMT -5
Got an email from Emotiva confirming what doc1963 said. Discontinued and there wont be a new X-series DAC More of Big Dan changing his mind again I guess. About a year ago he certainly implied there would be a rack sized dac with the Sound quality of the dc-1 or better. We assumed it would be the XDA-3. Perhaps it will be the new Emersa line instead? This is one product I have been waiting for and if its no longer in the cards I will be disappointed. If there is no replacement that tells me it just wasn't popular enough to make good money, and I can't fault them for that. |
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Post by KeithL on Jan 24, 2016 15:38:30 GMT -5
Let me confuse you even more....  It is POSSIBLE that there will EVENTUALLY be a "direct successor" to the XDA-2 (whatever exactly that means), and we might even call it an XDA-3, but there is currently no such model on the drawing board, which means that it's really unlikely that it will happen in the next six months - if at all. And, if it ever does come to pass, it may look quite different from the XDA-2 Gen2... or it may not. (And, yes, there is an Emersa device that has both digital and analog inputs, and has the "full-width low profile form factor", and it includes both digital and analog inputs. We also eventually plan a desktop member of the Ego line, with more inputs and features, but that's also a ways down the line.) (This may be a silly question, but do you really want us to keep making the XDA-2 forever, rather than new DACs, with new features and capabilities? If you actually wanted an XDA-2, you had plenty of time to buy one, right? As of now, we have three product lines with digital inputs: The DC-1, the Emersa line, and the Egos...  ) Got an email from Emotiva confirming what doc1963 said. Discontinued and there wont be a new X-series DAC More of Big Dan changing his mind again I guess. About a year ago he certainly implied there would be a rack sized dac with the Sound quality of the dc-1 or better. We assumed it would be the XDA-3. Perhaps it will be the new Emersa line instead? This is one product I have been waiting for and if its no longer in the cards I will be disappointed. If there is no replacement that tells me it just wasn't popular enough to make good money, and I can't fault them for that. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 25, 2016 10:24:26 GMT -5
Let me confuse you even more.... It is POSSIBLE that there will EVENTUALLY be a "direct successor" to the XDA-2 (whatever exactly that means), and we might even call it an XDA-3, but there is currently no such model on the drawing board, which means that it's really unlikely that it will happen in the next six months - if at all. And, if it ever does come to pass, it may look quite different from the XDA-2 Gen2... or it may not. Wow, I think that may be (or may not be  ) the most politically correct B.S. statement you've ever posted Keith. An answer that doesn't really answer anything. Nice. Well it sounds like that may be my new option from Emotiva. No. You see there are 2 reasons I didn't buy an XDA-2. First, it did not contain Emotiva's best effort in the DAC realm. The DC-1 was better, straight from Emotiva's mouth (as is the XMC-1). Why anyone would want to buy a "second rate" device when a better one knowingly exists I'm not sure. (Part of what I consider strange decision making on Emotiva's part but that's just me.) Second, I don't want a headphone amp and volume control for a rack mounted stereo unit. A complete waste of money in my opinion. Also, I don't want that extra volume knob out there for unknowing people (like a wife for example) to accidentally turn when they shouldn't be. Like I said, the Emersa may be the ticket so i will have to check that out. |
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Post by garbulky on Jan 25, 2016 10:44:24 GMT -5
Come now BonzoKeith just revealed to you the possibility of a new desktop DAC product. But basically said no promises as it's not out yet. That's pretty good info  I get your reasons for an XDA-2. However one thing the XDA-2 did have was more inputs over the DC-1. Also it is more home theater friendly in size (stackable). But I personally prefer the DC-1. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 25, 2016 10:55:57 GMT -5
Come now BonzoKeith just revealed to you the possibility of a new desktop DAC product. But basically said no promises as it's not out yet. That's pretty good info Maybe for some, sure. But, first, I'm not currently interested in a desktop product (if I were, I'd probably have gotten the DC-1 by now). Second, when it comes from Emotiva, statements like this mean very little to me. See my first post above. They change their minds too much, and the lack of an XDA-3 is just another example. Big Dan strongly hinted last year in a forgotten thread that there would in fact be such an animal. Now there isn't. So I now take much of what they say with a grain of salt until it actually manifests itself. Yep, the more inputs the better. I also hoped the XDA-3 would have a digital bypass output too, but I always knew that was a very long shot since no one seems to be making a standalone DAC with that. Hence my new desire to find a good Toslink splitter for which I started a thread for last week. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jan 25, 2016 11:12:15 GMT -5
I picked up an XDA-2 Gen 2 locally for $150 and it may be the best deal I've ever made. It's a really good DAC but I will say that Amarra is doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
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Post by copperpipe on Jan 25, 2016 12:16:46 GMT -5
Wow, I think that may be (or may not be ) the most politically correct B.S. statement you've ever posted Keith. An answer that doesn't really answer anything. Nice. Do you have to find fault with everything? The man straight out told you "there is no direct succsesor to the xda-2 in the works", maybe you want a map?  Don't get hung up on product names. If you can't find what you're looking for (in terms of "like an xda-2") in the up and coming product line then you're probably not looking hard enough. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 25, 2016 12:27:18 GMT -5
Do you have to find fault with everything? The man straight out told you "there is no direct succsesor to the xda-2 in the works", maybe you want a map? Straight out? I don't think you and I read the same post. He stated then retracted everything he said. Yes, then no. Maybe, but probably not. Will, then won't. Might, but might not. It was a politicians answer. Maybe Keith should run for President. I might vote for him before Hillary or Donald. I'm not hung up on names. If the Emersa DAC does what I want as least as well as the DC-1, has the multiple inputs I want, doesn't have a wasted headphone amp in it, and has the shape of a rack component, then I will most certainly be looking at it. I'm in no rush so that makes it easy to wait. |
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Post by copperpipe on Jan 25, 2016 17:39:47 GMT -5
Do you have to find fault with everything? The man straight out told you "there is no direct succsesor to the xda-2 in the works", maybe you want a map? Straight out? I don't think you and I read the same post. He stated then retracted everything he said. Yes, then no. Maybe, but probably not. Will, then won't. Might, but might not. It was a politicians answer. Maybe Keith should run for President. I might vote for him before Hillary or Donald. I'm not hung up on names. If the Emersa DAC does what I want as least as well as the DC-1, has the multiple inputs I want, doesn't have a wasted headphone amp in it, and has the shape of a rack component, then I will most certainly be looking at it. I'm in no rush so that makes it easy to wait. Direct quote: "there is currently no such model on the drawing board". The rest is saying, if they do make an "xda-3", there is no firm plan to make it look like the xda2. Makes sense, no? Can't describe plans for a device you have no plans to build. The reason why it sounds political, is because if in 2 months they do get the desire to build such a device, some here will quote his post and lament the fact they already purchased some other device because E "promised" nothing was happening. See how that works? _Any_ answer given will be used as troll bait against them in the future by a disgruntled member of the lounge |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 25, 2016 17:50:04 GMT -5
The reason why it sounds political, is because if in 2 months they do get the desire to build such a device, some here will quote his post and lament the fact they already purchased some other device because E "promised" nothing was happening. See how that works? _Any_ answer given will be used as troll bait against them in the future by a disgruntled member of the lounge And that's why he probably shouldn't have answered at all. But a more direct answer woulda coulda shoulda have been something like, "at this time, the XDA-2 has been discontinued, and there is no X-Series replacement in the works or even currently on the drawing board. There is however an Emersa line DAC in the works with actual release date TBD. There is also a new desk top DAC in the works which will give Emotiva a total of 4 stand alone DAC products." That would have been truthful and correct with no back and forth B.S. |
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Post by copperpipe on Jan 25, 2016 20:21:53 GMT -5
The reason why it sounds political, is because if in 2 months they do get the desire to build such a device, some here will quote his post and lament the fact they already purchased some other device because E "promised" nothing was happening. See how that works? _Any_ answer given will be used as troll bait against them in the future by a disgruntled member of the lounge And that's why he probably shouldn't have answered at all. But a more direct answer woulda coulda shoulda have been something like, "at this time, the XDA-2 has been discontinued, and there is no X-Series replacement in the works or even currently on the drawing board. There is however an Emersa line DAC in the works with actual release date TBD. There is also a new desk top DAC in the works which will give Emotiva a total of 4 stand alone DAC products." That would have been truthful and correct with no back and forth B.S. Yes, but that's basically exactly what he said, with a little bit of playful humour thrown in between (note the use of his emojii there). I dunno, not worth arguing over further, but I didn't see any BS in what he wrote. There is a very small / product specific forum I sometimes visit where the owner of said product is so stiff and formal it takes the life / joy out of conversation. I kind of like this forum and the people who frequent it; spicy at times, with a touch of dry wit |
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Post by nashspacerocket on Jun 16, 2016 14:28:18 GMT -5
i have to say I'm disapointed.
i have an xda-1 which i love because it has enough digital inputs to take care of all my devices.
The main problem with most audiophile DAC's is that they never have enough inputs.
i have a cd player.
dvd player
satellite box
multi format player bluray/dvd/cd
the xda series were one of the few budget series that handled all of that.
the DC-1 is too expensive for me with not enough inputs.
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Post by repeetavx on Jun 16, 2016 14:45:00 GMT -5
It's a pity that the Emersa EMP-1 is just one input short.  Well maybe two. |
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Post by Axis on Jun 16, 2016 14:45:56 GMT -5
i have to say I'm disapointed. i have an xda-1 which i love because it has enough digital inputs to take care of all my devices. The main problem with most audiophile DAC's is that they never have enough inputs. i have a cd player. dvd player satellite box multi format player bluray/dvd/cd the xda series were one of the few budget series that handled all of that. the DC-1 is too expensive for me with not enough inputs. Really ? There are new products coming and if I know Big Dan he is thinking about those just like you that need a budget DAC with multiple inputs. The Ego's are a simple DAC for many that do not need but one or two inputs. There is no way in my mind after they have made and sold the XDA DAC's that they not working on a replacement for it. It may not be announced and may just pop up. That is how they are doing things now. I have feeling they are working on a lot things we do not know about. They used to tell us and now unless it is on the way to production we do not hear about it. The Emersa, Airmotiv and BasX are on the factory floor and that is the only reason we know of them. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 16, 2016 19:01:17 GMT -5
Got an email from Emotiva confirming what doc1963 said. Discontinued and there wont be a new X-series DAC More of Big Dan changing his mind again I guess. About a year ago he certainly implied there would be a rack sized dac with the Sound quality of the dc-1 or better. We assumed it would be the XDA-3. Perhaps it will be the new Emersa line instead? This is one product I have been waiting for and if its no longer in the cards I will be disappointed. If there is no replacement that tells me it just wasn't popular enough to make good money, and I can't fault them for that. Part of a CEO's role is to rapidly adjust to changing market demands, technical trends and other factors all within a goal of profitability. So, I find it's important to ALWAYS consider a company's leader's remarks as fluid and in no way a promise. They just aren't wired that way. |
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Post by knucklehead on Jun 16, 2016 20:29:35 GMT -5
I suspect we'll see more preamps with digital inputs. The XSP-1 with an internal DAC would be a nice option - so would an integrated amp from Emotiva - especially if it has class d amps.
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Post by Loop 7 on Jun 16, 2016 20:49:40 GMT -5
I suspect we'll see more preamps with digital inputs. The XSP-1 with an internal DAC would be a nice option - so would an integrated amp from Emotiva - especially if it has class d amps. 100% agree with you. It seems like onboard DACs are becoming the norm. |
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