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Post by minthral on Jan 23, 2016 13:06:16 GMT -5
I read people bought and use a different mic than what comes with XMC-1. Specifically the minidsp umik-1. Why are people doing this? What's wrong with the normal mic? Seems to work fine for me...
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jan 23, 2016 13:12:42 GMT -5
Mics like the UMIK-1 are calibrated; hence, giving you a more accurate room read. As result, Dirac would give your better performance, because it would have more accurate numbers for your room. If you get the mic, use the 90 degree calibrated file for Dirac.
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Post by millst on Jan 23, 2016 13:30:50 GMT -5
I heard the UMIK-1 is more rugged. Some people already had them for use with RoomEQ or other software.
You can always get your XMC-1 mic calibrated. It's cheaper than buying a UMIK-1, but you would lose it if you sold the XMC-1.
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Post by Talley on Jan 23, 2016 13:56:53 GMT -5
Calibration only. It's why I bought mine.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 23, 2016 14:02:08 GMT -5
I got my UMIK-1 for the sole reason at the time to use with REW and the P-EQ in the UMC-200. Since DIRAC has support for the UMIK-1, I figured why not give it a try with the XMC-1 Dirac setup, not to mention what others have already stated, it has it's own unique calibration files.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jan 23, 2016 14:12:16 GMT -5
I read people bought and use a different mic than what comes with XMC-1. Specifically the minidsp umik-1. Why are people doing this? What's wrong with the normal mic? Seems to work fine for me... I bought a calibrated Umik-1 from Cross-Spectrum to use with Dirac full version for my XMC-1 because a lot of lounge members have found that it was more accurate than the Emotiva original mic, and I tried the calibrated file from Cross-Spectrum and also the calibrated file from Umik-1, I found that both results (several Dirac runs) were inferior to the original Emo-mic, lack of dynamic and decay, and lost of live sounding, personally I largely prefer the original Emo-mic results. |
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jan 23, 2016 14:20:50 GMT -5
I got my UMIK-1 for the sole reason at the time to use with REW and the P-EQ in the UMC-200. Since DIRAC has support for the UMIK-1, I figured why not give it a try with the XMC-1 Dirac setup, not to mention what others have already stated, it has it's own unique calibration files. Unlike many lounge members, I prefer the original Emo-mic results instead of the Umik-1. Am I the only one? Maybe, but it will not be a premiere. |
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Post by millst on Jan 23, 2016 19:27:15 GMT -5
You are not the only one. The UMIK-1 and the Emo-mic will give the same results, assuming both are individually calibrated.
-tm
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jan 23, 2016 21:03:15 GMT -5
You are not the only one. The UMIK-1 and the Emo-mic will give the same results, assuming both are individually calibrated. -tm In theory you are right. In fact the Umik-1 from Cross-Spectrum that I tried was individually calibrated and the Emo-mic using a generic calibration file for all Emo-mic, so in theory the advantage most be for the Umik-1 but I largely prefer the Emo-mic results. Maybe it is just a matter of tastes and I prefer a more imperfect results but the most important thing is to my ears the sounds is more opened, live and dynamic. Anyway I can not explain the reason why. |
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Post by socketman on Jan 23, 2016 22:55:51 GMT -5
The Umik 1 has more data points in its calibration file which give Dirac better accuracy, plus you get the sensitivity file for use in REW so you have a reference.
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Post by rontj on Feb 8, 2016 22:40:48 GMT -5
I have the UMIK-1 (for REW, though not yet used). How do I go about associating/using the appropriate 90 degree calibration file if I wish to run Dirac with the UMIK-1? is Dirac Live Full required? I purchased Dirac Live Full Sunday, should receive the key from Emotiva soon.
Thank you.
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Post by geebo on Feb 8, 2016 22:59:12 GMT -5
I have the UMIK-1 (for REW, though not yet used). How do I go about associating/using the appropriate 90 degree calibration file if I wish to run Dirac with the UMIK-1? is Dirac Live Full required? I purchased Dirac Live Full Sunday, should receive the key from Emotiva soon. Thank you. Dirac Live full is required to use a different mic. In the setup for Dirac you will be able to point to the proper cal file. That option is not in the lite version. |
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Post by rontj on Feb 9, 2016 0:51:59 GMT -5
I have the UMIK-1 (for REW, though not yet used). How do I go about associating/using the appropriate 90 degree calibration file if I wish to run Dirac with the UMIK-1? is Dirac Live Full required? I purchased Dirac Live Full Sunday, should receive the key from Emotiva soon. Thank you. Dirac Live full is required to use a different mic. In the setup for Dirac you will be able to point to the proper cal file. That option is not in the lite version. Thank you, geebo. |
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Post by Lsc on Feb 9, 2016 1:23:06 GMT -5
However, per someone from the Emo forums, you can set a default calibration file and set it as read only.
I did this with Socketmans calibration file. Thus far the best calibration file for Dirac LE and the Emo mic.
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Post by geebo on Feb 9, 2016 7:56:11 GMT -5
However, per someone from the Emo forums, you can set a default calibration file and set it as read only. I did this with Socketmans calibration file. Thus far the best calibration file for Dirac LE and the Emo mic. True, but you must still use the EMM-1 with that method. |
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Post by yves on Feb 9, 2016 14:08:33 GMT -5
USB mics like the UMIK-1 are single channel. In the document linked below, at the bottom of page 9 can be found a tech explanation why a dual channel system can yield more accurate frequency response measurements than a single channel system so, instead of the UMIK-1, I recommend getting a calibrated Dayton EMM-6 (non USB) from Cross-Spectrum Labs, use it in conjunction with e.g. a Steinberg UR22 (or UR22mkII) and a loopback cable, and enable the "Use loopback as timing reference" option in REW (not to be confused with calibration of the soundcard). marjan.fesb.hr/~mateljan/arta/papers/im-aaaa2003.pdf |
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Post by XTC on Feb 10, 2016 8:35:41 GMT -5
The same reason anyone replaces stock parts that come with any piece of equipment. They're trying to tweak every last bit of quality sound out the their gear. Whether there is actual improvement or its in their heads is the never ending debate. Unless you find someone with the exact same gear, the exact same room characteristics, the exact same preferences in what sounds "good", etc. as you, you might not agree with the results they report. That's why you're seeing people with differing opinions regarding the mics. If you're happy with the results you get from the Emo mic and aren't into fiddling with everything ad nuseum I wouldn't worry about it. If you like to constantly tweak your setup and have the disposable income to invest in a new mic, go for it and have fun!
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Post by geebo on Feb 10, 2016 8:54:16 GMT -5
USB mics like the UMIK-1 are single channel. In the document linked below, at the bottom of page 9 can be found a tech explanation why a dual channel system can yield more accurate frequency response measurements than a single channel system so, instead of the UMIK-1, I recommend getting a calibrated Dayton EMM-6 (non USB) from Cross-Spectrum Labs, use it in conjunction with e.g. a Steinberg UR22 (or UR22mkII) and a loopback cable, and enable the "Use loopback as timing reference" option in REW (not to be confused with calibration of the soundcard). marjan.fesb.hr/~mateljan/arta/papers/im-aaaa2003.pdfBut if I'm not mistaken he's talkng about using the XMC and Dirac. Not REW. |
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Post by yves on Feb 10, 2016 19:42:33 GMT -5
USB mics like the UMIK-1 are single channel. In the document linked below, at the bottom of page 9 can be found a tech explanation why a dual channel system can yield more accurate frequency response measurements than a single channel system so, instead of the UMIK-1, I recommend getting a calibrated Dayton EMM-6 (non USB) from Cross-Spectrum Labs, use it in conjunction with e.g. a Steinberg UR22 (or UR22mkII) and a loopback cable, and enable the "Use loopback as timing reference" option in REW (not to be confused with calibration of the soundcard). marjan.fesb.hr/~mateljan/arta/papers/im-aaaa2003.pdfBut if I'm not mistaken he's talkng about using the XMC and Dirac. Not REW. Yeah, but in Dirac Full you can play with the target curves so you can actually fine tune the XMC with that if you know what you are doing. So if that's what you are after, REW / ARTA in conjunction with a dual channel measurement system is going to help you *see* more accurately what exactly it is you are doing in Dirac Full. |
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