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Post by minthral on Jan 28, 2016 23:29:39 GMT -5
Doing some digging, it seems that only the L ans R channels are actually balanced. All other channels are not balanced despite there being there being a XLR connection. This means you can use RCA cables to these channels and there is no benefit in XLR cables...is this correct or am I missing something?
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jan 29, 2016 0:47:33 GMT -5
Correct, but using XLR with other channels give a better noise immunity "I think". Is someone can confirm that?
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Post by cwt on Jan 29, 2016 1:07:47 GMT -5
Doing some digging, it seems that only the L ans R channels are actually balanced. All other channels are not balanced despite there being there being a XLR connection. This means you can use RCA cables to these channels and there is no benefit in XLR cables...is this correct or am I missing something? The reference stereo channels are balanced input to output minthral ; all others are balanced in converted to single ended then converted back to balanced for output . Because their truly converted back to balanced [ unlike some other makes models ] you still get common mode noise rejection/ cancellation if your next component is also balanced as it should be  This has advantages over long cable runs There is word that the xmr1 will be fully balanced on all inputs ; this is rare as it requires duplication of all the circuitry . |
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Post by hemster on Jan 29, 2016 1:53:00 GMT -5
As cwt said above, XLR is useful for long cable runs. Otherwise there's little benefit, other than matching the L & R cables. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jan 29, 2016 2:30:57 GMT -5
I would add that the longer the run the more likely that XLR / balanced connections will avoid induced noise.
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Post by vneal on Jan 29, 2016 7:50:16 GMT -5
XLR cables appear to be a more solid connection. At least to me
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Post by geebo on Jan 29, 2016 7:56:11 GMT -5
And there is a stronger signal using the XLRs. About 3dB or so. That may or may not be a benefit to you.
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Post by Axis on Jan 29, 2016 8:26:50 GMT -5
XLR's are just cool ! I am using them with my DC-1 and Airmotiv monitors. The big ole round plug that locks with a trigger on the female end. Just plain Manly connections with three contacts. It says "I am better than a RCA and don't you forget it". When your neighbor comes over that does not know about them and see's them and then leaves, you are like, Now he knows I know about stereos. When you post in the audio forums online you tell everybody that you have them and tell everybody they are better and you are the XLR Man !
Excuse me gentlemen. I have to go check my XLR connections. Don't want any 'Hum' you know.
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Post by geebo on Jan 29, 2016 8:35:40 GMT -5
XLR's are just cool ! I am using them with my DC-1 and Airmotiv monitors. The big ole round plug that locks with a trigger on the female end. Just plain Manly connections with three contacts. It says "I am better than a RCA and don't you forget it". When your neighbor comes over that does not know about them and see's them and then leaves, you are like, Now he knows I know about stereos. When you post in the audio forums online you tell everybody that you have them and tell everybody they are better and you are the XLR Man ! Excuse me gentlemen. I have to go check my XLR connections. Don't want any 'Hum' you know. ^ And there is that, too.  |
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Post by simpleman68 on Jan 29, 2016 9:12:04 GMT -5
XLR's are just cool ! I am using them with my DC-1 and Airmotiv monitors. The big ole round plug that locks with a trigger on the female end. Just plain Manly connections with three contacts. It says "I am better than a RCA and don't you forget it". When your neighbor comes over that does not know about them and see's them and then leaves, you are like, Now he knows I know about stereos. When you post in the audio forums online you tell everybody that you have them and tell everybody they are better and you are the XLR Man ! Excuse me gentlemen. I have to go check my XLR connections. Don't want any 'Hum' you know. That's pretty good. LOL Scott |
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Post by Lsc on Jan 29, 2016 9:52:37 GMT -5
Doing some digging, it seems that only the L ans R channels are actually balanced. All other channels are not balanced despite there being there being a XLR connection. This means you can use RCA cables to these channels and there is no benefit in XLR cables...is this correct or am I missing something? The reference stereo channels are balanced input to output minthral ; all others are balanced in converted to single ended then converted back to balanced for output . Because their truly converted back to balanced [ unlike some other makes models ] you still get common mode noise rejection/ cancellation if your next component is also balanced as it should be This has advantages over long cable runs There is word that the xmr1 will be fully balanced on all inputs ; this is rare as it requires duplication of all the circuitry . I don't think all the other channels are balanced in. There are only balanced inputs for the L & R. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jan 29, 2016 10:01:07 GMT -5
XLR's are just cool ! I am using them with my DC-1 and Airmotiv monitors. The big ole round plug that locks with a trigger on the female end. Just plain Manly connections with three contacts. It says "I am better than a RCA and don't you forget it". When your neighbor comes over that does not know about them and see's them and then leaves, you are like, Now he knows I know about stereos. When you post in the audio forums online you tell everybody that you have them and tell everybody they are better and you are the XLR Man ! Excuse me gentlemen. I have to go check my XLR connections. Don't want any 'Hum' you know. So in other words, RCA is like a castrated XLR.  |
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Post by geebo on Jan 29, 2016 10:12:19 GMT -5
The reference stereo channels are balanced input to output minthral ; all others are balanced in converted to single ended then converted back to balanced for output . Because their truly converted back to balanced [ unlike some other makes models ] you still get common mode noise rejection/ cancellation if your next component is also balanced as it should be This has advantages over long cable runs There is word that the xmr1 will be fully balanced on all inputs ; this is rare as it requires duplication of all the circuitry . I don't think all the other channels are balanced in. There are only balanced inputs for the L & R. I believe the outputs are balanced for all channels but only the left and right front are fully differential in to out. |
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Post by dksosku on Jan 29, 2016 10:39:12 GMT -5
I recently changed all my cables to XLR. The connections are secure and they do look really cool. Mine are short run so wasn't expecting any sonic difference.
Axis.. i too am a XLR Man now :-)
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Post by cwt on Jan 29, 2016 11:16:49 GMT -5
I don't think all the other channels are balanced in. There are only balanced inputs for the L & R. I believe the outputs are balanced for all channels but only the left and right front are fully differential in to out. That's more accurate geebo ; Lsc spotted something I should have reread; its more important to distinguish the single ended inputs from the xlr balanced - I was thinking of the separate single ended conversion other makes do to their balanced xlr in . Main thing is their all balanced out . |
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Post by bootman on Jan 29, 2016 13:35:16 GMT -5
If your amps can take them, why not use them. They are a much more secure connection than RCAs. But my choice in cables has little to do with SQ differences anyway. |
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Post by yves on Jan 29, 2016 17:47:48 GMT -5
If your amps can take them, why not use them. It's because almost everyone uses them. So my RCA cables make my system less boring. |
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Post by Bonzo on Jan 29, 2016 19:34:21 GMT -5
Well they do double up speaker outputs, so it makes it easy to passively bi-amp if you so desire.
No such luck on the new Anthem 60 unit.
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