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Post by B-613 Command on Feb 11, 2016 18:59:49 GMT -5
I bought some speaker cables from Emotiva a year ago or so - seems I remember they were UPA series cables. I loved them because they had banana plugs on the ends that could be removed to reveal push-pins which I need for my old 1995 receiver. Anyway - I bought some Z SS speaker cables thinking that's what I bought before but they're not. What are the plugs on these things  ? The web page says "banana plugs" but they do not fit into anything I own that has banana connectors and that includes an Emotiva receiver. If I push with up to about 50 pounds of pressure it doesn't go into anything I own. The 5-way binding posts on the back of my Krell amp as well as the binding posts on the Fusion receiver are plastic. I'm not pushing any harder than that. I bought some Emo interconnects - RCA. I have at least 2 of those where 50 pounds of pressure is not enough to insert them so they're essentially unusable. I could push harder to get them on but then i'd need a vice wrench to get them off and i'm afraid i'll damage my equipment using heavy tools like that on them. Seriously - nowadays it seems like the best thing to do is order twice as many interconnects as you need and send back the ones that are too tight to go onto anything. But what are these plugs on the ends of the Z SS speaker cables ? They are definitely NOT banana plugs. |
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Post by mshump on Feb 11, 2016 19:07:44 GMT -5
Are they locking bananas ? If they are there is a knurled nut you turn, and then they loosen and re-tighten once inserted until its tightened. I hope I'm making sense.
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Post by solarrdadd on Feb 11, 2016 19:47:10 GMT -5
how about posting a picture of the cables to include a close up of the banana plug as well as the push-pin connector inside of it. also, can you give us a link to the web page you mentioned? these things would help.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 11, 2016 21:00:06 GMT -5
I use the 1 metre long X Series speaker cables and they are rather difficult (much grunting required) to insert into the female plugs on the amps (XPA-1L's) but are quite free in the speakers.
Cheers Gary
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 11, 2016 21:01:25 GMT -5
I bought some speaker cables from Emotiva a year ago or so - seems I remember they were UPA series cables. I loved them because they had banana plugs on the ends that could be removed to reveal push-pins which I need for my old 1995 receiver. Anyway - I bought some Z SS speaker cables thinking that's what I bought before but they're not. What are the plugs on these things ? The web page says "banana plugs" but they do not fit into anything I own that has banana connectors and that includes an Emotiva receiver. If I push with up to about 50 pounds of pressure it doesn't go into anything I own. The 5-way binding posts on the back of my Krell amp as well as the binding posts on the Fusion receiver are plastic. I'm not pushing any harder than that. I bought some Emo interconnects - RCA. I have at least 2 of those where 50 pounds of pressure is not enough to insert them so they're essentially unusable. I could push harder to get them on but then i'd need a vice wrench to get them off and i'm afraid i'll damage my equipment using heavy tools like that on them. Seriously - nowadays it seems like the best thing to do is order twice as many interconnects as you need and send back the ones that are too tight to go onto anything. But what are these plugs on the ends of the Z SS speaker cables ? They are definitely NOT banana plugs. Do you mean the ones below? Those are banana plugs. The wide parts are supposed to compress when you insert them into the speaker jacks to maintain a tighter fit. They ought to go in but you have to apply some pressure to compress the angled parts of the pin.  |
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Post by pedrocols on Feb 11, 2016 22:15:37 GMT -5
Just close your eyes and proceed to, gently but assertively, insert the banana....  |
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Post by butchgo on Feb 11, 2016 22:26:26 GMT -5
I'm kinda embarrassed for some reason.
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Post by creimes on Feb 11, 2016 23:38:42 GMT -5
I have these cables between my Behringer amp and subs and yes they are tight to get in but I just tilted side to side while pushing and it worked perfect, just wait did that sound kinda dirty  |
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Post by B-613 Command on Feb 12, 2016 10:18:00 GMT -5
So these "plugs" are supposed to be banana plugs. I must have gotten a bad batch of them. There is no way any human being other than Arnold can get these into anything. Unless Emotiva will repair my broken connectors i'm not pushing harder than about 50 pounds into a plastic connector and maybe 80 pounds into a metal connector (harder than that and you'll never get them back out). My amp weighs about 60 pounds. If I lift it with one hand - not easy to do - use that as a guage - push that hard on the connector and if it doesn't go in then I know i'll never get it back out even if I do get it in. I had that problem with one of these Emo RCA interconnects i'm using as an unbalanced connection to the Krell from my Emotiva Fusion 8100. It takes about 80 to 100 pounds of pressure - i'm guessing - it's about twice as hard as lifting my Krell amp - then minus a wimp factor - i'm an old man - say 90 pounds of force to get it in which I did - but then when I realized Emotiva has everything backwards on the backs of their equipment - the right side connections are on the left side of the device and vice-versa - so I had to swap them and I couldn't get my 90 pounder out. I had to take everything else off of it - remove it from the entertainment center and use both hands and my feet to get it out. Wile E. Coyote was proud of me. That is just plain ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than that is that I pushed it right back in 5 minutes later having completely forgotten what I just went thru. It's called senility. My wife has another word for it. Assuming Emo no longer makes the speaker wires I got from them a year ago or so - i'll buy my interconnects elsewhere from now on. I'm sending these back to Emo. I'm not Ahhnold. Connectors aggravate me. Emo prices are not so bad but so many interconnects are expensive. So if I get a box full of connectors some of them fit fine and some are quite tight and a few are impossible to insert without risking damage to your equipment. The tight ones are usable bit it's a pain in the neck to reach around and push on the front of the equipment to get them in and even more to hold the front of the device while you pull those out from the back. That is if you can get them out. Connectors are harder to remove than to insert. That's why i'm only pushing so hard to get them in. When connectors are ridiculously tight I get the temptation to twist it off but if you do that you risk breaking the connections to that connector on the inside of the device (I've done that before). So for interconnects nowadays I guess the answer is - if you need 5 RCA interconnects - buy 15 of them - take the 5 that "work" and send back the other 10 |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 12, 2016 10:23:18 GMT -5
Relax, turn around and shake my hand...
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Post by B-613 Command on Feb 12, 2016 10:25:30 GMT -5
Do you mean the ones below? Those are banana plugs. The wide parts are supposed to compress when you insert them into the speaker jacks to maintain a tighter fit. They ought to go in but you have to apply some pressure to compress the angled parts of the pin. That's them. They sure look like banana plugs - what else could they be? Emotiva must have manufactured them the wrong size. They are unusable. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by monkumonku on Feb 12, 2016 10:26:19 GMT -5
So these "plugs" are supposed to be banana plugs. I must have gotten a bad batch of them. There is no way any human being other than Arnold can get these into anything. Unless Emotiva will repair my broken connectors i'm not pushing harder than about 50 pounds into a plastic connector and maybe 80 pounds into a metal connector (harder than that and you'll never get them back out). My amp weighs about 60 pounds. If I lift it with one hand - not easy to do - use that as a guage - push that hard on the connector and if it doesn't go in then I know i'll never get it back out even if I do get it in. I had that problem with one of these Emo RCA interconnects i'm using as an unbalanced connection to the Krell from my Emotiva Fusion 8100. It takes about 80 to 100 pounds of pressure - i'm guessing - it's about twice as hard as lifting my Krell amp - then minus a wimp factor - i'm an old man - say 90 pounds of force to get it in which I did - but then when I realized Emotiva has everything backwards on the backs of their equipment - the right side connections are on the left side of the device and vice-versa - so I had to swap them and I couldn't get my 90 pounder out. I had to take everything else off of it - remove it from the entertainment center and use both hands and my feet to get it out. Wile E. Coyote was proud of me. That is just plain ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than that is that I pushed it right back in 5 minutes later having completely forgotten what I just went thru. It's called senility. My wife has another word for it. Assuming Emo no longer makes the speaker wires I got from them a year ago or so - i'll buy my interconnects elsewhere from now on. I'm sending these back to Emo. I'm not Ahhnold. Connectors aggravate me. Emo prices are not so bad but so many interconnects are expensive. So if I get a box full of connectors some of them fit fine and some are quite tight and a few are impossible to insert without risking damage to your equipment. The tight ones are usable bit it's a pain in the neck to reach around and push on the front of the equipment to get them in and even more to hold the front of the device while you pull those out from the back. That is if you can get them out. Connectors are harder to remove than to insert. That's why i'm only pushing so hard to get them in. When connectors are ridiculously tight I get the temptation to twist it off but if you do that you risk breaking the connections to that connector on the inside of the device (I've done that before). So for interconnects nowadays I guess the answer is - if you need 5 RCA interconnects - buy 15 of them - take the 5 that "work" and send back the other 10 I use the locking banana plugs from Blue Jeans Cable: www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htmThey are very easy to attach to the speaker wire and also attach securely to the speaker terminals. You simply turn a knob on the plug to make the prongs widen, which secures them to the terminal. The quality is excellent. Previously I have used Monoprice banana plugs (inconsistent quality; some are loose and some are tight - same with their RCA cables) and GLS locking banana plugs. These are okay but my opinion is BJC is better both in quality and ease of operation. The only drawback to the locking plugs is you need a little bit more room for the plug because it is longer. |
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Post by creimes on Feb 12, 2016 11:44:49 GMT -5
Do you mean the ones below? Those are banana plugs. The wide parts are supposed to compress when you insert them into the speaker jacks to maintain a tighter fit. They ought to go in but you have to apply some pressure to compress the angled parts of the pin. That's them. They sure look like banana plugs - what else could they be? Emotiva must have manufactured them the wrong size. They are unusable. Thanks for the info. Did you try my method of tilting back and forth while pushing, it worked well for me and they come out easy enough once inserted  Chad |
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Post by boomzilla on Feb 12, 2016 12:28:13 GMT -5
Good contact is the purpose of plugs. I've had some that just wobble around in the jack! Locking works, widely spread leaves work, but what I'd really like to see is a spring loaded contact just like "lab tips" for test wires:  I don't want plugs that look like that, of course, but I want some where I can use a thumb to compress the plug leaves for insertion / removal, and then remove the thumb for the leaves to expand against the jack. That would do away with the need to use TWO hands for locking the plug into the jack. |
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Post by mercury on Feb 13, 2016 22:26:24 GMT -5
I was previously using these speaker cables in my other 2 channel setup and they work fine.
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 17, 2016 8:55:36 GMT -5
Relax, turn around and shake my hand... I can help you change... |
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? The web page says "banana plugs" but they do not fit into anything I own that has banana connectors and that includes an Emotiva receiver. If I push with up to about 50 pounds of pressure it doesn't go into anything I own. The 5-way binding posts on the back of my Krell amp as well as the binding posts on the Fusion receiver are plastic. I'm not pushing any harder than that. 
