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Post by Aspen0220 on Feb 12, 2016 10:09:30 GMT -5
From my understanding of Reference Stereo mode, only the left and right speakers will work. If I want to use my subwoofers in this mode, do I have to buy extra hardware or is there a way for me to make it work? Like is there any ouput I can use on the xmc to pass the signal to my subwoofers? Thanks in advance
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Post by total2727 on Feb 12, 2016 12:09:22 GMT -5
No output, what you put in comes straight out when in reference stereo.
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Post by Aspen0220 on Feb 12, 2016 12:15:41 GMT -5
so to get the signal to my subwoofer I need another hardware to split the signal? one going to the xmc-1 for the left/right and the other going to the subs?
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Post by 509Paul on Feb 12, 2016 12:50:25 GMT -5
I would assume you could just use a splitter on the output to run the signal to both your amp and your subwoofer. It would be nice if you could check a box to enable the sub in Reference mode. A lot of speakers just don't reproduce the low bass frequency's well enough.
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Post by XTC on Feb 12, 2016 13:51:02 GMT -5
The XMC-1 has both XLR and RCA outs, my sub has both as well as inputs, so I connect them this way:
FL/FR XLR out to my amp
FL/FR RCA out to my sub
Sub XLR out to my sub
I don't use Dirac. My amp has level control so I'm able to balance the bass with the FL/FR speakers to my liking and I set the x-over on the sub to 100 Hz.
You did say subwoofers so I assume you have 2. If your amp has XLR inputs, you could use XLR FL/FR out to your amp and RCA FL/FR out to one sub for bass from your front speakers (assuming you can set the x-over on the sub) and use the other sub for LFE.
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Post by Aspen0220 on Feb 12, 2016 14:09:05 GMT -5
XTC, if I understand your solution correctly, when using Reference Stereo mode, I should be able to use the FL/FR RCA out to my subs? Does it matter which L or R RCA output I use for the subs? Do they all have the same signal?
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Post by XTC on Feb 13, 2016 9:46:44 GMT -5
Aspen0220, you have to use both the FL and FR RCA outs to the subs. They are not like the sub outs where the left and right channels are summed to a single output when set as a mono sub. What you need to do is get the signals of both the FL and FR to the sub(s) and setting the x-over on the sub(s). In Reference Stereo the only way to do that is connect the both the FL and FR to the sub(s). If you only connect the FL to the sub you will lose the signal from the FR and vice-versa. If you have 2 subs (one for the left channel and one for the right channel) connect the FL RCA out to the left sub and the FR RCA out to the right sub. It doesn't matter which input you use on the subs. The second inputs on the subs would be used to connect sub outs from the XMC-1. Something I did not mention earlier is I have my front speakers set to large.
I have a single sub and I'm very happy with the results using Reference Stereo with my connection method. Again, I do not use Dirac so I don't know how my setup would affect Dirac measurements for when you're not using Reference Stereo. Also I could see there being potential problems getting the bass balanced. It worked out well for me with just a couple of tweaks but I might have been lucky. Good luck to you.
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Post by geebo on Feb 13, 2016 10:21:32 GMT -5
Have you tried Direct mode? It has bass management but no other processing and you can still use Dirac in it's intended manner when desired.
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Post by garym on Feb 13, 2016 10:32:29 GMT -5
so to get the signal to my subwoofer I need another hardware to split the signal? one going to the xmc-1 for the left/right and the other going to the subs? For 2-channel music I run my UMC-200 in Direct mode (same as Reference mode on XMC-1) with the FL & FR speakers set to Large. Output from UMC then goes to a dbx 223XS active crossover, split at 100Hz and sent to the MTM mains (DIY) via an XPA-2 and a 12" Dayton sub (also DIY) per channel. www.amazon.com/DBX-223xs-Stereo-Crossover-Connectors/dp/B004S2FVSM |
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Post by skippy1977 on Feb 13, 2016 16:17:02 GMT -5
Have you tried Direct mode? It has bass management but no other processing and you can still use Dirac in it's intended manner when desired. I agree with this suggestion. Why go to all the trouble of basically reconfiguring ones system just to use the Reference Stereo mode. I'm sure the Direct mode will sound just as good as the Reference Stereo mode but with the use of bass management. If one is going to use a sub(s) then using Dirac is the way to go IMO. |
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Post by edrummereasye on Feb 14, 2016 1:38:39 GMT -5
Have you tried Direct mode? It has bass management but no other processing and you can still use Dirac in it's intended manner when desired. I agree with this suggestion. Why go to all the trouble of basically reconfiguring ones system just to use the Reference Stereo mode. I'm sure the Direct mode will sound just as good as the Reference Stereo mode but with the use of bass management. If one is going to use a sub(s) then using Dirac is the way to go IMO. Thirded...but skippy, I'm assuming you meant to say "Direct", not "Dirac"...as the Dirac preset is still not available in Direct mode. With respect to a 2.0 input, Direct is basically "Reference Stereo plus Bass Management". It will convert analog inputs to digital to accomplish that (since bass management is done in the digital domain); on the plus side, this also means that your speaker distance settings are active for both analog and digital inputs (whereas with Reference Stereo, speaker distances are active for digital inputs, but not for analog inputs). This is likely a Good Thing (tm) when using one or more subs. And as skippy1977 said, I doubt that you're going to hear an audible difference, other than that which results from bass management itself. And on the plus side, it will handle all manner of source material...2.0, 2.1, 5.0, 5.1, 7.1, etc. |
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Post by skippy1977 on Feb 18, 2016 18:18:14 GMT -5
I agree with this suggestion. Why go to all the trouble of basically reconfiguring ones system just to use the Reference Stereo mode. I'm sure the Direct mode will sound just as good as the Reference Stereo mode but with the use of bass management. If one is going to use a sub(s) then using Dirac is the way to go IMO. Thirded...but skippy, I'm assuming you meant to say "Direct", not "Dirac"...as the Dirac preset is still not available in Direct mode. No I did mean Dirac. I'm aware that Dirac is not an option when using the Direct mode. In my opinion if one wants to use their sub(s) then the use of Dirac is the way to go. I found when using the Direct mode my subs were boomy and localized. When using Dirac that is not the case. |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 18, 2016 18:23:40 GMT -5
I agree with both geebo and Skippy. Try both options.
I was pleasantly surprised that Dirac sounded best to me. Geebo's suggestion is another very good option.
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