Post by audiosanity on Mar 12, 2016 17:47:38 GMT -5
I am looking for a versatile and cheap audio/video 2-channel preamp/DAC with at least one of each analog audio and video inputs for say an AM/FM tuner and other older components. I have a modest setup with a 2-channel receiver, blue ray, TV, and Focal 727s. I want to replace the receiver with my XPA-200, but maintain flexibility with all the current sources.
So my XDA-2 won't serve that purpose. In fact, any solution with separates will likely cost more than the entire existing system. I refuse to pay $1000 for an analog preamp. The Stealth DC1 with its analog input comes closest with a semi-reasonable price, but it would still lack a lot of things and would require a separate tuner.
But then I found this receiver. It has the following:
4 digital audio inputs
AM/FM tuner, obviously
Analog inputs for both audio and video
The ability to play music off a USB hard drive!
Internet radio support
All for the clearance price of about $250. The newer replacement is $400 and has no pre outs. In fact, anything with pre outs will probably cost well over $500-600. Any separates with all this functionality will likely cost over $1500. What am I missing? How bad can this be? Has anyone experience with this or something similar to it?
If you are looking for sound quality to pair with your XPA-200 (which is quite a good amp imo).... Well all I can say with the Onkyo is that sh*t is as sh*t does. Just being blunt about it. It's not going to be bad. But it's not going to be as good as a DC-1.
If you want quality....get the DC-1. You can also get its companion SP-1 which adds a whole bunch of analog inputs along with a phonopreamp section for the addition of a turntable. emotiva.com/products/electronics/sp-1 Now you have separates with most of hte abilities. However you won't get the AM/FM tuner or the ability to do music off a USB hard drive. Internet radio support is possible through a PC. If you want an amfm tuner visit some garage sales or put a wtb on craigslist. There's plenty of vintage AM FM tuners.
Here's how I look at it. Do you like really good quality which you can relish or do you like features with superb convenience and mediocre sound? That's the difference between separates and recievers. There's no arguments that recievers have way more features than the separates. That is sad. But it's the truth.
Last Edit: Mar 12, 2016 18:04:16 GMT -5 by garbulky
Transport: Sony UBP-X700 UHD-Blu ray player spdif PC using Musiland Digital Times WASAPI via BNC connection - DAC: DC-1->XLR XPA-1 , RCA->Basx A-100 CD: Denon DCD 600 PCM 61 DAC. RCA Amp: XPA-1 gen 2 using XLR connections. Speakers: Axiom Audio m80 V3, Sennheisser HD700 headphones. two pairs 12 guage each bi-wire speaker cables per monoblock Headphone amp: Basx A-100 (INCREDIBLE VALUE!!)
Here's how I look at it. Do you like really good quality which you can relish or do you like features with superb convenience and mediocre sound? That's the difference between separates and recievers.
I have always felt that the biggest weakness of receivers is the amp section, and that if you don't need a phono preamp, a decent receiver like this one will not give up too much in the sound quality department if used as a preamp.
I thought about using a tuner (like the Pyle) connected to an analog-to-digital converter, in turn connected to my XDA-2. But that leaves out all the internet radio features and reading music off of a usb drive.
But I am just now realizing that there are receivers with digital audio output. If the Onkyo had a digital audio output, I could simply connect it to the XDA-2 and have all the possible features and still have a great DAC/Preamp. I hope slightly higher end models have that. So then that might solve all my problems.
The Onkyo would give you everything on your list. I started in a very similar way with an onkyo AVR. We can all give you suggestions, the ones above are all good suggestions, but we don't have your wallet, listening ears, and value vs price thoughts the same as you. You can try the Onkyo and if it doesn't meet your needs then return it or sell it. I personally would go with a pre-amp and separate tuner. You can pick up a Parasound classic 2100 pre-amp for around 600.00, Enotiva also has a new line of lower cost products coming out over the next 6 months or so. If you don't mind picking up used, you can get an XSP-1 for 5-600.00. Take your time, research and enjoy the journey most of all !! Let us know what direction you go in.
Post by knucklehead on Apr 17, 2016 11:29:04 GMT -5
I've owned 2 8050's over the past few years - with and without external amps to drive my song towers - and a few other speakers. I bought both of them from A4L.com. While the 8050 does a good job of driving the song towers I think the Crown 1500 does a slightly better job - subjectively speaking of course. I'm currently using the 8050 in the bedroom 2 channel driving a pair of Emotiva ERM-1 bookshelf speakers. The sound quality is better than you might think for a receiver. As for all these claims about this DAC and that DAC - I have a cheap-ass Behringer USB DAC for 2 channel from the HTPC and it sounds very good. Give it a try before dropping 15-20x the money on a DC-1. You may be surprised.
Yamaha A-S1000 Int Amp - Salk SongTowers - Oppo 103 - HTPC (Linux Mint) Other Gear: Yamaha RX-A2070, Klipsch Ref Center, Emotiva ERD-1's Twas a woman who drove me to drink. I never had the decency to write and thank her.