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Post by mick on Mar 31, 2016 19:48:42 GMT -5
LCS,
If you are talking to me I'm agreeing with Gary, flogging a dead horse means - his wasting his time
because no one gives a rats.
cheers
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 31, 2016 19:54:39 GMT -5
LCS, If you are talking to me I'm agreeing with Gary, flogging a dead horse means - his wasting his time because no one gives a rats. cheers No I wasn't referring to your post. It was another post that I had to clean up a slight bit. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 31, 2016 20:01:55 GMT -5
lol, true. As for the sound- I would dare to guess that they will sound like any amplifier of suitably clean power playing through your speakers. If it were not for the fact that my XPA-2 Gen 1 was not "suitably clean power" for me, I would think they also might sound like any other amp. My gen 1 was a tad harsh. At first, I loved it. But, the more I listened and compared to friends' systems, the more I noticed. Various steps, I including replacing the xpa-2 with Hypex nCores solved my issues. I hope to hear the gen 3's do that also (but don't expect my nCores up for sale anytime soon!) Mark I actually think my XPA-2 Gen 1 is quite an in-your-face amplifier as opposed to my XPR-2 that is well controlled and revealing. Both are what I consider neutral sounding. I would never want an amplifier that was considered to color it's input signal. I must admit, as much as I've heard about your nCores, I would be curious to audition them in my home theater. |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 31, 2016 20:02:12 GMT -5
Any distributor will price the items at the exchange rate given when he closed the deal. If the exchange rates varies abruptly is not gonna affect the price of the current stock of the products.
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 31, 2016 20:02:32 GMT -5
LCS,If you are talking to me I'm agreeing with Gary, flogging a dead horse means - his wasting his time because no one gives a rats.cheers I think Emotiva does "give a rats", otherwise Dan wouldn't have responded (refer previous pages). Whether Emotiva is willing and/or able to do anything about it is another question. What is especially painful is that we pretty much always get geo pricing in what we buy. Emotiva was the exception, we all had the same price, but not any more. Hopefully what we have achieved is to point out the error, from the international buyers perspective, in their thinking. Try walking a mile in our shoes. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 31, 2016 20:03:47 GMT -5
Any distributor will price the items at the exchange rate given when he closed the deal. If the exchange rates varies abruptly is not gonna affect the price of the current stock of the products. They don't have any stock of XPA Gen 3's. Cheers Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 31, 2016 20:07:34 GMT -5
Any distributor will price the items at the exchange rate given when he closed the deal. If the exchange rates varies abruptly is not gonna affect the price of the current stock of the products. They don't have any stock of XPA Gen 3's. Cheers Gary It doesn't matter, it can take months to get merchandise in the shelves after you close a deal. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 31, 2016 20:14:14 GMT -5
They don't have any stock of XPA Gen 3's. It doesn't matter, it can take months to get merchandise in the shelves after you close a deal. But they (Final Link) removed the XPA Gen 3 prices directly after the $100 price reduction in the US was announced. Seems like maybe the deal wasn't "closed". Of course it can take months to stock, which is just another reason why the direct selling model was so much better for us. Cheers Gary |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 31, 2016 20:27:53 GMT -5
It doesn't matter, it can take months to get merchandise in the shelves after you close a deal. But they (Final Link) removed the XPA Gen 3 prices directly after the $100 price reduction in the US was announced. Seems like maybe the deal wasn't "closed". Of course it can take months to stock, which is just another reason why the direct selling model was so much better for us. Cheers Gary A deal can be closed and if there is price variation the manufacturer usually offers a rebate when the distributor hits a certain amount of money in the year or quarterly, depends. BUT that rebate never goes to the consumer unfortunately. Only a few do like car manufactures for example, but never the entire amount. Emo can do it different of course Regarding waiting time for stock, YES it sucks big time for international customers |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2016 20:53:09 GMT -5
If it were not for the fact that my XPA-2 Gen 1 was not "suitably clean power" for me, I would think they also might sound like any other amp. My gen 1 was a tad harsh. At first, I loved it. But, the more I listened and compared to friends' systems, the more I noticed. Various steps, I including replacing the xpa-2 with Hypex nCores solved my issues. I hope to hear the gen 3's do that also (but don't expect my nCores up for sale anytime soon!) Mark I actually think my XPA-2 Gen 1 is quite an in-your-face amplifier as opposed to my XPR-2 that is well controlled and revealing. Both are what I consider neutral sounding. I would never want an amplifier that was considered to color it's input signal. I must admit, as much as I've heard about your nCores, I would be curious to audition them in my home theater. That the XPA gen 3's share aspects with the XPR's has me hopeful about a sound improvement. Big Dan's comments on the gen 3's raise that expectation. Very much looking forward to reviews (on their sound...)! Mark |
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 31, 2016 21:00:11 GMT -5
Hopefully the new sound signature will be more tubey....  |
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Post by hemster on Mar 31, 2016 21:14:54 GMT -5
Hopefully the new sound signature will be more tubey.... Tubey, or not tubey... that's the question!  |
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 31, 2016 21:40:01 GMT -5
Hopefully the new sound signature will be more tubey.... Tubey, or not tubey... that's the question! That's a good observation...I am already confused so please to get me even more confused...  |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 31, 2016 22:03:27 GMT -5
I have to back Gary on this one. Dan cherry picked a best case scenario for his model, not to mention he didn't address why some countries can buy direct but others can't. It is what it is, though, but Gary gets my empathy on this one.
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Post by garbulky on Mar 31, 2016 22:20:10 GMT -5
If it were not for the fact that my XPA-2 Gen 1 was not "suitably clean power" for me, I would think they also might sound like any other amp. My gen 1 was a tad harsh. At first, I loved it. But, the more I listened and compared to friends' systems, the more I noticed. Various steps, I including replacing the xpa-2 with Hypex nCores solved my issues. I hope to hear the gen 3's do that also (but don't expect my nCores up for sale anytime soon!) Mark I actually think my XPA-2 Gen 1 is quite an in-your-face amplifier as opposed to my XPR-2 that is well controlled and revealing. Both are what I consider neutral sounding. I would never want an amplifier that was considered to color it's input signal. I must admit, as much as I've heard about your nCores, I would be curious to audition them in my home theater. I think your post is interesting. I think at this point there's appears to be different levels of neutral. One is what we think of as neutral....no frequency sounds over-emphasized to our ears. The other one is a term of presentation. If we deam neutral as the first - frequencies aren't over or under-emphasized it's one thing. The other appears to be related to presentation. At some point the presentation relates to distortion from the original signal in some way. One is right or both are wrong. Now having said that...did you happen to use a USP-1 at the time when you auditioned the gen 1? Because I rememebr that having a bit of an up front sound to it. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 31, 2016 22:59:15 GMT -5
I have to back Gary on this one. Dan cherry picked a best case scenario for his model, not to mention he didn't address why some countries can buy direct but others can't. It is what it is, though, but Gary gets my empathy on this one. If we have an approved distributor in a given international territory, we will not allow direct sales. Simple. |
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Post by rogersch on Mar 31, 2016 23:10:57 GMT -5
I guess if I went Atmos, the XPA gen 3 is a good idea. I have a three channel for front three, a four channel for side & surrounds. So what would I need? Another 4? That's exactly what I am planning on doing. I just ordered the Gen 3 with three channels to start with. It will power the LCR. After I try it out for 30 days, I plan on getting the Gen 3 with four channels and run 4 long XLR cables down into basement and back up with second amp in rear of room. I prefer this to having one 7 or 11 channel amp that requires more than 15 amps to run it. Still deciding on Anthem AVM-60 or wait for XMR-1 for 3-D sound. Then I must deal with problems installing height speakers in finished ceiling family room or other less desirable alternatives. And lastly, make decision to either get third Gen 3 with 4 channels for height or bump up first two Gen 3s by adding 2 channels per amp (less likely). This is precisely the appeal of these amps for someone moving away from an AVR and moving to separates and power amps with current 7.1 setup, thinking of 3-D sound formats. It adds the flexibility to upgrade in stages and consider house/room constraints. Did you take a look to the Audiocontrol Maestro M9? link It's the surround processor the XMR-1 should be.. |
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Post by mick on Mar 31, 2016 23:30:55 GMT -5
I have to back Gary on this one. Dan cherry picked a best case scenario for his model, not to mention he didn't address why some countries can buy direct but others can't. It is what it is, though, but Gary gets my empathy on this one. If we have an approved distributor in a given international territory, we will not allow direct sales. Simple. Yeah we get that Dan, but we don't like it. simple. |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 31, 2016 23:43:07 GMT -5
That's exactly what I am planning on doing. I just ordered the Gen 3 with three channels to start with. It will power the LCR. After I try it out for 30 days, I plan on getting the Gen 3 with four channels and run 4 long XLR cables down into basement and back up with second amp in rear of room. I prefer this to having one 7 or 11 channel amp that requires more than 15 amps to run it. Still deciding on Anthem AVM-60 or wait for XMR-1 for 3-D sound. Then I must deal with problems installing height speakers in finished ceiling family room or other less desirable alternatives. And lastly, make decision to either get third Gen 3 with 4 channels for height or bump up first two Gen 3s by adding 2 channels per amp (less likely). This is precisely the appeal of these amps for someone moving away from an AVR and moving to separates and power amps with current 7.1 setup, thinking of 3-D sound formats. It adds the flexibility to upgrade in stages and consider house/room constraints. Did you take a look to the Audiocontrol Maestro M9? link It's the surround processor the XMR-1 should be.. And the PRICE POINT IS?  ?  |
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 31, 2016 23:57:49 GMT -5
I have to back Gary on this one. Dan cherry picked a best case scenario for his model, not to mention he didn't address why some countries can buy direct but others can't. It is what it is, though, but Gary gets my empathy on this one. If we have an approved distributor in a given international territory, we will not allow direct sales. Simple. We will NEVER stop selling direct to our customers. Cheers, Big Dan |
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