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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2016 20:40:35 GMT -5
Just noticed on the product page...no mono option? I believe at CES they said that option was slightly behind. Mark |
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Post by wizardofoz on Mar 17, 2016 20:56:15 GMT -5
And what of the stealth style DC-1 look amps...wonder when we will see some word on those.
these look good so far but unless international sales are able to be updated diy or the new local agents then it's a dead sale for non USA owners...
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Post by wilburthegoose on Mar 17, 2016 21:05:49 GMT -5
I suggest they change "Out of Stock" to something like "Coming Soon!"
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Post by wilburthegoose on Mar 17, 2016 21:08:00 GMT -5
PS - Has Emotiva said if they sound any different than the G2, and if so, in what way?
By the way, Congratulations to Emotiva. New product launches are very challenging, and I'm sure they put their heart and soul into the Gen-3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 21:20:51 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that these new amps are only rated for 4 ohms? Frankly that doesn't inspire much confidence in the amps from my point of view. Aside from that they really look interesting but I think my Cinepro 3K6 is safe for a while to come. Seth, whats' your address?  Power Output ALL MODELS: Power Output Per Channel 300 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms 550 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.2%; into 4 Ohms 800 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.5%; into 2 Ohms ALL MODELS: FTC Rated Power; 2 Channels Driven; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD <0.1% 300 watts RMS per channel; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms (120 VAC line). 490 watts RMS per channel; THD < 0.1%; into 4 Ohms (120 VAC line). Power Output Per Channel: All Channels Driven; THD <0.1% ; into 8 ohms XPA two Gen3: 300 watts RMS per channel XPA three Gen3: 275 watts RMS per channel XPA four Gen3: 260 watts RMS per channel XPA five Gen3: 250 watts RMS per channel XPA six Gen3: 225 watts RMS per channel XPA seven Gen3: 200 watts RMS per channel There's a 2ohm rating there.. |
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Post by teaman on Mar 17, 2016 21:31:10 GMT -5
"Massive old school transformers and giant filter capacitors are rendered obsolete. They just can't compete. It's a revolution in power design, and it's the backbone of the new XPA modular amplifier system. It's the way of the future, and it's here now. Gee wiz, I guess ill have to bury my XPA-1L's in the back yard this week end.  Not sure how the new Emotiva line will add up, but I prefer my X series amps to the lighter modular Outlaw Audio amps I also own. I am fine with moving the heft a couple of times to know a tried and true power source is hiding inside. I even preferred my U series amps to the Outlaws. |
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Post by DavidR on Mar 17, 2016 22:01:56 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that these new amps are only rated for 4 ohms? Frankly that doesn't inspire much confidence in the amps from my point of view. Aside from that they really look interesting but I think my Cinepro 3K6 is safe for a while to come. Seth, whats' your address? The question is at what impedance are they stable down to. If they are giving a 2 ohm rating then they are stable to 2 ohms (at least). How many speakers do you see that are rated less than 4 ohms (nominal). Dan stated they will drive demanding speakers. The most demanding speaker I know of is the Infinity Kappa 9 a.k.a. amp killer. Very few amps are stable at 1 ohm. Naim and Pass Labs are two that come to mind; perhaps some Krell. |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 17, 2016 22:23:03 GMT -5
"Massive old school transformers and giant filter capacitors are rendered obsolete. They just can't compete. It's a revolution in power design, and it's the backbone of the new XPA modular amplifier system. It's the way of the future, and it's here now. Gee wiz, I guess ill have to bury my XPA-1L's in the back yard this week end. I don't think the XPA-1L has a massive transformer so your amps are safe . |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 17, 2016 22:24:52 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that these new amps are only rated for 4 ohms? Frankly that doesn't inspire much confidence in the amps from my point of view. Aside from that they really look interesting but I think my Cinepro 3K6 is safe for a while to come. Seth, whats' your address? No bc EVERY SINGLE Emotiva amp is rated for 4ohms only. |
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Post by jbsaunders on Mar 17, 2016 22:54:50 GMT -5
Talk about Deja vu all over again. Can you say "full circle" Each of those modules had their own power supply. The Gen3s have one power supply per box regardless of the number of channels. And the power supply technology is completely different. Yes, they are drop in modules but that's where the similarity ends. Have, not had. I built two full active DSP controlled 4 way towers, 15hz to 30khz+ using a bridged and a stereo amp in conjunction with a rythmik sub. I'm happy. I never ask them to do anything that they said no too. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Mar 17, 2016 23:11:28 GMT -5
Limited by the power supply I guess. For me there is a bit too much of Marketing butter on the XPA Gen 3 page right now and not many Facts. Let´s wait and see how much and of what Quality the bread underneath all that butter is... Marketing butter?? Take a look at the extremely detailed, FULL disclosure technical specifications and images of every detail of the amplifier. Now, go look at the specs. and technical details of ANY of our competition.. We love comparison and we have nothing to hide or gloss over, unlike many of brands out there... Take a real close look at other well know brands and let me know how you think we're not being real. Cheers, Big Dan |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 17, 2016 23:46:36 GMT -5
Limited by the power supply I guess. For me there is a bit too much of Marketing butter on the XPA Gen 3 page right now and not many Facts. Let´s wait and see how much and of what Quality the bread underneath all that butter is... Marketing butter?? Take a look at the extremely detailed, FULL disclosure technical specifications and images of every detail of the amplifier. Now, go look at the specs. and technical details of ANY of our competition.. We love comparison and we have nothing to hide or gloss over, unlike many of brands out there... Take a real close look at other well know brands and let me know how you think we're not being real. Cheers, Big Dan Some folks can't tell the difference between specs and marketing:). 300 watts into 8 ohms - 2 channels driven? What kind of marketing crap is this? Lol! Seriously, I think the doubt may be due to the new transformer and folks just need to hear it for themselves for confirmation. Shows like Axpona next month will lay these questions to rest. I'll make you a deal big dan...dinner on you at Gibsons and I'll bring my Revel F208s to the show for demo purposes. Just carve me a section called "consumer corner" where I can showcase these new amps with a nice "affordable" high-end speaker. This is a great solution on many fronts. Oh and I'd like a badge too please . PM me... |
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Post by Nodscene on Mar 18, 2016 0:26:55 GMT -5
It says right in the specs that it only supports 4 ohm speakers....
"Minimum Recommended Load Impedance
4 Ohms; which equals one 4 Ohm load or two paralleled 8 Ohm loads."
Hmm, for some reason I thought they had other amps rated for 2 ohms. I'm glad that got straightened out.
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Post by bolle on Mar 18, 2016 2:04:03 GMT -5
Limited by the power supply I guess. For me there is a bit too much of Marketing butter on the XPA Gen 3 page right now and not many Facts. Let´s wait and see how much and of what Quality the bread underneath all that butter is... Marketing butter?? Take a look at the extremely detailed, FULL disclosure technical specifications and images of every detail of the amplifier. Now, go look at the specs. and technical details of ANY of our competition.. We love comparison and we have nothing to hide or gloss over, unlike many of brands out there... Take a real close look at other well know brands and let me know how you think we're not being real. Cheers, Big Dan Hi Dan, thank you for your answer! I think my post was a bit too provocative and misleading. I definitely didn´t want to imply that you aren´t real, I had and have real Emotiva components in my house, so I know you exist!  But let me explain my perspective. I personally am more the sceptical guy, which may also come from a professional life in Quality assurance and Quality Management. I personally also don´t like bold Claims not backed by cold facts whether they are true or not. So a text with passages like... "Massive old school transformers and giant filter capacitors are rendered obsolete. They just can't compete." "After carefully weighing all the pros and cons, we kept the best features of our original designs, added a new set of optimizations and improvements, and the result became the foundation of our new line of audiophile amplifiers. The XPA Gen 3 is a whole new ballgame." "Just ask many of our competitors to see their “all channels driven” power ratings and watch the dance begin... what should that tell you?" ...rather repels than attracts me. Especially the passage about the competition is not my style, I rather like the british Gentleman aproach here - let your products speak for themselves! I would also really like to see some Kind of Whitepaper coming out with a new Launch like this, diving deeper into the thoughts and decisions of Lonnie and Keith. Bruno Putzeys from Hypex did this for the UCD amplifiers, Grimm Audio als for their LS1 or Crown / HK or Nubert and these papers are always a very interesting read. I also think this Launch is special as well as importan for Emotiva. With the old XPA-series it was a no brainer - if you needed a good 5-channel amp for a very fair Price, Emotiva XPA-5 was the way to go. Now with quite a Price increase, the decision is tougher - especially for us over here in old Europe (Shipping, repairs...). So imho it will be really interesting to see how the Gen3 performs in the wild and also sells in the now higher Price Segment of the market. I don´t say the Price isn´t justified or too high or the amp isn´t good, it just is a different Position than before and I think there will need to be slightly different reasons now to sway the buyers than before. So I don´t say the Gen3 isn´t good and I also don´t say what you are stating on the page isn´t true, I am just anxious to see this backed up by Independent Tests, measurements and listening Reports (remember sceptical and QA here ). I wouldn´t be on this boards if there won´t be a Special place for Emotiva in my heart - I am just more the "new amps are the best Thing since sliced bread? Well let´s wait and see if that´s true..." Kind of guy and not Mr. "Yeeeeah Emotiva, new amps, awesome, woooohooooo!" type. So I guess I should be happy not having to work in Marketing.  I think this is a really exciting Launch and I wish you all the best for it! I will also buy the EMP-1 when it´s available this year, still really happy with my UMC-200 all in all. Best regards Fabian |
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Post by assy74 on Mar 18, 2016 2:38:49 GMT -5
I think the new line looks very promessing going to be fun to hear what people say about the new line compared to the g2 line...... I just bought a new pait of speakers that are connected to the xpr-5, and the sound is just very good the xpr line is the best line ever produced, when you compare quality and price! So if the g3 line can be up there, then emotiva is going to make a shitload of money and other brands should very scared! The new passive speaker line is going to be interesting as well, but if they will be a new big speaker producer. They need three diffent lines of quality, good.... Medium high end and high end the pictures i have seen of the new speakers did not apeel to me. The look is almost as important as the sound.... my wife have too live with them as well lol go emotiva Norwegian fan |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 18, 2016 5:41:43 GMT -5
The new line looks great, the only thing I don't like is the price. A five channel is quite a bit more than my XPA-5.
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Post by pedrocols on Mar 18, 2016 8:35:21 GMT -5
Marketing butter?? Take a look at the extremely detailed, FULL disclosure technical specifications and images of every detail of the amplifier. Now, go look at the specs. and technical details of ANY of our competition.. We love comparison and we have nothing to hide or gloss over, unlike many of brands out there... Take a real close look at other well know brands and let me know how you think we're not being real. Cheers, Big Dan Hi Dan, thank you for your answer! I think my post was a bit too provocative and misleading. I definitely didn´t want to imply that you aren´t real, I had and have real Emotiva components in my house, so I know you exist! But let me explain my perspective. I personally am more the sceptical guy, which may also come from a professional life in Quality assurance and Quality Management. I personally also don´t like bold Claims not backed by cold facts whether they are true or not. So a text with passages like... "Massive old school transformers and giant filter capacitors are rendered obsolete. They just can't compete." "After carefully weighing all the pros and cons, we kept the best features of our original designs, added a new set of optimizations and improvements, and the result became the foundation of our new line of audiophile amplifiers. The XPA Gen 3 is a whole new ballgame." "Just ask many of our competitors to see their “all channels driven” power ratings and watch the dance begin... what should that tell you?" ...rather repels than attracts me. Especially the passage about the competition is not my style, I rather like the british Gentleman aproach here - let your products speak for themselves! I would also really like to see some Kind of Whitepaper coming out with a new Launch like this, diving deeper into the thoughts and decisions of Lonnie and Keith. Bruno Putzeys from Hypex did this for the UCD amplifiers, Grimm Audio als for their LS1 or Crown / HK or Nubert and these papers are always a very interesting read. I also think this Launch is special as well as importan for Emotiva. With the old XPA-series it was a no brainer - if you needed a good 5-channel amp for a very fair Price, Emotiva XPA-5 was the way to go. Now with quite a Price increase, the decision is tougher - especially for us over here in old Europe (Shipping, repairs...). So imho it will be really interesting to see how the Gen3 performs in the wild and also sells in the now higher Price Segment of the market. I don´t say the Price isn´t justified or too high or the amp isn´t good, it just is a different Position than before and I think there will need to be slightly different reasons now to sway the buyers than before. So I don´t say the Gen3 isn´t good and I also don´t say what you are stating on the page isn´t true, I am just anxious to see this backed up by Independent Tests, measurements and listening Reports (remember sceptical and QA here ). I wouldn´t be on this boards if there won´t be a Special place for Emotiva in my heart - I am just more the "new amps are the best Thing since sliced bread? Well let´s wait and see if that´s true..." Kind of guy and not Mr. "Yeeeeah Emotiva, new amps, awesome, woooohooooo!" type. So I guess I should be happy not having to work in Marketing. I think this is a really exciting Launch and I wish you all the best for it! I will also buy the EMP-1 when it´s available this year, still really happy with my UMC-200 all in all. Best regards Fabian Agreed! At the end of the day Emotiva is just another business and is in the business to make money! |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 18, 2016 9:55:07 GMT -5
4) Prices go up; sadly it's just a reality of life. I don't think you'll find the slight increase in price to be out of line with the higher price you pay in a restaurant for a good steak lately. "Slight" perhaps for the 2-3 channel but no steak has gone up 60% lately like the XPA-5. Let's not get lazy with our adjectives. However if it is comparable to an XPR, then one must compare the price of XPR-5 to the XPA-5 Gen3 and that's where the consumer wins. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 18, 2016 10:27:01 GMT -5
4) Prices go up; sadly it's just a reality of life. I don't think you'll find the slight increase in price to be out of line with the higher price you pay in a restaurant for a good steak lately. "Slight" perhaps for the 2-3 channel but no steak has gone up 60% lately like the XPA-5. Let's not get lazy with our adjectives. However if it is comparable to an XPR, then one must compare the price of XPR-5 to the XPA-5 Gen3 and that's where the consumer wins. Yeah...I think I paid about $800 for my XPA-5 brand new on sale. I would have to pay double for the new version today. I realize it may be better, but that much? Just thinking out loud. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 18, 2016 10:41:56 GMT -5
Is anyone else concerned that these new amps are only rated for 4 ohms? Frankly that doesn't inspire much confidence in the amps from my point of view. Aside from that they really look interesting but I think my Cinepro 3K6 is safe for a while to come. Seth, whats' your address? No bc EVERY SINGLE Emotiva amp is rated for 4ohms only. There have been 2 ohm ratings published for SOME of the other amps. I think Lonnie would attest to that. I seem to recall a couple posts about people pushing (abusing?) the amps @ 2ohms, which the components didn't enjoy thermally. There are a couple old posts, but would be hard to find. |
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