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Post by jcisbig on Mar 21, 2016 14:03:05 GMT -5
I'm building my dedicated home theater room (22 ft long, 15 feet wide, 7.5ft ceiling, basement) now and beginning to think of what equipment I want to finish it out with. I've got an HSU 15h mk 1 right now, and have had it for a few years. I'm relatively happy with it's performance for a single sub, but I'm looking forward to upgrading to the mk2 and adding (in phases) another one (for dual subs) and then in the future another two (for four subs). I'm hoping to get higher headroom, more evenly distributed bass, and increased tactile feeling due to more air being moved by 2 (or 4) 15" drivers.
I notice that for a bit more than four HSU 15h mk2's I could get a pair of the XTZ 3x12 subs. Any thoughts on this? Quad HSU's or Dual XTZ's?
Sound quality is important to me. My HT room will double as my 2-channel room as well, and I'm generally 80% music 20% movies. But I'm also looking for well distributed and evenly balanced low end, and the more "rumble in your chest" feeling I can get for both music and movies the better!
TIA for the replies!
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Post by goodfellas27 on Mar 21, 2016 14:57:49 GMT -5
qua with qua minidsp sub eq
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Post by goodfellas27 on Mar 21, 2016 15:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by goozoo on Mar 21, 2016 15:25:46 GMT -5
The XTZ doesn't even compare to the HSU based on their own published specs. The HSU will go lower and be much less attenuated at those frequencies. As for "chest punch", you are talking about mid bass effect and that needs to be dialed in with a DSP. You also mention that you listen mainly to music, in which case you may want to consider Rythmik Audio. Their servo design is excellent for music/HT duty and can extend down into the 14Hz range. Before making any decisions, I think you should spend some time researching and learning the nuances of bass response in a room and how to implement a multi-sub configuration to integrate well together. This will also entail some bass trapping at a minimum to minimize the delay. Below is a good link to start off of and you can go on from there. Good luck. forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=48286 |
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Post by jcisbig on Mar 22, 2016 9:23:39 GMT -5
So, I've heard for miniDSP products for a few years (and I actually have their Umik-1 mic), but I never really looked into what some of their products could do to help me with multiple subwoofers. Currently, with just a single Sub, my UMC-200 does quite well with offering gain adjustments and the PEQ, but I can see how when you have multiple subwoofers that the ability to adjust each subwoofers individual gain/phase/delay/PEQ would be quite helpful!
I'm planning to use XLR connections for my subs (with either dual or quad setups), and I will most likely be running all the subs off of my UMC-200, or I may upgrade to the XMC, or perhaps the Emersa product that will be out soonTM.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around what products exactly I would need from Mini DSP, what would you recommend for being able to have the most flexibility with tweaking four independent subs? On the surface, it looks like a 2x4 "balanced" product would work well for my intended use, although I'd have to get 6 "phoenix to XLR" adapter cables from Amazon or someplace in order to hook up to the miniDSP. I will also need some kind of a "plugin" which I'm assuming is software that runs on the computer. Is this just downloadable and usable via USB connection to the miniDSP, or is their another physical piece of equipment that needs to be purchased?
On another forum I had someone suggest a pair of JTR Captivator 1400 subs over the quad HSU subs, any thoughts on that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 10:35:25 GMT -5
The captivator will crap all over an hsu. Or rythmik for that matter. Minidsp is actually offering premade cables now to connect to the 2x4. Or you could simply cut an xlr cable in half and wire in the appropriate wires to corresponding phoenix slot. The plugin is the software that runs on your pc and connects via usb to the dsp unit, it's 10bux.
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Post by jcisbig on Mar 24, 2016 17:54:29 GMT -5
Been talking with a few folks over on AVS about the Captivator option and now I'm waffling between dual Captivator 1400s or Quad HSU 15h's. The Captivators would provide a lot more output and overall tactile feel with a lot of headroom, but the quad HSU's would probably create more even bass throughout the room. Anyone have any thoughts either direction?
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Post by LuisV on Mar 24, 2016 18:20:35 GMT -5
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Post by Talley on Mar 24, 2016 18:37:52 GMT -5
should be happy either way. the single hsu does OK that I have now in a 3kcuft room. For me I already have the single HSU so I'll just add another and call it quits.
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Post by LuisV on Mar 24, 2016 18:47:52 GMT -5
My room is 2448cu ft, but it's not dedicated and opens to the rest of the house. I'm in the process of replacing my VTF-15H with a pair of 18s. Once done, my HSU will be up for sale and I still have the original boxes.  |
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Post by jcisbig on Mar 24, 2016 19:35:13 GMT -5
I think I'd rather stay away from DIY for the time being, although that is a nice option to keep in the back of my mind!
I've enjoyed my 15H mk1 for the last couple years that I've had it. I have run into it's limits though, and I actually ended up tearing the woofer a few years back and had to get a new one! I've toned this down since then, so I've been running along just fine. But I do sometimes feel like I might be nearing the top of it's output capabilities. Adding another one or three to the one that I have now would (I'm sure) help some of those output and headroom issues, but those Captivators just look like they are capable of some amazing things! It would be nice to know that I've got plenty of headroom for whatever I end up wanting to do!
My dedicated room will also be completely enclosed, and in the three places that I've lived with the HSU each place has been open to other rooms. I feel like getting the 15H into a sealed room may change how it performs if it's not having to fill as large of a space. Either way I end up going, I won't make the decision until I get my current gear setup in the new room and see how everything performs!
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Post by LuisV on Mar 25, 2016 9:28:24 GMT -5
No sure and that's what I would do... finish the room, setup the system, measure and listen to understand next steps with the sub(s). My HSU sub is great and I've been very happy with it, but as you have witnessed it sometimes runs out of steam. I'm also looking at it from the perspective that going DIY not only saves money, but it provides more flexibility as you can build the cabinet to fit your space. Either way, DIY or not, keep us posted as to your journey. Here's mine... emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/46283/diy-speakers-18-subs |
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