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Post by ausman on Apr 26, 2017 11:59:16 GMT -5
when I talk about specs I compare to the closest reference in hardware specification, Yes I know there is a differnce between avr and pre/pro's though my point when comparing price, look at denon's flagship which is 11.2/.4 vs marantz 9.2-11.4 and I believe in recent years I believe onkyo has hit the 11.4 market in pre/pro's
where does does emotiva compete for price point when you have a pre/pro somewhere in the region of $2,500-7,500 between 9.x and 11.x standard which has been an industry standard for over 10-15 years..
fact is for price point in a processor I expect the same level of support whether i buy onkyo/denon/marantz or emotiva the only thing i can compare the xmc 1 is to an avr because the closest rep i can get to emo's speaker output is a avr within the 7.1/7.2 channel range, where in class in the processor market it has been 9.x for many years same where 11.x is in support..
atmos is a great support to have though unless the material is encoded for it you'll be stuck on the crap that has been active within 7.x/9.x
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 26, 2017 12:04:42 GMT -5
when I talk about specs I compare to the closest reference in hardware specification, Yes I know there is a differnce between avr and pre/pro's though my point when comparing price, look at denon's flagship which is 11.2/.4 vs marantz 9.2-11.4 and I believe in recent years I believe onkyo has hit the 11.4 market in pre/pro's where does does emotiva compete for price point when you have a pre/pro somewhere in the region of $2,500-7,500 between 9.x and 11.x standard which has been an industry standard for over 10-15 years.. fact is for price point in a processor I expect the same level of support whether i buy onkyo/denon/marantz or emotiva the only thing i can compare the xmc 1 is to an avr because the closest rep i can get to emo's speaker output is a avr within the 7.1/7.2 channel range, where in class in the processor market it has been 9.x for many years same where 11.x is in support.. atmos is a great support to have though unless the material is encoded for it you'll be stuck on the crap that has been active within 7.x/9.x Are you making a statement, or asking a question? Is there any relevance to either? |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 26, 2017 17:20:43 GMT -5
when I talk about specs I compare to the closest reference in hardware specification, Yes I know there is a differnce between avr and pre/pro's though my point when comparing price, look at denon's flagship which is 11.2/.4 vs marantz 9.2-11.4 and I believe in recent years I believe onkyo has hit the 11.4 market in pre/pro's where does does emotiva compete for price point when you have a pre/pro somewhere in the region of $2,500-7,500 between 9.x and 11.x standard which has been an industry standard for over 10-15 years.. fact is for price point in a processor I expect the same level of support whether i buy onkyo/denon/marantz or emotiva the only thing i can compare the xmc 1 is to an avr because the closest rep i can get to emo's speaker output is a avr within the 7.1/7.2 channel range, where in class in the processor market it has been 9.x for many years same where 11.x is in support.. atmos is a great support to have though unless the material is encoded for it you'll be stuck on the crap that has been active within 7.x/9.x Are you making a statement, or asking a question? Is there any relevance to either? Foggy, You aren't the only person wondering what was being asked/commented on. No disrespect intended at all by me, but it reads like a run-on sentence to me. I do have to say that I never knew that 9.x and 11.x were ever an industry standard, considering 7.x is still a niche market at best. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 26, 2017 18:08:04 GMT -5
when I talk about specs I compare to the closest reference in hardware specification, Yes I know there is a differnce between avr and pre/pro's though my point when comparing price, look at denon's flagship which is 11.2/.4 vs marantz 9.2-11.4 and I believe in recent years I believe onkyo has hit the 11.4 market in pre/pro's where does does emotiva compete for price point when you have a pre/pro somewhere in the region of $2,500-7,500 between 9.x and 11.x standard which has been an industry standard for over 10-15 years.. fact is for price point in a processor I expect the same level of support whether i buy onkyo/denon/marantz or emotiva the only thing i can compare the xmc 1 is to an avr because the closest rep i can get to emo's speaker output is a avr within the 7.1/7.2 channel range, where in class in the processor market it has been 9.x for many years same where 11.x is in support.. atmos is a great support to have though unless the material is encoded for it you'll be stuck on the crap that has been active within 7.x/9.x The guys are struggling with formatting a response and I think the reason why is that 9.x is not really a "standard", nor is 11.x. The movie studios have simply not taken them on in any meaningful volume for the simple reason that there isn't any demand for it and it is very expensive for them to mix using non object oriented software. That's the advantage of Atmos and DTS-X where the movie studios can actually save money in the process due to the faster speed with which object oriented sound can be mixed. This especially applies to DTS-X software which is supplied free to movie mixers. Plus of course they don't have to remix between cinema versions and HT, one version does both, hence more money saved. As a result of the above anything past 7.x (non object oriented) is never going to be a true "standard". In an effort to get consumers to upgrade their AVR boxes, manufacturers pushed the formats but without the content, as to be expected, they failed. With the movie studios supporting Atmos and DTS-X (object oriented formats) that won't be the case. Cheers Gary |
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Post by ausman on Apr 29, 2017 10:18:07 GMT -5
to honest I don't think there has been a solution of real benefits in a media solution where you could encode in more channels, thus is why we have had a stagnate response for 9.x and the latter 11.x content because we lacked the media that would actually support these formats, that's until the advent of blue ray...
though irony is in cinema we have upwards of 24 channels or more..
pending of the speaker layout within the cinema..
In australia I guess i'm looking close on $3,000 for a for a emo processor and looking at the features on offer it makes me wonder where it fits within processor market when the competition has a market price $2,500 with what it seems is more features..
when you compare, it with onkyo, denon, marantz and yamaha and pioneer i have to ask where does it sit, dts in itself has had many variants since the 1990's..
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Post by htguy on Apr 29, 2017 15:33:03 GMT -5
to honest I don't think there has been a solution of real benefits in a media solution where you could encode in more channels, thus is why we have had a stagnate response for 9.x and the latter 11.x content because we lacked the media that would actually support these formats, that's until the advent of blue ray... though irony is in cinema we have upwards of 24 channels or more.. pending of the speaker layout within the cinema.. In australia I guess i'm looking close on $3,000 for a for a emo processor and looking at the features on offer it makes me wonder where it fits within processor market when the competition has a market price $2,500 with what it seems is more features.. when you compare, it with onkyo, denon, marantz and yamaha and pioneer i have to ask where does it sit, dts in itself has had many variants since the 1990's.. You also have to factor in the XMC-1's room eq software DIRAC which is much better then the others room eq software among other things. |
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Post by rhale64 on Apr 29, 2017 16:50:20 GMT -5
You also have to look at the fully balanced main channels. As well as the internal components of the Xmc1. Which are much better than all them massed market jobs.
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 29, 2017 21:02:08 GMT -5
You also have to look at the fully balanced main channels. As well as the internal components of the Xmc1. Which are much better than all them massed market jobs. Completely agree. Nothing against those mass market electronics, but to my ears, especially with the Onkyo/Integra pre/pro's I've demoed in my home theater, they absolutely sound stagnant. I attribute Emotiva's attention to circuit design, Dan/Lonnie/Ray's not settling for the average mass market sound, and DIRAC. |
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Post by fattykidd on Apr 30, 2017 9:30:02 GMT -5
I'm sure it's been mentioned but...
Will Dirac be ported to include the 4 height channels for atmos ?
Or is this something that I would need to wait for new xmc version for?
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Post by LuisV on Apr 30, 2017 15:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by panchakshari on May 1, 2017 8:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by fbczar on May 1, 2017 8:37:16 GMT -5
Not all of the details have been finalized yet (the firmware isn't totally finished). We're hoping to include DSD (DoP), but we're not goign to promise until it's certain. I do not see any mention of DSD. Am I correct that the original description of the Atmos upgrade included 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 and DSD, but not 7.1.4 as is presently stated? |
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Post by panchakshari on May 1, 2017 8:54:44 GMT -5
Pls check XMC-1 official page..
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Post by KeithL on May 1, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -5
Some of the details haven't been finalized yet - but Dirac will definitely be active on all channels including the height channels. I'm sure it's been mentioned but... Will Dirac be ported to include the 4 height channels for atmos ? Or is this something that I would need to wait for new xmc version for? |
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Post by fattykidd on May 1, 2017 15:50:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the clarification Keith.
That is very good news.
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Post by sveb on May 1, 2017 22:12:16 GMT -5
Are there a chance overseas customers in Europe can get this without shipping it back?
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Post by ausman on Sept 13, 2017 21:23:37 GMT -5
My 1st statement on this page was related too when you compare everyone making pre/pros I have to wonder what we are looking to and for when we settle for something..
I'd spend close to $3,200 AUD on the xmc-1 and close to $6,000 on rmc-1 though looking at the xmc-1 I wonder what the target audience is because the closet thing I can compare it too is an AVR.. because the pre/pros within the same market in price point have had way more outputs than emotiva
and average about $2,500-$3,000 for the onkyo and marantz, and $5,000+ for yamaha and denon..
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Post by fbczar on Sept 13, 2017 23:19:18 GMT -5
My 1st statement on this page was related too when you compare everyone making pre/pros I have to wonder what we are looking to and for when we settle for something.. I'd spend close to $3,200 AUD on the xmc-1 and close to $6,000 on rmc-1 though looking at the xmc-1 I wonder what the target audience is because the closet thing I can compare it too is an AVR.. because the pre/pros within the same market in price point have had way more outputs than emotiva and average about $2,500-$3,000 for the onkyo and marantz, and $5,000+ for yamaha and denon.. The XMC-1 is all about sound quality. No AVR sounds as good as the XMC-1. It appears that the XMC-1 with upgrade cards and the XMC-2 will both set you back about $3,500.00. The Marantz 8802A, a processor, not an AVR is probably the XMC-1's main competitor. It has a broad feature set. In my opinion it does not sound quite as good as the XMC-1, but it is an excellent proceeor that might appeal to someone seeking lots of features and it's pricing is very competitive. The XMC-2 will have new DACs, L,C,R balanced circuitry, Atmos, DSD, etc. and it will likely sound even better than the XMC-1. If you want lots of features and incredible sound for $3500.00 wait a few months and buy an XMC-2. If you have the money, buy an RMC-1. It is likely they will both be the sound quality leaders at their respective price points. |
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Post by ausman on Sept 14, 2017 8:32:28 GMT -5
read the statement again fbczar, when you look at inputs and certain features,I wasn't disputing the sonic register lol, I was talking feature segments you get..
how can you compete a 9/11.x to a 7.x processor when I originally looked at buying the xmc-1 running down its original specs the closest processor/avr i could compare it 2 was my denon avr.. which was close to the same price with the same type of features...
yet there was nothing within the prepro arena for the $2,500AUD list price that would match the emo processor because most were within the 9.x format of delivery
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Post by foggy1956 on Sept 14, 2017 8:53:04 GMT -5
read the statement again fbczar, when you look at inputs and certain features,I wasn't disputing the sonic register lol, I was talking feature segments you get.. how can you compete a 9/11.x to a 7.x processor when I originally looked at buying the xmc-1 running down its original specs the closest processor/avr i could compare it 2 was my denon avr.. which was close to the same price with the same type of features... yet there was nothing within the prepro arena for the $2,500AUD list price that would match the emo processor because most were within the 9.x format of delivery Yup, I think you should definitely stick to the Denon line up, you will be much happier there |
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