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Post by Bonzo on Apr 26, 2016 10:52:19 GMT -5
Good to see these newer drawings. I recall seeing the first set of 7.1.4 drawings and they surprised me. Why? Because Dolby had all 4 of the height channels located behind the listening position. I don't know if someone just screwed up in those initial drawings, or if Dolby quickly changed their mind, but the originals did not look like these. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 10:54:45 GMT -5
People sometimes think I'm always downing on Emotiva, but I like to think that most of the time I'm trying to help Emotiva. So let me show here that I can do the same with a big name like Dolby. Not that they haven't considered this and decided against it (for several reasons I'm sure), but I don't think any consumer would say they wouldn't at least like to have the option of doing 7.2.2 mono mode (front/back), or 7.2.5 with a center mono mode. Past those 2, mono modes may become completely useless. But 6.1 was better than 5.1, and I would think the same holds true here. How big a difference will vary strongly per room I'm sure. But I think Dolby is missing the boat by not making 7.2.2 mono mode an option. thats because you are still looking at is a channel based...its NOT its object based.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 10:55:40 GMT -5
Good to see these newer drawings. I recall seeing the first set of 7.1.4 drawings and they surprised me. Why? Because Dolby had all 4 of the height channels located behind the listening position. I don't know if someone just screwed up in those initial drawings, or if Dolby quickly changed their mind, but the originals did not look like these. these are not "new" never once did I see it where they were behind the MLP...and I have had ATMOS since the day it was released...not sure where you saw that |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 26, 2016 10:57:04 GMT -5
Wouldn't be easier to just go to the movies?
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 26, 2016 11:01:27 GMT -5
these are not "new" never once did I see it where they were behind the MLP...and I have had ATMOS since the day it was released...not sure where you saw that I'll look for it if I get time. Perhaps Sound & Vision? But I most certainly saw it because that's why it surprised me. I remember saying to myself that in my room, if that's the way it's supposed to be, then .2 will make more sense in my room (they were also recommended as behind the seating position placement). I also still recall when the recommended surround sound speaker placement was high up on the wall. Somewhere along the way that changed at Dolby also. So they are apt to change their minds. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:04:23 GMT -5
Wouldn't be easier to just go to the movies? WORST SUGGESTION EVER  MY HT blows the theaters around here out of the water |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 26, 2016 11:08:16 GMT -5
thats because you are still looking at is a channel based...its NOT its object based.... No I'm not. I realize what it is. What I'm saying is that for some rooms I think .2 front/rear mono would be more successful (or easier to implement) that .2 right/left. Perhaps Dolby tested this and found it to be otherwise, I don't know. But it's possible they just ignored it to help speed release of the .4 configuration (or some other reason). |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 26, 2016 11:12:52 GMT -5
Wouldn't be easier to just go to the movies? WORST SUGGESTION EVER MY HT blows the theaters around here out of the water Yeah but what about the pop corn? I dare you to top that! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:23:55 GMT -5
thats because you are still looking at is a channel based...its NOT its object based.... No I'm not. I realize what it is. What I'm saying is that for some rooms I think .2 front/rear mono would be more successful (or easier to implement) that .2 right/left. Perhaps Dolby tested this and found it to be otherwise, I don't know. But it's possible they just ignored it to help speed release of the .4 configuration (or some other reason). how can you have a mono channel if "there arent channels"?! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 11:24:27 GMT -5
WORST SUGGESTION EVER MY HT blows the theaters around here out of the water Yeah but what about the pop corn? I dare you to top that! its been topped...wife bought me an awesome kettle popcorn machine for last fathers day |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 26, 2016 11:54:40 GMT -5
how can you have a mono channel if "there arent channels"?! Because in the end it is channel based. The sound mixes are created as object based, but in the end, the real time processing converts those objects to be played out from the channels that exist in each particular room, optimized for each room. In some ways I think it might help to think of all the speakers in an Atmos system as mono. To create the movements of objects, no 2 speakers are really playing the same thing. They will all be playing at different levels and playing different things. It's like having a bunch of mono speakers on your ceiling. |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 26, 2016 11:57:42 GMT -5
Yeah but what about the pop corn? I dare you to top that! its been topped...wife bought me an awesome kettle popcorn machine for last fathers day Well I for one must have my frozen ICEE Cherry drink, and that doesn't exist at home. I'd have to go to the local convenience store before a movie for that. Although I usually make do with beer!!!   |
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Post by tknice on Apr 26, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5
What are you guys thinking about 4 speaker placement when you have two rows? Dolby seems to recommend a set a few feet forward of the primary listening position and then another set a couple of feet behind. I guess I consider my primary spot in the middle of the back couch because that's where I run a Dirac calibration and it's the best seat for anamorphic content. The problem is we often sit up front for 1.85:1 shows. Does anyone have any suggestion looking at my setup? This is prob the best pic I have to show the ceiling. I'm thinking even with the side surrounds and directly over the rear row, then the forward set above my first who chairs. There won't be any offset like Dolby's recommendation but I should still get good coverage, right?  |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 26, 2016 12:18:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't be easier to just go to the movies? I still do, $6 Tuesday's, especially for blockbusters. That doesn't preclude wanting and putting some effort into a nice HT system; after all it's a hobby, 'easier' isn't necessarily the mantra. ... I know ... "two channel rules!"  |
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Post by hemster on Apr 26, 2016 12:25:20 GMT -5
tknice , I have a very similar setup to yours (3 in back row, 2 in front, riser, etc.) but I do have about feet 7 behind the back row. However I think you'll be fine with your proposal, even without the offset suggested by Dolby. Nice room BTW. Not being critical but have you considered hanging sound panels on the door?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 12:27:29 GMT -5
Two rows is tricky. Hence why people are clamoring for 7.x.6
But measure from ears to ceiling at mlp. That distance is how far in front of you you want the speakers. And same for behind.
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Post by tknice on Apr 26, 2016 12:40:44 GMT -5
tknice , I have a very similar setup to yours (3 in back row, 2 in front, riser, etc.) but I do have about feet 7 behind the back row. However I think you'll be fine with your proposal, even without the offset suggested by Dolby. Nice room BTW. Not being critical but have you considered hanging sound panels on the door? Thanks hemster. Yeah, I think you have more room behind your back row that I do. 3 feet is about the most I could do and still get all my other measurements right. As for the heights, I'm thinking close to right overhead will give pretty good coverage, I just want to learn from people who have already tried this stuff! haha! I'm also thinking some thin on walls for the ceilings (like the Focal super birds) may be a good choice because, with proper mounting, I may be able to direct the sound a bit one way or the other if I need to down the road. Oh, and yeah I definitely thought about another panel on the door. I think it would help reflections on that side but its kind of tight when the door opens already and I need to find the right "low profile" door handle/pull before the door will open all the way. It's close now, and I use one of those closet door restrictor thingys to prevent the doorknob from hitting the panel. Guessing another panel on the back of the door may add to the problem. Two rows is tricky. Hence why people are clamoring for 7.x.6 But measure from ears to ceiling at mlp. That distance is how far in front of you you want the speakers. And same for behind. What is typical bmoney, like 2 feet? |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 26, 2016 12:44:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't be easier to just go to the movies? I still do, $6 Tuesday's, especially for blockbusters. That doesn't preclude wanting and putting some effort into a nice HT system; after all it's a hobby, 'easier' isn't necessarily the mantra. ... I know ... "two channel rules!" Don't you worry. I won't sue you for using my trademark!☺ Even on $6 Tuesday's they still charge $6 for a small cup size pop corn... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 12:52:41 GMT -5
tknice , I have a very similar setup to yours (3 in back row, 2 in front, riser, etc.) but I do have about feet 7 behind the back row. However I think you'll be fine with your proposal, even without the offset suggested by Dolby. Nice room BTW. Not being critical but have you considered hanging sound panels on the door? Thanks hemster. Yeah, I think you have more room behind your back row that I do. 3 feet is about the most I could do and still get all my other measurements right. As for the heights, I'm thinking close to right overhead will give pretty good coverage, I just want to learn from people who have already tried this stuff! haha! I'm also thinking some thin on walls for the ceilings (like the Focal super birds) may be a good choice because, with proper mounting, I may be able to direct the sound a bit one way or the other if I need to down the road. Oh, and yeah I definitely thought about another panel on the door. I think it would help reflections on that side but its kind of tight when the door opens already and I need to find the right "low profile" door handle/pull before the door will open all the way. It's close now, and I use one of those closet door restrictor thingys to prevent the doorknob from hitting the panel. Guessing another panel on the back of the door may add to the problem. Two rows is tricky. Hence why people are clamoring for 7.x.6 But measure from ears to ceiling at mlp. That distance is how far in front of you you want the speakers. And same for behind. What is typical bmoney, like 2 feet? figure its a right triangle....my ceiling is 8'...my ears are 3' off the ground when sitting so 5' from ears to ceiling....that means 5' in front and 5' behind is right in the sweetspot (read 45 degrees) in the middle of the recommended angles from dolby |
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Post by tknice on Apr 26, 2016 13:00:17 GMT -5
figure its a right triangle....my ceiling is 8'...my ears are 3' off the ground when sitting so 5' from ears to ceiling....that means 5' in front and 5' behind is right in the sweetspot (read 45 degrees) in the middle of the recommended angles from dolby Hmm.. so what I'm thinking won't work very well. Your's are 10' apart? Do you have any pics to post? Sounds like, base on that, I could get my fronts in the "sweet spot" but not the rears. |
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