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Post by burnchar on May 23, 2016 14:24:36 GMT -5
From the XMC-1 upgrade page: emotiva.com/xmc-1-enhancementsThanks, Emotiva, for making the upgrade free of charge to those who bought the unit before at regular price. To me, that really shows how much Emotiva values its customers. - Available at no cost to anyone who purchases their XMC-1 from Emotiva at full price ($2,499) before the board is available (and anyone who has already purchased their XMC-1 at $2,499)
- Available for $299 to anyone who purchased their XMC-1 at a discount or on the used market
Installed by Emotiva (at no cost - recommended) or by user
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Post by brand on May 23, 2016 14:27:38 GMT -5
Any news on how "difficult" swapping the boards is? I'm in Europe so shipping the XMC makes no sense.
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Post by burnchar on May 23, 2016 14:30:08 GMT -5
Any news on how "difficult" swapping the boards is? I'm in Europe so shipping the XMC makes no sense. I don't know, but based on the internal photos of the unit, it looks like a few screws and a few ribbon cables is all it will take -- assuming that only the board hosting the HDMI cables is in need of change. |
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Post by MusicHead on May 23, 2016 14:36:32 GMT -5
Any news on how "difficult" swapping the boards is? I'm in Europe so shipping the XMC makes no sense. I would think not too different from say replace a graphic card in a PC. Probably a few screws and a bunch of PCB or flat cable connectors to unplug and then re-plug in the new board. I am sure somebody else can elaborate in greater details. Besides being of course careful to turn the unit off, unplug it from the wall AC and not touch or short anything with a tool, the key thing is to be properly grounded (you, not the XMC-1  ). Nothing could be worse than zapping with ESD your brand new replacement board... Static electricity is not your friend. |
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Post by qdtjni on May 23, 2016 15:43:30 GMT -5
Any news on how "difficult" swapping the boards is? I'm in Europe so shipping the XMC makes no sense. I swapped a cable below the HDMI board, meaning I had to remove the HDMI board and put it back to place. Apart from a few more screws, it's about the same as replacing a card in a PC. |
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Post by finiteyoda on May 24, 2016 3:15:06 GMT -5
Man, I just sent my XMC-1 in for service, wish they could've done this upgrade while it was there! On the other hand, what is the big advantage to having HDCP 2.2 on the XMC-1? My TV is HDCP 2.2, the only device I have that's HDCP 2.2 is the Samsung UHD player that just hit the street. But it seems almost all HDCP 2.2 devices have two HDMI outputs currently, so I just run one to the TV and one to the XMC-1 (for audio).
Is the real benefit for people who have more HDCP 2.2 devices than they have inputs on their TV? (My Sammy has 4) Or for HDCP 2.2 devices with only one HDMI output? Fewer HDMI cables to run?
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Post by klinemj on May 24, 2016 4:48:21 GMT -5
Man, I just sent my XMC-1 in for service, wish they could've done this upgrade while it was there! On the other hand, what is the big advantage to having HDCP 2.2 on the XMC-1? My TV is HDCP 2.2, the only device I have that's HDCP 2.2 is the Samsung UHD player that just hit the street. But it seems almost all HDCP 2.2 devices have two HDMI outputs currently, so I just run one to the TV and one to the XMC-1 (for audio). Is the real benefit for people who have more HDCP 2.2 devices than they have inputs on their TV? (My Sammy has 4) Or for HDCP 2.2 devices with only one HDMI output? Fewer HDMI cables to run? If you go from source to TV, you won't be able to have the XLR's OSD. Mark |
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Post by cwt on May 24, 2016 5:16:36 GMT -5
Man, I just sent my XMC-1 in for service, wish they could've done this upgrade while it was there! On the other hand, what is the big advantage to having HDCP 2.2 on the XMC-1? My TV is HDCP 2.2, the only device I have that's HDCP 2.2 is the Samsung UHD player that just hit the street. But it seems almost all HDCP 2.2 devices have two HDMI outputs currently, so I just run one to the TV and one to the XMC-1 (for audio). Is the real benefit for people who have more HDCP 2.2 devices than they have inputs on their TV? (My Sammy has 4) Or for HDCP 2.2 devices with only one HDMI output? Fewer HDMI cables to run? It will be handy finiteyoda [when released ;not yet] for people who have say a 4k amazon fire tv [no HDR apparently] and need hdmi2.0 passthrough in the xmc1 for this one input . Since you have the sammy udk [ and if your display has hdmi2.0a inputs?] you will be better served waiting for the 4 port hdmi2.0a board being developed as this will pass the HDR10 signal the sammy can put out Either hdmi board will give you the XMC1'S osd menu whereas using the samsungs hdmi audio out means you will forgoe this option on the fly.. [as Mark just said above] Also feeding the source signal directly to your panels hdmi means no lossless audio [ if your source only has 1 hdmi out] including any object audio metadata [ dolby atmos/dts x ] in the future for the xmc1 to decode [ if you intend to get this object audio upgrade next year ?] |
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Post by Priapulus on May 24, 2016 6:47:37 GMT -5
Is the real benefit for people who have more HDCP 2.2 devices than they have inputs on their TV? (My Sammy has 4) Or for HDCP 2.2 devices with only one HDMI output? Fewer HDMI cables to run? The processor only has two jobs: processing audio, and switching inputs. If it can't switch inputs because of 2.2 incompatibility, its only half a processor. /b |
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Post by geebo on May 24, 2016 7:08:12 GMT -5
Man, I just sent my XMC-1 in for service, wish they could've done this upgrade while it was there! On the other hand, what is the big advantage to having HDCP 2.2 on the XMC-1? My TV is HDCP 2.2, the only device I have that's HDCP 2.2 is the Samsung UHD player that just hit the street. But it seems almost all HDCP 2.2 devices have two HDMI outputs currently, so I just run one to the TV and one to the XMC-1 (for audio). Is the real benefit for people who have more HDCP 2.2 devices than they have inputs on their TV? (My Sammy has 4) Or for HDCP 2.2 devices with only one HDMI output? Fewer HDMI cables to run? If you go from source to TV, you won't be able to have the XLR's OSD. Mark Yep, with the 4K FireTV I ran separate HDMI cables to the XMC and the TV. Works great too. But I really miss the OSD and I want it back! |
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Post by Bonzo on May 24, 2016 10:23:54 GMT -5
I think it depends on what equipment and what your needs / wants are. There are up sides and down sides to both methods of hook up. Since everyone seems to think running 2 cables is nothing but down, there are at least 2 upsides to consider.
#1. Most TV's allow for independent TV settings per input. In other words, you can have one input (say DirecTV) to be set at say, brightness 65, and another input (say Blu-ray) set at 50. When you switch between inputs this change happens automatically. I have found this to be nice because we watch DirecTV at all times of day. Switching back and forth between picture settings would be a nightmare due to my wife never remembering to care about it. I would need to check the picture setting every time I watched TV. And if I forgot, there's a good chance I'd be watching it wrong. As it is, when we watch Blu-rays (almost exclusively in a darkened room at night) I know we are getting the best reference quality picture setting experience.
#2. It easily allows you to be watching one thing and listening to another. I do this a lot when having people over where the TV can have some car race or gold match on, but we listen to music instead of the show.
I'm not going to spend time arguing which is better, because like I said I think it depends on the wants and needs of each situation. To say one way just blows away the other every time simply isn't true IMO.
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Post by alucard on May 25, 2016 19:22:06 GMT -5
Yep, with the 4K FireTV I ran separate HDMI cables to the XMC and the TV. Works great too. But I really miss the OSD and I want it back! I thought fireTV only had 1 HDMI output. Roku 4k too for that matter. |
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Post by geebo on May 25, 2016 20:02:44 GMT -5
Yep, with the 4K FireTV I ran separate HDMI cables to the XMC and the TV. Works great too. But I really miss the OSD and I want it back! I thought fireTV only had 1 HDMI output. Roku 4k too for that matter. I misspoke when I said two HDMI cables. This is what I did to get 4K to play and to get surround to the XMC: FireTV HDMI out the the TV direct and the Toslink out from the TV to the XMC for Dolby 5.1. The point is there is no OSD using this HDMI 4K workaround and I would prefer to have it. |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 25, 2016 20:51:28 GMT -5
#2. It easily allows you to be watching one thing and listening to another. I do this a lot when having people over where the TV can have some car race or gold match on, but we listen to music instead of the show. Similar but different, we watch the video via the processor (currently a UMC-200) and play 2.1 stereo music via the XSP-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by alucard on May 25, 2016 21:06:42 GMT -5
I thought fireTV only had 1 HDMI output. Roku 4k too for that matter. I misspoke when I said two HDMI cables. This is what I did to get 4K to play and to get surround to the XMC: FireTV HDMI out the the TV direct and the Toslink out from the TV to the XMC for Dolby 5.1. The point is there is no OSD using this HDMI 4K workaround and I would to have it. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by geebo on May 25, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -5
I misspoke when I said two HDMI cables. This is what I did to get 4K to play and to get surround to the XMC: FireTV HDMI out the the TV direct and the Toslink out from the TV to the XMC for Dolby 5.1. The point is there is no OSD using this HDMI 4K workaround and I would to have it. Thanks for clarifying. And I previously used the two HDMI cable method with my BDP-103 when I had a UMC-1. It was necessary because the UMC wouldn't pass 3D. And it worked but here again there was no OSD. |
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Post by finiteyoda on May 26, 2016 19:43:19 GMT -5
And I previously used the two HDMI cable method with my BDP-103 when I had a UMC-1. It was necessary because the UMC wouldn't pass 3D. And it worked but here again there was no OSD. I know I'm probably not the target customer for the new HDMI2.0 board, but seems like the OSD and lossless audio are the most compelling reasons for it. Actually, one reason I specifically picked the XMC-1 as my new processor is because of the huge display, which I can see across the room (I realize not everyone has their equipment out in the open). My devices that support lossless audio (blu-ray or UHD players) all have two HDMI outputs. Everything else can usually be handled fine by the XMC-1, or use the optical from TV => XMC-1 trick. I gave up on the dream of having my processor switch and control everything long ago. It feels like the TV manufacturers are always on the cutting edge, and the receiver manufacturers just play catch up. First it was you needed HDMI, then there were HDCP issues, so get HDMI 1.2 or 1.4, then 3D came along and broke everything again, followed by 4K. Now it's HDR and HDMI 2, I'm sure there'll be something new in another couple of years, sending us scrambling for a new board or processor. I've been a big fan of Samsung's OCB, if they added a single HDMI out for lossless audio (instead of only RCA and optical) and more than 4 HDMI ports, would've been perfect. Then a new video or audio format comes along, just upgrade your OCB, don't have to replace the TV or receiver. If ARC had been better designed, they could've even fixed the OSD issue (as it is now, it kinda works between my Sammy and XMC-1, but I eventually gave up, it was too unreliable). They maybe even could've had a single HDMI input for video from the processor, for it's OSD, and the OCB could overlay that on top of the video stream it sends to the TV panel. Oh well, too late now My system has ended up an assortment of different hacks to make things work properly, thank goodness for remotes like the Harmony which can make it "appear" simple on the surface. Alright, end of rant |
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