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Post by Jim on May 25, 2016 18:31:59 GMT -5
Are there plans to post Audio Precision test results for the Gen-3 amp?
I haven't emailed sales to ask yet - but thought maybe Dan or Keith could answer here.
They used to be posted for every single amp - but it seems like they aren't being posted for every amp anymore? I don't think they were ever posted at all for the XPR-1 (and maybe 2).
The transparency of seeing the results always validated my "faith" in the specs and statements.
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Post by srpawski on May 25, 2016 19:03:19 GMT -5
I am new to Emotiva, but given the new "made in USA" direction the company seems to be taking, it would only seem appropriate that they would continue doing this to encourage people to purchase their products.
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Post by LCSeminole on May 25, 2016 20:42:57 GMT -5
I'd bet with their plates being full, Dan and Lonnie just haven't had the time. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the XPR-2 and XPR-5 Audio Precision tests but not 100% on that. I'm sure Lonnie will put the new Gen 3 amps to the test at some point, maybe this thread will remind him!  |
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Post by audiobill on May 26, 2016 5:24:31 GMT -5
I'd bet with their plates being full, Dan and Lonnie just haven't had the time. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the XPR-2 and XPR-5 Audio Precision tests but not 100% on that. I'm sure Lonnie will put the new Gen 3 amps to the test at some point, maybe this thread will remind him! No time to test the products? Sounds dubious..... |
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Post by rcheliguy on Jul 24, 2016 13:13:28 GMT -5
Wow!
This forum looks dead!
I would have expected to hear a bunch of excited people posting if the new Gen 3 product was any good. As it is I'm hearing nothing but crickets....
I also haven't seen one 3rd Party evaluation.
What's up?
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Post by teaman on Jul 24, 2016 13:39:57 GMT -5
Wow! This forum looks dead! I would have expected to hear a bunch of excited people posting if the new Gen 3 product was any good. As it is I'm hearing nothing but crickets.... I also haven't seen one 3rd Party evaluation. What's up? I have not seen more than one or two posts in regards to the Gen 3 XPA line. Not sure if they have been delivered yet or what the deal is. |
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Post by macromicroman on Jul 24, 2016 14:08:59 GMT -5
Maybe everybody already has enough amps for the time being. When everyone gets ATMOS then they will buy some new ones.
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Post by dwaleke on Jul 24, 2016 20:53:50 GMT -5
Shortage of supply I think is the driver of silence. Wanted a gen 3 for a few months and it didn't happen. Hopefully things are different now for folks that are ordering.
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Post by DavidR on Jul 24, 2016 20:59:34 GMT -5
Wow! This forum looks dead! I would have expected to hear a bunch of excited people posting if the new Gen 3 product was any good. As it is I'm hearing nothing but crickets.... I also haven't seen one 3rd Party evaluation. What's up? Big Dan has stated they are selling them as fast as they can make them. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 25, 2016 6:48:15 GMT -5
Maybe everybody already has enough amps for the time being. When everyone gets ATMOS then they will buy some new ones. No offense...but I do not believe there is an onslaught of people standing in line for ATMOS. Personally I believe ATMOS is another gimmick form the industry to drum up business. With having at a half a dozen friends with dedicated HT rooms not one of the have express that ATMOS was the direction they intended to head in the future. Also, at least in my area where I am in near location to Phliadelphia, Delaware, New Jersey and New York I could not find one hi-end audio store with a ATMOS setup. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 25, 2016 7:10:52 GMT -5
Maybe everybody already has enough amps for the time being. When everyone gets ATMOS then they will buy some new ones. No offense...but I do not believe there is an onslaught of people standing in line for ATMOS. Personally I believe ATMOS is another gimmick form the industry to drum up business. With having at a half a dozen friends with dedicated HT rooms not one of the have express that ATMOS was the direction they intended to head in the future. Also, at least in my area where I am in near location to Phliadelphia, Delaware, New Jersey and New York I could not find one hi-end audio store with a ATMOS setup. We have Atmos...   |
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Post by macromicroman on Jul 25, 2016 11:01:11 GMT -5
No offense taken. I wasn't suggesting that everybody was going to ATMOS, just that if they didn't go in that direction they probably will not need any new amps for awhile, since Emotiva amps are built to last a long time and most people are happy with what they have already bought.
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Post by rcheliguy on Jul 25, 2016 15:55:52 GMT -5
Personally I've got a 5.1 HT system and that takes care of all my needs with a Yamaha 7.2 AVR. It is plenty loud and sounds great for movies.
I have as much interest in ATMOS as I did in having 3D TV's which is NONE !
I'm not itchy, my XPA-2 Gen 2 is doing a great job driving my Martin Logans and I figure it will take a disruptive technology before I upgrade anything.
I was more curious if Emotiva dropped a deuce with the new amplifier series since I've not seen one review yet. I know many audiophiles are highly critical of the power supply used. They seem hung up on the PA amp thing. Not that any of them have heard it, but they've already written it off.
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Post by leonski on Jul 25, 2016 18:27:45 GMT -5
Does the OP know how to evaluate such data? Is it REALLY important? What is NOT being said?
Why are the new amps being reported as having <1% distortion into 4 ohm loads?
Some stuff I would like to see is almost NEVER reported by amp makers.
1. Performance of the amp into a REAL speaker load with 45degree inductive or capactive loads?
2. Square wave performance @10khz.
All those redundant charts and graphs into resistors doesn't Really mean much.
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Post by srpawski on Jul 25, 2016 19:57:54 GMT -5
Personally I've got a 5.1 HT system and that takes care of all my needs with a Yamaha 7.2 AVR. It is plenty loud and sounds great for movies. Interesting you say that. I had installed a 7.1 channel system 5 years ago when I got my Def Techs. I recently removed two of the rears and repurposed them to my exercise room since I never really "got" the hype of 7.1. I just never really heard much out of those extra surround backs. It seems to me that everyone, or should I say most, articles I read are trying to hype up Atmos as being more of an advantaged technology than 7.1 by pushing 5.4 systems to repurpose those same extra 2 channels in 7.1 to Atmos. I think it will be interesting to see if it is more well received than 7.1, or if more is head from the extra Atmos channels than those in 7.1. I frankly can't see what much more is gained past 5.1. I don't think there could be a lot more gained in an overall system unless one is willing to spend well over 10 grand. I think most systems are pretty comparable that are in the 5-10 grand range. |
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Post by rcheliguy on Jul 26, 2016 7:51:28 GMT -5
Personally I've got a 5.1 HT system and that takes care of all my needs with a Yamaha 7.2 AVR. It is plenty loud and sounds great for movies. Interesting you say that. I had installed a 7.1 channel system 5 years ago when I got my Def Techs. I recently removed two of the rears and repurposed them to my exercise room since I never really "got" the hype of 7.1. I just never really heard much out of those extra surround backs. It seems to me that everyone, or should I say most, articles I read are trying to hype up Atmos as being more of an advantaged technology than 7.1 by pushing 5.4 systems to repurpose those same extra 2 channels in 7.1 to Atmos. I think it will be interesting to see if it is more well received than 7.1, or if more is head from the extra Atmos channels than those in 7.1. I frankly can't see what much more is gained past 5.1. I don't think there could be a lot more gained in an overall system unless one is willing to spend well over 10 grand. I think most systems are pretty comparable that are in the 5-10 grand range. My HT system is pretty inexpensive. The Definitive speakers are reasonable. About $200 for each of 4 corners and $300 for the center channel. A $600 Velodyne subwoofer. = $1700 total speakers. The Yamaha 675 was on sale on Amazon for $299 and drives it all well, but it did originally go for about $500. The Oppo 93 was $500 when I got it. So $2500 total for the audio section. Obviously that doesn't count 75" TV and wall mounting system. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 26, 2016 9:02:29 GMT -5
I'm not itchy, my XPA-2 Gen 2 is doing a great job driving my Martin Logans and I figure it will take a disruptive technology before I upgrade anything. I was more curious if Emotiva dropped a deuce with the new amplifier series since I've not seen one review yet. I know many audiophiles are highly critical of the power supply used. They seem hung up on the PA amp thing. Not that any of them have heard it, but they've already written it off. I think you pretty much summed it up as to why no regulars on here, or people with Gen 2 have switched to Gen 3 - they're just not seeing the value in the performance difference for what it would cost them, and/or are waiting for a surge of trusted members here who have switched (from Gen 2) and are marveling at the improvement before coughing up the coin. If it were close to a wash in terms of selling old and buying Gen3, like going Gen1 to Gen2, you'd see more but unfortunately it's not. I don't believe Emo dropped a deuce (but that's just IMO). Although I don't know why there aren't any reviews on Gen3 out there from the formal press, if they are selling as well as Dan says, then I'd assume they made a good move (just one that's not so enticing to members here). Now if they're getting lots of returns on the amps after the trial period and start selling a bunch of refurbs, I'd be concerned but that doesn't appear to be the case. Personally I'm waiting on Gen4 which will make Gen3 sound like trash in comparison....  I kid! I kid!  |
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Post by KeithL on Jul 26, 2016 9:55:33 GMT -5
Just to put things in perspective, as of three years ago, according to one survey, only about 1/3 of those with "serious home theater systems" were set up for 7.1 channels, with the remaining 2/3 still doing 5.1 channels. I've heard claims that, as of last year, that number was up to about half and half (as of last year, the number of people with more than 7.1 channels was too small to count). The simple fact is that people who sink a lot of money into a system to get really good sound quality aren't always in a big hurry to spend a lot more to add a few more channels. In fact, it's a fair prediction that, at least to begin with, you're going to see a much higher percentage of Atmos in low end systems. (Next year's "high end home theater in a box" will almost certainly be Atmos - but not that many people want to buy several more expensive speakers and channels of high-end amplification. And replacing a current high end 7.1 channel pre/pro with a new, and equally high-end, Atmos pre/pro is also an expensive proposition - and, so far, there simply aren't that many of them to choose from. ) Designing and building a really good home theater room is an expensive and labor-intensive proposition..... And not something you want to repeat every year or two; every time a new surround sound format comes along. It's more a matter of: " IF you happen to be building a home theater right now, then it probably makes sense to consider Atmos." (I don't know too many people who will be trading in their favorite luxury car because, if they had this year's model, they could start it from their phone, either.) Maybe everybody already has enough amps for the time being. When everyone gets ATMOS then they will buy some new ones. No offense...but I do not believe there is an onslaught of people standing in line for ATMOS. Personally I believe ATMOS is another gimmick form the industry to drum up business. With having at a half a dozen friends with dedicated HT rooms not one of the have express that ATMOS was the direction they intended to head in the future. Also, at least in my area where I am in near location to Phliadelphia, Delaware, New Jersey and New York I could not find one hi-end audio store with a ATMOS setup. |
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Post by rcheliguy on Jul 26, 2016 9:59:13 GMT -5
I've seen lots of threads were people tried out many different amps after already having amps they were happy with. Upgraditis is VERY strong in audio circles. Unfortunately when people listen to a new piece of equipment and want to hear an improvement, they frequently do because they are listening more critically to the music. If I hear, " A veil was lifted " one more time I'm going to puke. That said, I expected to hear a bunch of people extolling the virtues of the new amplifiers whether imagined or not. The fact that it is quiet is suspicious. |
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Post by rcheliguy on Jul 26, 2016 10:04:35 GMT -5
Just to put things in perspective, as of three years ago, according to one survey, only about 1/3 of those with "serious home theater systems" were set up for 7.1 channels, with the remaining 2/3 still doing 5.1 channels. I wasn't asking about HT systems. Others took my question in that direction. I understood that that the XPA Gen 3 replaced the XPA-2 Gen 2, XPR, and SA series. Was I wrong or are there more products coming? |
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