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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 31, 2016 9:54:28 GMT -5
This video may give some people the itch to experiment with their 2channel system as well as their HT. Before this video I was in the ballpark...this video makes me want to hit a home run. The video is a little long but you will get a lot out of it while re-thinking your current speaker placement to making an upgrade which can literally cost you nothing except time. I hope this video answers questions to people who are having trouble with their speaker placement. BTW pencil and paper while watching the video would be an asset. Enjoy! audiosex.pro/threads/the-art-of-rational-speaker-placement.25137/ |
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 31, 2016 10:56:52 GMT -5
Ok, cool video. Wish I had time to play with my speakers this weekend and check it out. But I will play with my placement the way he says to, and see if it works. Next weekend.
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Post by teaman on Jul 31, 2016 11:31:10 GMT -5
That is really cool. Thanks!
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 31, 2016 11:33:03 GMT -5
Ok, cool video. Wish I had time to play with my speakers this weekend and check it out. But I will play with my placement the way he says to, and see if it works. Next weekend. Take it easssssyyyy. No rush This is a fun hobby! I intend to work with this during the week...taking a whole day if necessary. One thing I wil say that even though I MAY be able to improve on my system with this video it takes patience. A half inch can make a difference. |
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 31, 2016 11:57:47 GMT -5
The thing that stood out from his presentation was the fact one can potentially make the singer lock in the center stage even if you move your head to the side? I don't know how can that be possible. I have tried however experimenting with placement and in my room the right speaker would need to be 10 inches more into the room to match the bass from the left speaker.
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Post by yves on Jul 31, 2016 15:12:51 GMT -5
For me, the thing that stood out most was he doesn't seem to care much about room acoustic treatments. The reality is that placement of both the speakers and the listening position in a room should be seen as only the chronologically first crucial step in a series of several many more all very important steps.
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Post by macromicroman on Jul 31, 2016 16:30:45 GMT -5
You can move around the room as Sheldon did at the movies in the "Big Band Theory" and make vocal sounds and listen to the echo to see where the best seating position is.
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Post by novisnick on Jul 31, 2016 16:40:47 GMT -5
Thoroughly enjoyed the video!  |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 31, 2016 19:37:16 GMT -5
The thing that stood out from his presentation was the fact one can potentially make the singer lock in the center stage even if you move your head to the side? I don't know how can that be possible. I have tried however experimenting with placement and in my room the right speaker would need to be 10 inches more into the room to match the bass from the left speaker. Pedrocols...take the test and experiment when you have a good day...like I mentioned a pencil and paper would help Alonso there is website...GOOGLE The Art of Rational Speaker Placement. The way I look at this...it may improve my system and it may be neutral. As I mentioned I am in the ballpark of what he illustrated. I have a 3dimensional sound with the voices center staged...I really don't know how much better it an get but IMO I like to experiment. |
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 31, 2016 20:08:50 GMT -5
The thing that stood out from his presentation was the fact one can potentially make the singer lock in the center stage even if you move your head to the side? I don't know how can that be possible. I have tried however experimenting with placement and in my room the right speaker would need to be 10 inches more into the room to match the bass from the left speaker. Pedrocols...take the test and experiment when you have a good day...like I mentioned a pencil and paper would help Alonso there is website...GOOGLE The Art of Rational Speaker Placement. The way I look at this...it may improve my system and it may be neutral. As I mentioned I am in the ballpark of what he illustrated. I have a 3dimensional sound with the voices center staged...I really don't know how much better it an get but IMO I like to experiment. Precisely! However, it is challenging when you don't have a dedicated listening room. If I was to place the speakers for the best bass response the will literally be on the way for me to perform daily activities in the home. But sometimes you have to compromise... |
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Post by bluemeanies on Aug 1, 2016 6:00:53 GMT -5
Pedrocols...take the test and experiment when you have a good day...like I mentioned a pencil and paper would help Alonso there is website...GOOGLE The Art of Rational Speaker Placement. The way I look at this...it may improve my system and it may be neutral. As I mentioned I am in the ballpark of what he illustrated. I have a 3dimensional sound with the voices center staged...I really don't know how much better it an get but IMO I like to experiment. Precisely! However, it is challenging when you don't have a dedicated listening room. If I was to place the speakers for the best bass response the will literally be on the way for me to perform daily activities in the home. But sometimes you have to compromise... Understood. However...haha...take the time to look around the house and you may surprise yourself with options. |
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Post by thomasd92 on Aug 3, 2016 11:35:56 GMT -5
Well last night I experimented with this set up method. I was not sure it would work . I kept thinking how do you lock the vocals in the center no matter where you move left and right. I am not 100% dialed in but I am very close.I am about 98%. I watched the video again and got how this happens. The author said think of the sound as two spheres of sound that you must get to overlap at the main listening point. Once I started to think like that it came together for me. He was right that the speakers will not look the same when you are done. My left speaker is farther from the wall then my right. My room is 15x15 not ideal for sound. The left speaker is closed in on the side and back while the right is open on the side for my hall way. I have Jennifer Warnes Famousblueraincoat which has the song that you are to use. The tow in is what took me by surprise. When I was done the left speaker is towed in past the main listening point and the right speaker is towed in almost in a straight line to the main listening point. I raised the front of each speaker a 1/2 inch to raise the center. I never towed speakers that much before thinking it would colaspe the sound stage. Well with the song Ballad of the Runaway Horse there is mostly base and vocals so not much sound stage to think about. Well now I wanted to try some of my favorite songs and hear what happens. I thought this will not sound right, those speakers just do not look right like that. I was use to everything thing being measured equally. I have Salk Sound HT3's, Parasound A-21 and Wyerd4Sound STP-SE preamp for two channel listening. I feed it with my Sony Hap-Z1es, Music Hall 7.0 turntable and Audio Space CDP-8A cd player so my sound was good before I started but you know how it is ,you are always looking to make it sound better. Well I started listening to different female vocalist and I could hear a major difference in the sound. All the singers where right in the middle and raised to be coming straight at me instead of below me. I closed my eyes and it was like the singers where right there on stage in front of me . The speakers faded into the background and disappeared. I was pleasantly surprised that this method does work. I am retired so I had time to try this . It does take time and patience to get it right. My advice is to try this you may like it.
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2016 13:17:58 GMT -5
Yes toe in is where it's at! It's amazing what differences toe in can make to the soundstage
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Post by hemster on Aug 3, 2016 13:33:50 GMT -5
Yes toe in is where it's at! It's amazing what differences toe in can make to the soundstage Not always. It depends... sometimes toe-in collapses the soundstage, especially if the F/L speakers are close together. So.. it depends. It's always worth experimenting so see what would work in one's own room. |
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Post by ludi on Aug 3, 2016 13:41:42 GMT -5
I watched the video and it is an interesting approach. I want to give it a try. The weekend I ordered the CD of Rob Wasserman with the advised track, and today I received it. Some work to be done this weekend   |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 3, 2016 13:55:02 GMT -5
Yes toe in is where it's at! It's amazing what differences toe in can make to the soundstage Not always. It depends... sometimes toe-in collapses the soundstage, especially if the F/L speakers are close together. So.. it depends. It's always worth experimenting so see what would work in one's own room. Yes, I meant that experimenting in different degrees of toe in is important not that more toe in is better. |
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Post by thomasd92 on Aug 3, 2016 14:24:46 GMT -5
The tilting of the speakers brings the voice up. I would like to bring it up a little more but my speakers get a little unstable if I bring the tilt up too much. I feel I need a little more tilt to bring the voice a little higher.I will have to think about how to do it and keep my speakers from falling.
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 3, 2016 15:33:53 GMT -5
I know in my case a one inch toe in or out makes so much difference is not even funny.
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Post by hjstack on Aug 3, 2016 17:17:08 GMT -5
I tried this as well and found much improvement, will continue to adjust using this method....it works!
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Post by drtrey3 on Aug 3, 2016 18:02:08 GMT -5
And the Rob Wasserman cd is great, with the tune used being stellar!
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