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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 20, 2016 21:58:31 GMT -5
Something like this. Jolida Fusion Dac Pre (minus the tubes) I like them but want a solid state version. Then what you are wanting is a XDA-2 with Wifi and expanded pre-amplifier capabilities. Or a better BasX PT-100 pre-amplifier with a better DAC. That would be a good product. I might buy that. However, I thought the OP started this thread and survey asking about a low cost XMC-1 based Audio/Video processor with Dirac, and how much would we be willing to pay for it. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 20, 2016 22:09:10 GMT -5
I'm not at all suggesting that IP protection isn't on the list of reasons for Emotiva manufacturing in the US, just that there are lots of other reasons. Right now I suspect that the main reason is capacity, manufacturing the volume selling processor appears to be beyond their current infrastructure. Judging by the back orders and delayed releases in what are after all far less complex products than a HT processor. It is interesting that they stopped the UMC-200 before there was replacement available, but even that isn't unusual, a number of Emotive products have suffered the same fate. Continuity may not be a high priority for Emotiva, I might just ask that question when I get to Emofest next year (there will be an Emofest next year  ) Cheers Gary |
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Post by wrinklemash on Sept 20, 2016 22:20:19 GMT -5
It is interesting that they stopped the UMC-200 before there was replacement available, but even that isn't unusual, a number of Emotive products have suffered the same fate. Continuity may not be a high priority for Emotiva, I might just ask that question when I get to Emofest next year (there will be an Emofest next year ) Cheers Gary If available at the Warehouse Sale on Sept. 30, I might just ask Dan that myself. |
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Post by Percussionista on Sept 24, 2016 13:55:13 GMT -5
I'm not at all suggesting that IP protection isn't on the list of reasons for Emotiva manufacturing in the US, just that there are lots of other reasons. Right now I suspect that the main reason is capacity, manufacturing the volume selling processor appears to be beyond their current infrastructure. Judging by the back orders and delayed releases in what are after all far less complex products than a HT processor. It is interesting that they stopped the UMC-200 before there was replacement available, but even that isn't unusual, a number of Emotive products have suffered the same fate. Continuity may not be a high priority for Emotiva, I might just ask that question when I get to Emofest next year (there will be an Emofest next year ) On the continuity thing it could be partly what you mention - capacity of their manufacturing line(s), and people to honcho/design all in parallel. But also I might think it's part of how they keep expenses down. If you keep a product going and then come out with a new one, you have a bunch of old inventory to get rid of, possibly at a loss. Better from the standpoint of their bottom line (and ultimately prices to us) for them to clear out an old model completely at reasonable prices, then go for the new model. Yes, of course, not great for continuity, but it may simply be better for all of us monetarily. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 24, 2016 16:05:23 GMT -5
I'm not at all suggesting that IP protection isn't on the list of reasons for Emotiva manufacturing in the US, just that there are lots of other reasons. Right now I suspect that the main reason is capacity, manufacturing the volume selling processor appears to be beyond their current infrastructure. Judging by the back orders and delayed releases in what are after all far less complex products than a HT processor. It is interesting that they stopped the UMC-200 before there was replacement available, but even that isn't unusual, a number of Emotive products have suffered the same fate. Continuity may not be a high priority for Emotiva, I might just ask that question when I get to Emofest next year (there will be an Emofest next year ) On the continuity thing it could be partly what you mention - capacity of their manufacturing line(s), and people to honcho/design all in parallel. But also I might think it's part of how they keep expenses down. If you keep a product going and then come out with a new one, you have a bunch of old inventory to get rid of, possibly at a loss. Better from the standpoint of their bottom line (and ultimately prices to us) for them to clear out an old model completely at reasonable prices, then go for the new model. Yes, of course, not great for continuity, but it may simply be better for all of us monetarily. I've been involved in manufacturing pretty much all of my working life, even had my own manufacturing business for a number of years. There is no doubt some planning involved in the run down of one product and the build up of its replacement and I could understand a few weeks of gap between for a business of Emotivas size and market. But months, many months, over a year in some cases, I just don't buy that Emotiva are that bad at running out old stock that they have to allow that length of time. It's actually more unlikely than that because they would actually have to be planning on being that bad. It just doesn't wash with me, they seem way smarter than that. I suspect that there may be other reasons, perhaps there are other issues, third party manufacturing capacity availability, necessary components delayed development, ramp up of local production, etc. But all of the other reasons could be overcome by devoting the necessary resources to advanced planning, so it eventually boils down to a lower priority being given to continuity. They simply have bigger fish to fry. Cheers Gary |
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Post by vneal on Sept 24, 2016 17:28:12 GMT -5
Usually secondary products many times are as good and sometimes better than the more expensive original
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Post by mdanderson on Nov 28, 2016 0:46:48 GMT -5
I loved my UMC-200 because it had 7.1 analog inputs and I could use 7.1 outputs from my Oppo 105. I love the dacs in the 105 and don't want to lose the capability to use them in a prepro. The XMC-1 is too expensive for me so I would love to see a lower priced prepro from Emotiva that has 7.1 inputs.
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