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Post by 03sonic0 on Nov 19, 2016 12:44:59 GMT -5
Hello fellas
I finally got around to getting my gear all hooked up here is what I am running.
RTIA9s fronts CSIA 6 center FXIA6 surround SVS Sub Emotive XPA 1 (2 of them mono block to run the fronts) Emotive XPA 5 to run the rears and center Sherbourn PT 7030 receiver/pre amp
Here is what I am being told. * I need a dedicated 20 amp breaker because the power to run everything * I need a Furman Elite PFI-13 conditioner
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Post by novisnick on Nov 19, 2016 12:53:52 GMT -5
Hello fellas
I finally got around to getting my gear all hooked up here is what I am running.
RTIA9s fronts CSIA 6 center FXIA6 surround SVS Sub Emotive XPA 1 (2 of them mono block to run the fronts) Emotive XPA 5 to run the rears and center Sherbourn PT 7030 receiver/pre amp
Here is what I am being told. * I need a dedicated 20 amp breaker because the power to run everything * I need a Furman Elite PFI-13 conditioner
Does this sound correct?? You don't "have" to have a dedicated 20 amp circuit, I utilize two 15 amp circuits and Im running a boat load of gear, including a set of Emotiva XPR-1 which are 1,000 watt @ 8 ohms MONOBLOCKS. Of cource in a HT situation Id never draw that amount of power. These are on their own circuit and everything else in on the other. No problems at all. Conditioner? I use a Belkin, its nice to have and purchase what you can afford. They're prices go from reasonable to "you're out of your mind"!!! |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 19, 2016 12:54:35 GMT -5
Not really for the 20 amp breaker. If you are tripping your breaker or have a bunch of stuff connected other than what you mentioned then yes you would want either a second power connection connected to a 15 amp breaker or a single 20 amp breaker. I also would run a new thicker line not just change the breaker. But if it's not, then I wouldn't worry. The majority of the time the gear isn't drawing a fraction of the power though running at full power on everything you may max out the breaker. If you were worried you could try hooking the sub to a different power outlet. Currently i have a 50 inch tv, a 40 inch tv, a desktop computer, xpa-1 gen 2 (x2) a DC-1, a playstation 3 and a blu ray player all hooked up to a 15 amp breaker. Now granted it is at the limit of its capability. If I engage class A mode and then turn everything on and then run a 3d intensive game once, I did manage to trip the breaker. But other than that, it didn't really do anything and I run it every day without an issue. Power conditioner - no, you don't need it. Actually Emotiva reccomends plugging it in to the wall. Power conditioners can limit the power required by the power amp on quick surges. Some have reported success, some have reported a sort of choking of the dynamics. Also you would be surprised at how little pwoer the speakers consume - even the fronts. It's not enough to max out either amp - even by a bit. However despite this I have found the XPA-1 gen 2 simply does better than the XPA-5 - and by a smaller margin the XPA-2 gen 2. Before buying power conditioners and breakers, I would instead TREAT my room, work on speaker positioning or buy higher performance speakers. These would bring about some real improvements that you can hear. Rather than maybe miniscule improvements. I've used these with success. www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-48-x-2--1001.htmlI also use the cheaper less effective version. Just be warned it's butt ugly. But it does make a difference in large quantities. Enough for me to have sound that I didn't think was possible in my small asymetrical room. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EIHFOTM/ Not shown, the ATS panels are behind me on the rear wall. You also don't need that much to make a difference. Even one ATS panel behind me at head level made a significant change. The rest were small but incremental steps which helped. |
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Post by 03sonic0 on Nov 19, 2016 13:07:14 GMT -5
Not really for the 20 amp breaker. If you are tripping your breaker or have a bunch of stuff connected other than what you mentioned then yes you would want either a second power connection connected to a 15 amp breaker or a single 20 amp breaker. I also would run a new thicker line not just change the breaker. But if it's not, then I wouldn't worry. The majority of the time the gear isn't drawing a fraction of the power though running at full power on everything you may max out the breaker. If you were worried you could try hooking the sub to a different power outlet. Currently i have a 50 inch tv, a 40 inch tv, a desktop computer, xpa-1 gen 2 (x2) a DC-1, a playstation 3 and a blu ray player all hooked up to a 15 amp breaker. Now granted it is at the limit of its capability. If I engage class A mode and then turn everything on and then run a 3d intensive game once, I did manage to trip the breaker. But other than that, it didn't really do anything and I run it every day without an issue. Power conditioner - no, you don't need it. Actually Emotiva reccomends plugging it in to the wall. Power conditioners can limit the power required by the power amp on quick surges. Some have reported success, some have reported a sort of choking of the dynamics. Also you would be surprised at how little pwoer the speakers consume - even the fronts. It's not enough to max out either amp - even by a bit. However despite this I have found the XPA-1 gen 2 simply does better than the XPA-5 - and by a smaller margin the XPA-2 gen 2. Before buying power conditioners and breakers, I would instead TREAT my room, work on speaker positioning or buy higher performance speakers. These would bring about some real improvements that you can hear. Rather than maybe miniscule improvements. I've used these with success. www.atsacoustics.com/item--ATS-Acoustic-Panel-24-x-48-x-2--1001.htmlI also use the cheaper less effective version. Just be warned it's butt ugly. But it does make a difference in large quantities. Enough for me to have sound that I didn't think was possible in my small asymetrical room. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EIHFOTM/Not shown, the ATS panels are behind me on the rear wall. You also don't need that much to make a difference. Even one ATS panel behind me at head level made a significant change. The rest were small but incremental steps which helped. I was told without a conditioner if I caught a power surge it could fry my system? that is why I am so concerned. |
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Post by 03sonic0 on Nov 19, 2016 13:08:35 GMT -5
I was told without a conditioner if I caught a power surge I could cook my system, that is why I am so concerned. He also said the XPA1's will cook these front polks but better fronts just are not in the budget at this time.
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Post by novisnick on Nov 19, 2016 13:10:19 GMT -5
I would never recommend plugging Emotiva power amps into anything but the wall receptacle or a CMX-2.  |
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Post by hemster on Nov 19, 2016 13:13:15 GMT -5
I was told without a conditioner if I caught a power surge I could cook my system, that is why I am so concerned. He also said the XPA1's will cook these front polks but better fronts just are not in the budget at this time. As others have said, plug in the amps directly into the wall outlet. I really doubt that the XPA-1s will "cook" the Polks (with normal usage). |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 19, 2016 13:17:39 GMT -5
I was told without a conditioner if I caught a power surge I could cook my system, that is why I am so concerned. He also said the XPA1's will cook these front polks but better fronts just are not in the budget at this time. The only way the amps could "cook" your speakers is if there is a serious malfunction or you crank the power to them to unrecomended db's. |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 19, 2016 13:20:37 GMT -5
Cooking the polks....rubbish. My speakers are rated for 400 watts @ 4 ohms. I run it with 1000 watts @ 4 ohm XPA-1 gen 2s all day. I also will have no problem running it with an XPR-1 which does 2000 watts @ 4 ohms. I've also run speakers rated at a 100 watts with them. I feel comfortable running 20 watt speakers with them - which I've done with an XPA-2. Now there is a caveat. If you are insane and running things at well past the speakers comfortable limits, and you'll hear them because the speaker won't sound good and make weird noises, then yes, you could especially if you leave them on for long times at those volumes like at a party. But at that point you will be getting close to deafness. You are morel likely to cause damage with an underpowered amp than an overpowered amp due to clipping. As for the power conditioner. The Emotiva amps are protected from power surges by their internal protection. It will trip when the surge is too much or too little. Look, these units are built like tanks.  Nothing can protect you in case of a lightning strike - not even a power conditioner or a surge protector. Only thing that can stop that is a whole house surge protector outside - maybe. Lightning strikes are too powerful. I definitely wouldn't plug my XPA-1 gen 2's in to a power conditioner - though that is just my opinion (and Emotiva's). However I do use a power conditioner (just because I happened to have one) for my lower powered electronics like my PC. They are more finnicky towards power fluctuations and so I thought wouldn't hurt. But the amps or my audio gear? I leave them without. If I didn't have one, they would probably do just fine too! |
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Post by vneal on Nov 19, 2016 15:51:28 GMT -5
I use Furman line conditioners and believe they are the best for the money. Personally I use it so I can use the 15 outlets. I think your better off with a newer preamp or processor. Use the receiver for garage duty.
I use 10 of the 15 outlets
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2016 17:19:48 GMT -5
Without a "power conditioner"
my system receives power unconditionally.
Bill
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Post by creimes on Nov 19, 2016 19:29:41 GMT -5
System is a great start, only thing I would change up in the future is the speakers, just my .02
Chad
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Post by stiehl11 on Nov 19, 2016 19:47:11 GMT -5
Hello fellas
I finally got around to getting my gear all hooked up here is what I am running.
RTIA9s fronts CSIA 6 center FXIA6 surround SVS Sub Emotive XPA 1 (2 of them mono block to run the fronts) Emotive XPA 5 to run the rears and center Sherbourn PT 7030 receiver/pre amp
Here is what I am being told. * I need a dedicated 20 amp breaker because the power to run everything * I need a Furman Elite PFI-13 conditioner
Does this sound correct?? Power conditioners are nice and with all your gear plugged into it rather than a mess of power cables running down the back of your rack it can help clean up your appearance. I believe with my Belkin I have (I think) a $500,000 protection guarantee if anything plugged into it gets fried. So, it can give you piece of mind in that regards. But, a personal items insurance policy does the same thing and can be cheaper (or at least less up front). You can occasionally find Belkin, APC, and Furman conditioners for reasonable prices. As others have said, don't concern yourself with a 20 amp breaker and service unless you're tripping your current breaker. And, if you are tripping it, try replacing it first as breakers can go bad. If you do need service to your breaker panel make sure you have a trained and licensed professional do the work. It's not worth your life or burning down your house at a later date. Unless you're living in a concrete box with no furniture, don't concern yourself with room treatments unless you have noticed an issue. Room treatments are beneficial; some rooms need it more than others. Most people do fine without. And finally, enjoy what gear you have. If it does it for you, there's no need to get more or better (or different). A lot of people will tell you how to spend your money but don't have a clue. If you're happy with your sound, pay them no mind. If you think you might want to improve it, identify what you want to improve first before you solicit advice. Then listen to the product before buying. |
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Post by 03sonic0 on Nov 19, 2016 22:16:24 GMT -5
I would never recommend plugging Emotiva power amps into anything but the wall receptacle or a CMX-2. View Attachment How many would be needed for 3 amps? |
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Post by 03sonic0 on Nov 19, 2016 22:17:05 GMT -5
System is a great start, only thing I would change up in the future is the speakers, just my .02 Chad Well this post was kinda useless. Thx |
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Post by novisnick on Nov 19, 2016 22:27:56 GMT -5
I would never recommend plugging Emotiva power amps into anything but the wall receptacle or a CMX-2. How many would be needed for 3 amps? My two XPR-1's are on the CMX-2 and the XPA-5 and some other gear are plugged into a CMX-6, everything else is plugged into a Belkin. Subs are plugged into the wall directly around the room. |
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Post by creimes on Nov 20, 2016 2:58:52 GMT -5
System is a great start, only thing I would change up in the future is the speakers, just my .02 Chad Well this post was kinda useless. Thx I mean the gear you have is great, I have owned the XPA-5 and loved it but never had the chance to have the XPA-1's, and the 7030 is a really nice sounding pre/pro and I have also owned the Polk's you have and while they are decent speakers there are other options out there in the same price range that are a step up in overall SQ, but the RTIA9's do sounmd a whole lot better with good amplification as most try and power them with wimpy receiver's. As far as others have mentioned, Amps either plugged into wall, I use a CMX-2 for my amps and a CMX-6 for the rest of my stuff and I ran two dedicated 15amp circuits to where my equipment resides, that Furman looks real nice but that's a hefty price tag for my income haha. Chad |
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 21, 2016 18:27:03 GMT -5
System is a great start, only thing I would change up in the future is the speakers, just my .02 Chad Well this post was kinda useless. Thx  |
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Post by gus4emo on Nov 21, 2016 19:25:32 GMT -5
I would never recommend plugging Emotiva power amps into anything but the wall receptacle or a CMX-2. View Attachment Same here, I have 2 of them suckers, everything is perfect, also have a CMX6 in the back for a sub and projector, a lamp which is not on while watching movies anyway, and of course a wireless audio receiver for the sub from Outlaw..... |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 21, 2016 19:30:25 GMT -5
Five XPA-1Ls plugged directly into two 20-amp dedicated lines. Everything else plugged into a PS Audio Dectet.
Russ
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