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Post by supermac on Dec 3, 2016 15:22:16 GMT -5
Are these better than their old x ref subs?
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Post by USAFRetired on Dec 3, 2016 15:32:21 GMT -5
Are these better than their old x ref subs? That's what I am waiting to hear since I have an X-ref 12 that is still faithfully working... |
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Post by Jim on Dec 3, 2016 15:36:16 GMT -5
I don't need another sub.... BLASHPHEMER!!! NEVER, and I do mean NEVER say you don't "need" something in either audio or computing. Another sub is like - crucial to your personal existence. Mark Friends don't let friends talk about how many subs they own. LOL |
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Post by Jim on Dec 3, 2016 15:37:40 GMT -5
Are these better than their old x ref subs? That's what I am waiting to hear since I have an X-ref 12 that is still faithfully working... I hate to ask - but what were the gripes with the old subs? They just weren't great performers and maybe had plate amp issues? People talk about them like they were "bad" - but I've never heard one before. |
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Post by supermac on Dec 3, 2016 15:40:56 GMT -5
That's what I am waiting to hear since I have an X-ref 12 that is still faithfully working... I hate to ask - but what were the gripes with the old subs? They just weren't great performers and maybe had plate amp issues? People talk about them like they were "bad" - but I've never heard one before. I have the x ref 10. It has been pretty decent. I wouldn't mind a 12" sub though. Not needed but it is a want... that's the the hobby I guess. |
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Post by USAFRetired on Dec 3, 2016 16:30:17 GMT -5
I have two subs, a B & W asw 600 (10 in) and the X ref-12, make my walls rattle. Not sure that's what I really want though.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 3, 2016 17:18:41 GMT -5
The previous subwoofers were great sounding units. Unfortunately, Sonovox/Bash, the amplifier vendor is totally unreliable and doesn't support their products after they sell them. They also don't provide support documentation so that their customers (us) can service them properly. So, we discontinued the line until we could re-design a new amplifier to replace the Bash units.
Now we have brand-new amplifiers that are rock solid, and we service and support them ourselves. Also, we heard from many of our customers that they want a little extra slam on the bottom end, So the new models are ported or have passive radiators is to extend the low-frequency output.
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 3, 2016 17:28:06 GMT -5
I have to echo novisnick, excellent thread. My criteria for a good sub is simply the tightest bass possible (absolutely no woofers flopping around, port noise, etc). I couldn't care lass for bass < 35 hz, and absolutely never play loud. Mostly I play music, sound effects are not critical but would prefer something that hits a little lower than my bookshelfs. So... what do I need to purchase from Emotiva here?  Recommendations? |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 3, 2016 18:06:05 GMT -5
Again, I just don't see how anyone could go wrong with a set of matched subs! Especially at these price points!! Why aren't they sold out yet? Only reason I can think of is A) waiting for the Airmotiv's B) already have too many subs!,,,,,,don't know how that could happen!!  C) haven't started the system in the bathroom yet!!  D) haven't dug all of the change out of the sofa yet  |
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Post by Jim on Dec 3, 2016 19:14:59 GMT -5
The previous subwoofers were great sounding units. Unfortunately, Sonovox/Bash, the amplifier vendor is totally unreliable and doesn't support their products after they sell them. They also don't provide support documentation so that their customers (us) can service them properly. So, we discontinued the line until we could re-design a new amplifier to replace the Bash units. Now we have brand-new amplifiers that are rock solid, and we service and support them ourselves. Also, we heard from many of our customers that they want a little extra slam on the bottom end, So the new models are ported or have passive radiators is to extend the low-frequency output. Dan - I have to say thank you for answering my question. I didn't expect such an honest and direct answer! I felt like I was being rather forward by asking what was wrong with an old product -- rather than talking about the latest and improved product. I have a feeling lots of more cool things are going to come with Rory on board! Looking forward to hearing (and I'm sure buying) more. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 3, 2016 19:21:49 GMT -5
Hi Jim,
Well, you live and learn...
This is one of the few times we didn't take complete control of the design and we lived to regret it.
The old subs were really nice except for the spotty reliability of the module... this would have been a minor annoyance if we received proper support from the manufacture of the amp plate. But they hung us out to dry. Lesson learned.
We have 100% control now.
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Post by Jim on Dec 3, 2016 19:26:57 GMT -5
Dan Laufman - favorite quote of mine: "If you're not making any mistakes then you're not challenging yourself and doing new things" Live and learn, indeed.
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Post by supermac on Dec 3, 2016 20:06:56 GMT -5
The previous subwoofers were great sounding units. Unfortunately, Sonovox/Bash, the amplifier vendor is totally unreliable and doesn't support their products after they sell them. They also don't provide support documentation so that their customers (us) can service them properly. So, we discontinued the line until we could re-design a new amplifier to replace the Bash units. Now we have brand-new amplifiers that are rock solid, and we service and support them ourselves. Also, we heard from many of our customers that they want a little extra slam on the bottom end, So the new models are ported or have passive radiators is to extend the low-frequency output. Good to know, thanks Mr. Dan. Maybe that's why I couldn't find my x ref 10 on the trade in list...   |
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Post by brutiarti on Dec 3, 2016 21:55:21 GMT -5
I might pick a pair, awesome price but hopefully they are better than my SVS 12nsd
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Post by bolle on Dec 4, 2016 7:58:03 GMT -5
I am not in the market for subs but I just wanted to say thanks to Dan for the information and openness here in the boards in the last days. Great insight and really helps to understand some delays or decision. So - thank you!
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Post by Jay335 on Dec 9, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -5
More info on the BasX 8" sub (S8)?
Release date?
Physical dimensions? (looking for something compact, like 12x12x8 or smaller)
Price?
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Post by kewlmunky on Dec 9, 2016 12:06:08 GMT -5
More info on the BasX 8" sub (S8)? Release date? Physical dimensions? (looking for something compact, like 12x12x8 or smaller) Price? The price, I believe, was quoted as $199 in the newest podcast. If you check the link to the BasX sub manual under either the S10 or S12, you will get documentation on all three models. I don't remember hearing a release date, though. |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Dec 12, 2016 19:28:21 GMT -5
More info on the BasX 8" sub (S8)? Release date? Physical dimensions? (looking for something compact, like 12x12x8 or smaller) Price? It's on the site now. Oddly, it looks to be tuned lower than the S10. Looking at the frequency response graph, anything under 45hz the S8 has more output, with the S10 providing more midbass. I would have expected the exact opposite. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 12, 2016 19:54:27 GMT -5
The S8 is tuned a bit lower, but remember it can't move as much air as the 10, and it has less power to work with. I've got to tell you though, all of these new subs just kill their competition at their respective price points.
They sound great, look nice, are very well constructed, and they are incredible values. Can you imagine a tight little HT system with 4 of the S8's in it?? It would hit low, have very smooth in-room response, pressurize the room evenly, and kick butt on a single larger woofer. All for less than the cost of a typical 12" sub... nice.
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Post by Axis on Dec 12, 2016 20:16:51 GMT -5
Where the hell is the Thread Airmotiv Subs on the site. Get with it people !
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