New BAsX subs are on the site!!

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The BasX S8 and S10 sound so similar to one another that it's uncanny, but I would give the edge to the S10 on punch. The S8 is no slouch, and it's a lot of sub for a little money, but the S10 has more distortion-limited output (think CEA 2010), and the S12 even more than that. And despite their low price, none of them will leave you cold. The S8 would be perfect for experimenting with multi-sub setups.

[stsandhu]

@roryb in a 13' x 13' room used mostly for gaming, would you consider a single 10, or two 8s as the better option?

[niuguy]

Y'all think the the 8" sub would round out the low end of a nearfield Airmotiv 6s solution?

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Stsandhu, I would recommend the single S10 sub for gaming, since it has the impact you need.

Niuguy, a BasX S8 would be on the small side for a pair of Airmotiv 6s, but in a nearfield environment it should be enough for most material. If you were listening 8-10 feet away in a bigger room, I would recommend an S12 for the best bass extension to complement the naturally deeper bass of the 6s, but you could also have fun with an S10. Which reminds me, an Airmotiv S10 would probably be the ideal pairing for a serious monitoring setup using the Airmotiv 6s. Even cleaner and more impactful than the BasX subs (which are no slouch in that department).

[niuguy]

Dec 13, 2016 20:27:50 GMT -5 @roryb said:

Stsandhu, I would recommend the single S10 sub for gaming, since it has the impact you need.

Niuguy, a BasX S8 would be on the small side for a pair of Airmotiv 6s, but in a nearfield environment it should be enough for most material. If you were listening 8-10 feet away in a bigger room, I would recommend an S12 for the best bass extension to complement the naturally deeper bass of the 6s, but you could also have fun with an S10. Which reminds me, an Airmotiv S10 would probably be the ideal pairing for a serious monitoring setup using the Airmotiv 6s. Even cleaner and more impactful than the BasX subs (which are no slouch in that department).

Thank you!

[craigk49]

Took the plunge on a S10 to compliment a pair of 4S monitors in a desktop setup. When I was thinking about the 4S' I thought they would be lacking bottom end and I would eventually need to add a sub. But, after they arrived I was satisfied with their low end performance and decided that maybe I didn't need the sub. This was way before the S10 was released. In the mean time I added a set of isoACOUSTIC stands to get them off the desktop and that made a surprising difference in making the big soundstage into a HUGE soundstage. Before that, I had them elevated on some foam isolating pads. The difference was similar to the difference between a photo that is slightly out of focus to another that is in perfect focus. The out of focus version might look great until it is compared with the in perfect focus version. The stands also tightened up the bass and lower midrange. I was a happy listener, Then I saw the announcement about new subs and thought maybe it was time.


I really doubted the sub would change much since lots of popular music has little or no content below about 40 Hz. I do listen to some stuff by David Helpling and David Arkenstone as well as a bit of classical, jazz and rock. Maybe I would hear some difference on organ and synth.


I was wrong. After plugging in the S10 and making some minor adjustments - set up is pretty easy - I wasn't prepared for some of the stunning differences that missing bottom octave makes!

The soundstage grew even wider and deeper. Individual vocalists and instruments became more three dimensional. The 4S' alone, were really good at disappearing and throwing a deep and wide soundstage. But, the sub seemed to fill out things in a way that took the system to an even higher level. It is very easy to "hear" the venue on recordings made in halls using binaural or other high quality techniques, for example. 

Then I played some files I knew had info below 40 Hz and I was bowled over by the tight clean way the S10 seamlessly presented low synth lines. A great example is David Helpling's "Worlds" track on his Between Green and Blue release. The low synth shows up about 30 seconds into the track and my jaw hit the desk! I had listened to the track dozens of times before and wasn't prepared for the difference a good sub would make. 

On Dire Straits' "On Every Street" Iron Hand track there is some lower synth that accents a few moments. I have never heard those synth lines sound quite so good! 

In an article I read years ago, the author argued that a sub added substantial realism to soundstage reproduction since many venues have low frequency information in the ambience. I think that the way the S10 seems to add depth, width and more three dimension convinces me the author was right. All in all, I am a happy Emotiva customer made even happier. Can you tell?

The system

Hackintosh> Roon (player, file management)> Chord Mojo (DAC/Pre)> 4S/S10. PS Audio power management, Pangea power cords. RCA connects are Mogami and Gotham LCOF conductors.

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Thanks, Craig, for the excellent feedback. The S10 really is an excellent sub and is the best of the bunch for music, particularly where tightness and impact are needed.

[bootman]

Dec 3, 2016 17:18:41 GMT -5 Dan Laufman said:

The previous subwoofers were great sounding units. Unfortunately, Sonovox/Bash, the amplifier vendor is totally unreliable and doesn't support their products after they sell them. They also don't provide support documentation so that their customers (us) can service them properly. So, we discontinued the line until we could re-design a new amplifier to replace the Bash units.

Now we have brand-new amplifiers that are rock solid, and we service and support them ourselves. Also, we heard from many of our customers that they want a little extra slam on the bottom end, So the new models are ported or have passive radiators is to extend the low-frequency output.

Any possibility for those of us with a ref unit to buy a replacement amp with the new design that will fit the previous models?

[garbulky]

Dec 18, 2016 16:37:36 GMT -5 craigk49 said:

Took the plunge on a S10 to compliment a pair of 4S monitors in a desktop setup. When I was thinking about the 4S' I thought they would be lacking bottom end and I would eventually need to add a sub. But, after they arrived I was satisfied with their low end performance and decided that maybe I didn't need the sub. This was way before the S10 was released. In the mean time I added a set of isoACOUSTIC stands to get them off the desktop and that made a surprising difference in making the big soundstage into a HUGE soundstage. Before that, I had them elevated on some foam isolating pads. The difference was similar to the difference between a photo that is slightly out of focus to another that is in perfect focus. The out of focus version might look great until it is compared with the in perfect focus version. The stands also tightened up the bass and lower midrange. I was a happy listener, Then I saw the announcement about new subs and thought maybe it was time.


I really doubted the sub would change much since lots of popular music has little or no content below about 40 Hz. I do listen to some stuff by David Helpling and David Arkenstone as well as a bit of classical, jazz and rock. Maybe I would hear some difference on organ and synth.


I was wrong. After plugging in the S10 and making some minor adjustments - set up is pretty easy - I wasn't prepared for some of the stunning differences that missing bottom octave makes!

The soundstage grew even wider and deeper. Individual vocalists and instruments became more three dimensional. The 4S' alone, were really good at disappearing and throwing a deep and wide soundstage. But, the sub seemed to fill out things in a way that took the system to an even higher level. It is very easy to "hear" the venue on recordings made in halls using binaural or other high quality techniques, for example. 

Then I played some files I knew had info below 40 Hz and I was bowled over by the tight clean way the S10 seamlessly presented low synth lines. A great example is David Helpling's "Worlds" track on his Between Green and Blue release. The low synth shows up about 30 seconds into the track and my jaw hit the desk! I had listened to the track dozens of times before and wasn't prepared for the difference a good sub would make. 

On Dire Straits' "On Every Street" Iron Hand track there is some lower synth that accents a few moments. I have never heard those synth lines sound quite so good! 

In an article I read years ago, the author argued that a sub added substantial realism to soundstage reproduction since many venues have low frequency information in the ambience. I think that the way the S10 seems to add depth, width and more three dimension convinces me the author was right. All in all, I am a happy Emotiva customer made even happier. Can you tell?

The system

Hackintosh> Roon (player, file management)> Chord Mojo (DAC/Pre)> 4S/S10. PS Audio power management, Pangea power cords. RCA connects are Mogami and Gotham LCOF conductors.

What you said is similar to my experience with subs. THe thing that surprised me is that the sound become more three dimensional and had depth to it. It also felt more solid. If you can swing it, try two of those subs. Using two is a surprising improvement. It's not about loudness. I imagine a single S10 gets very loud. But there is more of that three dimensionality you were talking about.