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Post by sirreal on Dec 13, 2016 21:14:37 GMT -5
I'm new to both Emotiva and the Forum so sorry in advance my questions have been seen before.
So far I've only purchased the BasX-300 amp and been very pleased with sound quality. Notice I didn't say sound quality for the price. I have several more expensive amps around (Parasound, Rotel, Nad, and Anthem) and have been at this hobby for quite a while and the BasX-300 is really a very good sounding amp. I purchased it just to power surround speakers but of course had to fire it up with some of the main speakers I have around to check it out. Using a Parasound DAC through a Rotel Pre-Amp and Magnepan .7 speakers the Emotiva amp really exceeded my expectations. Tight and focused with a real sense of transparency. Best of all it just sounds right and makes me want to keep listening.
The experience with the amp has me interested in more Emotiva gear. Also I've been watching youtube clips with Dan and like the over all philosophy and the concept of moving production of at least the higher end stuff to the USA.
My 3 questions are related to the Emersa and MC-700 Preamp-Processors. For home theater I like the idea of keeping it simple and the pre-pros I've used so far do a great job but have so many connections and features that I would never use.
Question 1 I started hearing about the Emersa line a long time ago and have been watching for it's release and just now saw the MC-700 coming out. Is the MC-700 taking the place of the Emersa Pre-Pro?
Question 2 Does the MC-700 support Dolby Digital Plus. I didn't see Plus mentioned in the description though I would think it would be supported?
Question 3 is I noticed the MC-700 has a balanced and a unbalanced sub output. I do have a JLAudio Fathom sub with balanced connections. I need to run one sub out to a buttkicker amp for home theather use and the other to my sub. Can both outputs be used simultaneously and can you just use any good XLR cable to the sub? I noticed Emotiva has decent looking XLR cables offered but nothing specifically for subwoofer use.
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 14, 2016 20:19:39 GMT -5
Surprised no one responded earlier.
1. The Emersa pre-pro is being re-engineered. It's going to be a long while; summer of '17 at the earliest and I'd tack onto to that.
2. Unknown at this time. Belief is yes, however...
3. Don't know. My guess would be they get the same signal like a y-cable, so it might be possible if you don't want to adjust them separately.
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Post by urwi on Dec 16, 2016 4:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by klinemj on Dec 16, 2016 6:28:31 GMT -5
sirrealRe. Qeustion #1, the mc700 has not taken the place of the emersa. The mc700 is a replacement for the old UMC200. The Emersa is part of a line of products aimed at those who want great sound but not giant boxes and also want simpler interfaces. And as noted, not yet out. On the sub question, on all other emotiva gear, all outputs are live all the time and can be used in parallel. I assume that is true of the mc700 but a quick call to Emotiva would confirm it. Mark
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Post by sirreal on Dec 17, 2016 18:13:32 GMT -5
sirreal Re. Qeustion #1, the mc700 has not taken the place of the emersa. The mc700 is a replacement for the old UMC200. The Emersa is part of a line of products aimed at those who want great sound but not giant boxes and also want simpler interfaces. And as noted, not yet out. On the sub question, on all other emotiva gear, all outputs are live all the time and can be used in parallel. I assume that is true of the mc700 but a quick call to Emotiva would confirm it. Mark Thanks to all that responded. If I recall the Emersa pre-pro was going to sell for around $1000 and I believe be made in Tennessee along with the rest of the Emersa line. I think the clips from consumer electronic shows had a similar arrangement to what the MC-700 has for the sub output, with one balanced out and one unbalanced out. I also think they will be able to be used at the same time or at least it would be likely. A deal breaker for me is it must have two HDMI outs which even the MC-700 has so hopefully the Emersa will too. From sensei's list link above it looks like the MC -700 would not allow me to run other DAC's in with an analog output and then use a bypass on the pre-pro to send it straight to the amps and listen without a sub. On my Rotel I can do that and and then with one button switch to process my analog in to process it with sub out and bass management. I do think I could live with either the MC-700 or the Emersa for home theater and much of my audio listening and then maybe do a DAC with preamp function straight to the amps as a alternative music listening source. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 17, 2016 21:48:30 GMT -5
From sensei's list link above it looks like the MC -700 would not allow me to run other DAC's in with an analog output and then use a bypass on the pre-pro to send it straight to the amps and listen without a sub. Sirreal...your best bet to understand what the gear does and does not do is to call Emotiva. Lounge members who have never used a piece of gear have no idea what it does and do not do. This is especially true on gear that has not been released yet. Said another way...urwi does not know as he does not have the gear. Frankly, it would surprise me if what you interpret is true. Given the gear is not out yet, Emotiva may not comment. But it is worth asking. Mark |
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Post by urwi on Dec 18, 2016 3:26:29 GMT -5
Not only urwi doesn't know how the MC-700 will work but Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version. Keith said that the hardware is being built and last minute code changes are applied as we speak. I would only buy a MC-700 that has been thoroughly tested. $100 less during the current sale isn't worth the gamble for me. Often Emotiva keeps the pricing after a sale has ended so buying later seems to be wise. Your mileage might vary. urwi does not know as he does not have the gear. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 18, 2016 7:35:32 GMT -5
Not only urwi doesn't know how the MC-700 will work but Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version. Keith said that the hardware is being built and last minute code changes are applied as we speak. I would only buy a MC-700 that has been thoroughly tested. $100 less during the current sale isn't worth the gamble for me. Often Emotiva keeps the pricing after a sale has ended so buying later seems to be wise. Your mileage might vary. urwi does not know as he does not have the gear. Call anyway and ask. Ask to speak directly to a technical person. Don't forget that you can save $100 during the sale and you also have 30 days to return the product after receiving if not satisfied. It may go up after the sale. Unless you live overseas, I don't see it as much of a gamble especially at its price point. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 18, 2016 7:49:50 GMT -5
+1...and, every processor they have ever made, to my knowledge, has had the ability to do some type of reference stereo mode where the signal is passed with no processing and no sub/lfe out. It is hard to imagine this would not be offered.
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Post by urwi on Dec 18, 2016 8:01:49 GMT -5
The information I've provided is from Keith himself. Isn't he the guy that writes Emotiva's manuals? Does it get more "technical" at Emotiva? Buying a device with yet unknown product characteristics sounds very much like a gamble to me. As you've said, the 30 days return policy isn't an option for customers overseas. By the way, who is paying for return shipping even when you're in the US? Prices may or may not go up. In any case, what's a device worth if it doesn't have the features one is looking for? Not only urwi doesn't know how the MC-700 will work but Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version. Keith said that the hardware is being built and last minute code changes are applied as we speak. I would only buy a MC-700 that has been thoroughly tested. $100 less during the current sale isn't worth the gamble for me. Often Emotiva keeps the pricing after a sale has ended so buying later seems to be wise. Your mileage might vary. Call anyway and ask. Ask to speak directly to a technical person. Don't forget that you can save $100 during the sale and you also have 30 days to return the product after receiving if not satisfied. It may go up after the sale. Unless you live overseas, I don't see it as much of a gamble especially at its price point. |
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Post by sirreal on Dec 18, 2016 8:52:24 GMT -5
Thanks all for info and impressions. No doubt when stuff is not even shipping yet there will be some things still unanswered. Now that I know the Emersa is still an option That is going to no doubt the more advanced proceesor and probably a better choice for me. The MC-700 does sound like a steal though.
Can anyone recall the $1000 dollar price point being correct for the Emersa Pre-Pro? I was sure that was the target and also that the Emersa line was being made here too?
Hey klinemj I saw that you have 1.7s. Like I said in my initial post the Emotiva amp that I just bought originally for a surround amp (BasX 300 2 channel) is really quite impressive with my .7s. Way beyond my expectations. I would like to hear what the GEN3 switching amps sound like with Maggies.
I also am currently using Magnepan MC1s for home theater with a CC3 center channel. I like the 80hz crossover with the CC3 and wish Magnepan still made that center because at $1000 it was my go to center speaker. I'm also using a Panasonic projector with about 108” diagonal for the screen. Gives me the best trade off for distance between front speakers for music and screen size for movies.
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Post by rbk123 on Dec 18, 2016 9:24:32 GMT -5
The EMP-1 was originally announced at $899 then referred to as $999 in other interviews. However with the addition of Atmos and the additional processing power required it's really an unknown. $1k seems to be recognized as the sweet-spot for higher end processor pricing, so I would expect it to be right there. Be prepared to wait; processors have historically taken them much longer than they thought to release. They aren't as straight forward as amps.
No doubt the Gen3 amps would do well with your Maggies particularly with their XPR technology.
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Post by klinemj on Dec 18, 2016 10:40:06 GMT -5
Hey klinemj I saw that you have 1.7s. Like I said in my initial post the Emotiva amp that I just bought originally for a surround amp (BasX 300 2 channel) is really quite impressive with my .7s. Way beyond my expectations. I would like to hear what the GEN3 switching amps sound like with Maggies. Emotiva certainly makes some good amps...glad your Maggies like the BasX 300! I've been running my nCore's to my Maggies but just recently got a Prima Luna tube amp and the Maggies sound great with either. Frankly, I think they're just great sounding speakers period. Mark |
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Post by cwt on Dec 18, 2016 12:03:08 GMT -5
Thanks all for info and impressions. No doubt when stuff is not even shipping yet there will be some things still unanswered. Now that I know the Emersa is still an option That is going to no doubt the more advanced proceesor and probably a better choice for me. The MC-700 does sound like a steal though. Can anyone recall the $1000 dollar price point being correct for the Emersa Pre-Pro? I was sure that was the target and also that the Emersa line was being made here too? To give an idea of the pecking order sirreal ; the emp1 circuitry is more in parallel with the xmc1 as Lonnie has said and has a more intuitive "easy to drive" menu system unlike a lot of the mainstream makes . It may come down to how many object channels you want as the xmc1 has 2 extra very shortly atm  Dans thoughts ; emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/857976/threadIf the upgraded emp1 sticks to the single SOC as mentioned [ which seems plausible if 5.1.2] I think rbk123 is close to the mark .. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 18, 2016 14:30:15 GMT -5
The information I've provided is from Keith himself. Isn't he the guy that writes Emotiva's manuals? Does it get more "technical" at Emotiva? Buying a device with yet unknown product characteristics sounds very much like a gamble to me. As you've said, the 30 days return policy isn't an option for customers overseas. By the way, who is paying for return shipping even when you're in the US? Prices may or may not go up. In any case, what's a device worth if it doesn't have the features one is looking for? Call anyway and ask. Ask to speak directly to a technical person. Don't forget that you can save $100 during the sale and you also have 30 days to return the product after receiving if not satisfied. It may go up after the sale. Unless you live overseas, I don't see it as much of a gamble especially at its price point. I don't believe there will be much "change" in this processor when it comes out and it's definitely a deal. I don't know if Keith writes the manuals or not. By the way they are well written compared to the mainstream. Again, I would call and speak to someone if there are questions above and beyond what is offered on the site. Except for overseas customers, why is that so hard? |
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Post by urwi on Dec 19, 2016 3:34:44 GMT -5
They don't have all answers yet as the design isn't fixed and Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version although customers can order it. In other words, the information isn't available whether you call them or not. Again, I would call and speak to someone if there are questions above and beyond what is offered on the site. Except for overseas customers, why is that so hard? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 19, 2016 7:42:13 GMT -5
They don't have all answers yet as the design isn't fixed and Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version although customers can order it. In other words, the information isn't available whether you call them or not. Again, I would call and speak to someone if there are questions above and beyond what is offered on the site. Except for overseas customers, why is that so hard? Can you itemize/summarize the info you are looking for? I know you have spread it throughout this thread, but a short summary would be nice. |
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Post by bolle on Dec 19, 2016 9:31:51 GMT -5
They don't have all answers yet as the design isn't fixed and Emotiva themselves haven't seen the final version although customers can order it. In other words, the information isn't available whether you call them or not. Can you itemize/summarize the info you are looking for? I know you have spread it throughout this thread, but a short summary would be nice. Please - not again. This list is already existant in the MC-700 thread. Not every thread which deals with the MC-700 has to turn into an Urwi-thread... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 19, 2016 9:48:55 GMT -5
Can you itemize/summarize the info you are looking for? I know you have spread it throughout this thread, but a short summary would be nice. Please - not again. This list is already existant in the MC-700 thread. Not every thread which deals with the MC-700 has to turn into an Urwi-thread... Apologies.....did not know that. Just trying to understand. |
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Post by bolle on Dec 19, 2016 11:04:40 GMT -5
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Dans thoughts ;