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Post by michael14 on Jan 10, 2017 13:35:11 GMT -5
Another q: how would the TA-100 compare against the Marantz PM6006 integrated amp? Thanks!
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Post by Axis on Jan 10, 2017 13:41:11 GMT -5
Another q: how would the TA-100 compare against the Marantz PM6006 integrated amp? Thanks! Some advice. Don't base your purchase on what someone tells you in a chat room. My name is Michael to so I give good free advice to all others named Michael. It's a Michael thing.  |
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Post by michael14 on Jan 10, 2017 13:47:24 GMT -5
Thanks, Michael. I definitely take what I read in chat rooms with a large grain of salt. But it can (occasionally) be another useful data point . .
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Post by lucas on Jan 10, 2017 18:01:00 GMT -5
Quick functional q - the TA-100 doesn't have a high-pass filter for the speaker outputs, correct? I'd love to ease the burden of my mains (KEF LS50) and have only my subwoofer play <80Hz or so. Thanks! I asked basically this question of Emotiva support and here's the response I got: |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jan 10, 2017 19:03:28 GMT -5
Quick functional q - the TA-100 doesn't have a high-pass filter for the speaker outputs, correct? I'd love to ease the burden of my mains (KEF LS50) and have only my subwoofer play <80Hz or so. Thanks! I asked basically this question of Emotiva support and here's the response I got: The unit offers no high or low pass filters. This is something I wish more integrateds or preamps had. I may end up selling my PT-100 and A-300 because of it actually. Going to sidegrade to a (incidentally) slim Marantz receiver I scored on eBay today. Edit: BTW what Emotiva support meant by that was whatever tone controls you set will also affect the subwoofer output. The subwoofer out is the same signal as your left and right, just in summed mono. |
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Post by teaman on Jan 10, 2017 19:14:27 GMT -5
I asked basically this question of Emotiva support and here's the response I got: The unit offers no high or low pass filters. This is something I wish more integrateds or preamps had. I may end up selling my PT-100 and A-300 because of it actually. Going to sidegrade to a (incidentally) slim Marantz receiver I scored on eBay today. Edit: BTW what Emotiva support meant by that was whatever tone controls you set will also affect the subwoofer output. The subwoofer out is the same signal as your left and right, just in summed mono. If you are within the thirty days you can return them |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jan 10, 2017 19:32:25 GMT -5
The unit offers no high or low pass filters. This is something I wish more integrateds or preamps had. I may end up selling my PT-100 and A-300 because of it actually. Going to sidegrade to a (incidentally) slim Marantz receiver I scored on eBay today. Edit: BTW what Emotiva support meant by that was whatever tone controls you set will also affect the subwoofer output. The subwoofer out is the same signal as your left and right, just in summed mono. If you are within the thirty days you can return them I'm outside the 30 days, and I knew they didn't offer this when I bought them. I have a MiniDSP 2x4 for this reason, but it doesn't play nice with the A300 amp for some reason. Crazy high noise floor when I try. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Jan 10, 2017 21:51:28 GMT -5
That's not the amp.. that's in the miniDSP... or something else in your config.
Before you dump the Emo gear, you might want to listen to the Marantz a little bit first. I think you may end up re-thinking your position.
You can easily create a simple hi-pass filter between the amplifier and the PT-100...
You will be digitizing everything that runs through the Marantz to achieve bass management, and this has a sonic price tag...
Just saying... more "features" are not necessarily better.
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Post by Jim on Jan 10, 2017 21:58:18 GMT -5
If you are within the thirty days you can return them I'm outside the 30 days, and I knew they didn't offer this when I bought them. I have a MiniDSP 2x4 for this reason, but it doesn't play nice with the A300 amp for some reason. Crazy high noise floor when I try. Google MiniDSP and gain structure. MiniDSP 2x4 actually has a low noise floor - but a bad gain structure can cause noise. It might be .9V vs 2V It takes a little patience. If you disconnect the DSP, I'll bet the A300 is silent. MiniDSP support is pretty good about offering suggestions as well. |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jan 10, 2017 22:00:32 GMT -5
That's not the amp.. that's in the miniDSP... or something else in your config. Before you dump the Emo gear, you might want to listen to the Marantz a little bit first. I think you may end up re-thinking your position. You can easily create a simple hi-pass filter between the amplifier and the PT-100... You will be digitizing everything that runs through the Marantz to achieve bass management, and this has a sonic price tag... Just saying... more "features" are not necessarily better. Very much appreciated Dan, but it worked just fine with my Airmotiv 5s, and also seems to work with my Audiosource Amp100. Don't worry, I'll put the money towards replacing my BIC F12 for two Basx S10 subs. Edit: As far as digitizing, I may try to feed the marantz audio through HDMI from my graphics card, so if anything there are fewer conversions this way. Through the minidsp there is an additional A-D-A conversion. |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jan 10, 2017 22:03:16 GMT -5
I'm outside the 30 days, and I knew they didn't offer this when I bought them. I have a MiniDSP 2x4 for this reason, but it doesn't play nice with the A300 amp for some reason. Crazy high noise floor when I try. Google MiniDSP and gain structure. MiniDSP 2x4 actually has a low noise floor - but a bad gain structure can cause noise. It might be .9V vs 2V It takes a little patience. If you disconnect the DSP, I'll bet the A300 is silent. MiniDSP support is pretty good about offering suggestions as well. I definitely don't want to hijack this thread, but thank you very much for your suggestions. I have tried the jumpers in both positions and I suppose I might as well contact MiniDSP. |
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Post by michael14 on Jan 11, 2017 8:24:58 GMT -5
Anyone here pair a TA-100 with KEF LS50's? They're a pretty inefficient speaker, so I wonder if I may be underpowering them with the TA-100 and need to step up to the A-300 and PT-100 combo? Thanks!
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Post by novisnick on Jan 11, 2017 9:44:08 GMT -5
Anyone here pair a TA-100 with KEF LS50's? They're a pretty inefficient speaker, so I wonder if I may be underpowering them with the TA-100 and need to step up to the A-300 and PT-100 combo? Thanks! I have both but not paired together. My thoughts are that the KEFs need more power. Im sure they would match well for sound but would lack any real db's if thats your thing. I've been running them with either a Bob Latino ST-120 and a set of XPR-1's, they do tend to love more power for more volume. if I have time this week I may pair them together just to analyze the results. |
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Post by michael14 on Jan 11, 2017 9:53:08 GMT -5
Novisnick - if you could pair the LS50's with the TA-100, I'd GREATLY appreciate your thoughts as to the sound, compatibility, etc.!
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Post by raaga on May 8, 2017 2:38:24 GMT -5
I have paired TA 100 with Infinity Primus P163 bookshelves with a quoted 90db and 49Hz lower limit. Even after running both for more than 150 hours i find the mid range to be thin and voices, though clear, do not have the normal richness. The treble is kind of dry,like tinkling of bells do seem anemic. I would call this combination warm but with thin mid range, I know this is subjective but having heard cheaper options i expected bit better sound in mid range and treble departments. The bass is surprisingly is powerful but requires around +7db setting.
I am thinking whether I should change the speaker or TA 100 to get the sound i want.
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Post by Dan Laufman on May 8, 2017 7:49:52 GMT -5
Hi raaga,
I'm surprised by your comments on the midrange of the TA-100...
I've done extended listening to this unit and I've always found the overall sound quality of this model to be on the warmer and fuller side of the spectrum. Never thin... which is the opposite of what we want on this type of component.
What is your main source component for your listening?
Just curious...
Big Dan
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Post by KeithL on May 8, 2017 8:58:22 GMT -5
The two factors that have the most effect on what you hear are your speakers and your room (and where your speakers are positioned in the room). Therefore, and especially with relatively neutral sounding electronics like ours, the speakers are going to have a much greater effect on the overall sound than the amplifier. Odds are you're simply hearing what your speakers sound like at their current location in your room. I have paired TA 100 with Infinity Primus P163 bookshelves with a quoted 90db and 49Hz lower limit. Even after running both for more than 150 hours i find the mid range to be thin and voices, though clear, do not have the normal richness. The treble is kind of dry,like tinkling of bells do seem anemic. I would call this combination warm but with thin mid range, I know this is subjective but having heard cheaper options i expected bit better sound in mid range and treble departments. The bass is surprisingly is powerful but requires around +7db setting. I am thinking whether I should change the speaker or TA 100 to get the sound i want. |
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Post by novisnick on May 8, 2017 9:07:47 GMT -5
The two factors that have the most effect on what you hear are your speakers and your room (and where your speakers are positioned in the room). Therefore, and especially with relatively neutral sounding electronics like ours, the speakers are going to have a much greater effect on the overall sound than the amplifier. Odds are you're simply hearing what your speakers sound like at their current location in your room. I have paired TA 100 with Infinity Primus P163 bookshelves with a quoted 90db and 49Hz lower limit. Even after running both for more than 150 hours i find the mid range to be thin and voices, though clear, do not have the normal richness. The treble is kind of dry,like tinkling of bells do seem anemic. I would call this combination warm but with thin mid range, I know this is subjective but having heard cheaper options i expected bit better sound in mid range and treble departments. The bass is surprisingly is powerful but requires around +7db setting. I am thinking whether I should change the speaker or TA 100 to get the sound i want. Im with KeithL here, spears and/or positioning is the culprit IMHO. I've used a set of LS50's in two completely different rooms and have not found your statements to be accurate about the amp. @ only 50 wpc the TA-100 is amazing in the fact that the KEF's can pull below 4 ohms and sound so good. One room is a typical bedroom size and the other is a living room size 19 X 24 X 9'. No thin mids with plenty of bass. Does the room have any treatments at all? They will help, my test rooms have none. |
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Post by raaga on May 8, 2017 9:26:39 GMT -5
Hi raaga, What is your main source component for your listening? Just curious... Big Dan 1. I am playing MP3,flac,wma files from HP laptop through TA100 DAC. foobar or WMP used. Streaming from audio sites also done. 2. Room 15*10 (ceiling 10.5 feet). Speakers(centre of midbass) now placed about 18 inches from sidewall. Speaker back pulled about 9 inches into the room. Untreated room with enough blinds sofa etc to avoid reflections. tiled floor but no issue here. 3. Tried numerous positioning of speaker. Must borrow some other speaker to check. 4.. With these speakers there is no problem with volume given their sensitivity. FM requires about 50 to get solid and loud sound. With USB for the same loudness can do with around 40. bass +5db treble +7db |
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2017 12:42:33 GMT -5
Hi raaga, What is your main source component for your listening? Just curious... Big Dan 1. I am playing MP3,flac,wma files from HP laptop through TA100 DAC. foobar or WMP used. Streaming from audio sites also done. 2. Room 15*10 (ceiling 10.5 feet). Speakers(centre of midbass) now placed about 18 inches from sidewall. Speaker back pulled about 9 inches into the room. Untreated room with enough blinds sofa etc to avoid reflections. tiled floor but no issue here. 3. Tried numerous positioning of speaker. Must borrow some other speaker to check. 4.. With these speakers there is no problem with volume given their sensitivity. FM requires about 50 to get solid and loud sound. With USB for the same loudness can do with around 40. bass +5db treble +7db Maybe it's just me, but +5 and +7 for bass/treble seem awfully high. I almost wonder if there is an issue with your speakers. |
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