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Post by gus4emo on Jan 31, 2017 14:56:49 GMT -5
Hi all, almost pulling the trigger, for surround and surround back, Def Tech 9040 at $499 a pair, but for the same money I can get two pairs of Fluance XLBP for $199 a pair, and still have $100, what do you guys think, besides the obvious on price difference. ...
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jan 31, 2017 15:10:19 GMT -5
you should try to timber match your main speakers.
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Post by hemster on Jan 31, 2017 15:33:13 GMT -5
you should try to timber match your main speakers. Why? Must they have the same wood?  You meant timbre. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jan 31, 2017 15:53:26 GMT -5
you should try to timber match your main speakers. Why? Must they have the same wood? You meant timbre. lol yes The surround speakers should have the same "voice/timbre" to give you the seamless surround effect. |
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Post by gus4emo on Jan 31, 2017 16:14:25 GMT -5
Why? Must they have the same wood? You meant timbre. lol yes The surround speakers should have the same "voice/timbre" to give you the seamless surround effect. Not necessarily, room correction can compensate, plus my mains for movies are HSU RESEARCH, which doesn't make bipolar speakers.... |
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Post by gus4emo on Jan 31, 2017 16:14:55 GMT -5
Anybody has anything on the matter?
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Post by vneal on Jan 31, 2017 16:41:24 GMT -5
I would stick with the same brand all around. Many think it does not matter but it does. Speakers make the most difference of any component
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Post by gus4emo on Jan 31, 2017 19:46:29 GMT -5
I would stick with the same brand all around. Many think it does not matter but it does. Speakers make the most difference of any component I know what you are saying, but I would like to get bipolar for surround, and don't want to spend a lot, my mains are Hsu research, I love the LCR I'm using, but they don't make bipolar speakers, I'm currently using deftech 800 for surround and surround back, wondering if bipolars can create a better effect.... |
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Post by gus4emo on Jan 31, 2017 21:43:26 GMT -5
Any opinions?  ?? |
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Post by emotivate on Feb 1, 2017 10:08:06 GMT -5
I would also agree that matching speakers are best, however Def Tech bipolars are made for surround sound, and the built in sub and tower speaker size performance, would transform the rear end of your home theater set up, from the smaller DT 800 you are using.The 8040's would be the biggest bang for the buck,IMHO, if your 800's blend in well with the HSU's.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 1, 2017 12:14:04 GMT -5
So just to be 100% certain here, you currently use HSU HC-1 MK2 LCR's for the front 3, and Def Tech Pro 800 book shelves for the back?
But I’m unclear when you say you are thinking switching to 9040 for the backs. Are you talking getting a good deal on some used floor standing BP9040’s? Or are you talking just buying some new SR9040’s? I’m thinking SR9040s but you will need to confirm (since Def Tech is now using the same numbers for speakers, it’s important you use the prefix letters BP, CS, or SR to know which ones you are referring to).
I'd ultimately say that I'd agree with the others here. The first place to start is to get yourself all on the same brand. If you like those brands, then I’d probably do one of a few options.
I don’t think going from the Pro 800s to the SR9040s is going to be some totally radical change for surrounds. Different yes, but worth the upgrade? Possibly, but I’d go with making everything the same brand first. Although if you already have a good home for the 800’s somewhere else, or you are going to keep them for rears and use the SR9040s for the sides, then why not give it a try? (My wife and I noticed a big difference going from 5.1 to 7.1, and direct radiating speakers for the rears is not necessarily a bad thing). You are currently used to the non-timbre sound, so more of it might not bother you (the 800’s will most likely not timbre match to the SR9040’s either).
Have you considered buying more HSU's for the back? For $320 you could get the book shelves and save some money. Or buy (2) HC-1 MK2s for $500 and then you would have a fully like speaker system (some people’s ultimate goal).
Why do you feel the need to start going bipolar? Room layout? If you feel strongly about this, then I really think you need to ditch the HSU’s (very nice speakers) and convert over to something like Def Techs all around. You can save a lot of money going used. I actually think my older model 7000 series are better than the 8000 and 9000 series, but that’s just me.
Anyway, I hope this helped at least a little.
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Post by ac2011 on Feb 1, 2017 13:12:13 GMT -5
I use the Fluance XLBP's and I like them. The rest of my speakers (LCR + front presence) are Boston. I used the smaller Fluance bi-poles previous to the XLBP's (before the XLBP's existed) and I enjoyed those too. Full disclosure, I have only used those two bi-pole sets as surrounds; never used direct radiators or any other brand(s), so I have no ability to compare/contrast. I like the bi-pole effect, some don't. I haven't been too concerned with timbre matching considering they are surrounds. If I ever go full Atmos, then I'll probably need to switch out the bi-poles for direct radiating, according to the experts; and at that point I will probably look to go with a single brand all the way around, if possible.
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Post by simpleman68 on Feb 1, 2017 13:16:50 GMT -5
Oh wait.... I thought this was a thread about my ex.
Nevermind, keep moving; nothing to see here.
Scott
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Post by goodfellas27 on Feb 1, 2017 13:29:48 GMT -5
lol yes The surround speakers should have the same "voice/timbre" to give you the seamless surround effect. Not necessarily, room correction can compensate, plus my mains for movies are HSU RESEARCH, which doesn't make bipolar speakers.... It seems you made up your mind on this. Just get the lower price one and use Room EQ, like you said. |
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Post by gus4emo on Feb 1, 2017 13:50:42 GMT -5
So just to be 100% certain here, you currently use HSU HC-1 MK2 LCR's for the front 3, and Def Tech Pro 800 book shelves for the back? But I’m unclear when you say you are thinking switching to 9040 for the backs. Are you talking getting a good deal on some used floor standing BP9040’s? Or are you talking just buying some new SR9040’s? I’m thinking SR9040s but you will need to confirm (since Def Tech is now using the same numbers for speakers, it’s important you use the prefix letters BP, CS, or SR to know which ones you are referring to). I'd ultimately say that I'd agree with the others here. The first place to start is to get yourself all on the same brand. If you like those brands, then I’d probably do one of a few options. I don’t think going from the Pro 800s to the SR9040s is going to be some totally radical change for surrounds. Different yes, but worth the upgrade? Possibly, but I’d go with making everything the same brand first. Although if you already have a good home for the 800’s somewhere else, or you are going to keep them for rears and use the SR9040s for the sides, then why not give it a try? (My wife and I noticed a big difference going from 5.1 to 7.1, and direct radiating speakers for the rears is not necessarily a bad thing). You are currently used to the non-timbre sound, so more of it might not bother you (the 800’s will most likely not timbre match to the SR9040’s either). Have you considered buying more HSU's for the back? For $320 you could get the book shelves and save some money. Or buy (2) HC-1 MK2s for $500 and then you would have a fully like speaker system (some people’s ultimate goal). Why do you feel the need to start going bipolar? Room layout? If you feel strongly about this, then I really think you need to ditch the HSU’s (very nice speakers) and convert over to something like Def Techs all around. You can save a lot of money going used. I actually think my older model 7000 series are better than the 8000 and 9000 series, but that’s just me. Anyway, I hope this helped at least a little. I can always play around positioning the 800s, my somewhat dilemma is the right surround is about 2 feet from the person sitting there, speaker is on the wall, so bipolar is not going to be directly at that spot, cannot move the couch.... |
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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 1, 2017 13:55:36 GMT -5
I had some DefTech speakers before the flood 6 years ago and I thought they were excellent value. Over time, I came to prefer a less diffuse soundstage, and moved them further out into the room to lessen the bipolar effect. But that is just me, they were fine speakers!
Trey
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 1, 2017 14:58:39 GMT -5
I can always play around positioning the 800s, my somewhat dilemma is the right surround is about 2 feet from the person sitting there, speaker is on the wall, so bipolar is not going to be directly at that spot, cannot move the couch.... You haven't said where on the wall the speaker is, but being that close I would absolutely recommend high on the wall with the speaker. In an 8 foot room put the speaker up at least the 6 feet point, if not higher. Some people here will jump my schiit saying that and post a link to the Dolby page for placement rules, but I say hogwash. Dolby changes their rules like the wind, and one of the reasons is to help with speaker and processor sales. Some people around here have forgotten that for the first 10-15 years of modern surround sound processing (since around 1990 give or take a few years), up high was the only recommended position. You need to place them in your room where they sound best, but also fitting your room layout and ergonomics of the room, not where Dolby says. And that could also include trying some strange things, like pointing them directly up at the ceiling, or firing backwards. |
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Post by gus4emo on Feb 1, 2017 22:35:02 GMT -5
I can always play around positioning the 800s, my somewhat dilemma is the right surround is about 2 feet from the person sitting there, speaker is on the wall, so bipolar is not going to be directly at that spot, cannot move the couch.... You haven't said where on the wall the speaker is, but being that close I would absolutely recommend high on the wall with the speaker. In an 8 foot room put the speaker up at least the 6 feet point, if not higher. Some people here will jump my schiit saying that and post a link to the Dolby page for placement rules, but I say hogwash. Dolby changes their rules like the wind, and one of the reasons is to help with speaker and processor sales. Some people around here have forgotten that for the first 10-15 years of modern surround sound processing (since around 1990 give or take a few years), up high was the only recommended position. You need to place them in your room where they sound best, but also fitting your room layout and ergonomics of the room, not where Dolby says. And that could also include trying some strange things, like pointing them directly up at the ceiling, or firing backwards. Over 20 years ago I read similar things, when it was just DPL, I placed the surrounds high on the back wall facing each other, it sounded perfect, before that I had a smaller place and had to face them up on stands, that worked out too, now I am using DPLIIZ.... this coming weekend I will play around positioning the surrounds, the surround backs are fine.....thanks for the time you guys are taking to give your 2 cents.... |
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Post by leonski on Feb 2, 2017 3:15:20 GMT -5
You can DIY Bipole OR Dipole speakers by wiring a PAIR of whatever speaker either in series or in parallel (make sure the impedance doesn't kill 'ya in parallel) while basically mounting the speakers
Back-2-Back.
Some of those smallish bookshelves are ideal for this application
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Post by ac2011 on Feb 2, 2017 10:54:10 GMT -5
 FWIW, here is a pic of one of the XLBP's. |
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