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Post by miata57 on Mar 14, 2017 11:14:34 GMT -5
Hello All,
How are you enjoying your T1's so far? I continue to be impressed with this speaker especially for the price. Having said that, I am seriously considering purchasing the T2's when they arrive, hoping they will offer even more than the T1's.
With trial and error, I found the T1's sound best quite a distance from the rear wall (approx. 24"-30").
Fellow T1 owners please share your experience with these excellent speakers!
Cheers
Howie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 12:05:01 GMT -5
We finished final voicing of the T2 towers yesterday, and they offer the same tonality as the T1 towers but we were able to do the crossover topology a little differently/better and I think there is a shade more openness and detail on offer, plus the deeper bass as you'd expect.
Should you get rid of your T1 towers and buy T2s? Well, that depends. If you really need a bigger/louder speaker for a high level home theater, or your system doesn't incorporate a subwoofer, but you want bigger bass, then the T2 is what you want. If you're happy with what the T1 speakers give you, the upgrade to the T2 towers might not be necessary. Of course either speaker is an incredible value, and the T1s have received multiple reviewer accolades, so we have made great efforts to make sure the same sonic signature was evident in the T2. The T2 might be a little "too much" speaker in small rooms or rooms where you have to listen from less than 6-8 feet from the speakers, and the T1 will give you a little bit better integration in that limited distance, and plenty of bass in most smaller rooms (although the T2 plays noticeably deeper).
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Post by Porscheguy on Mar 14, 2017 13:28:57 GMT -5
We finished final voicing of the T2 towers yesterday, and they offer the same tonality as the T1 towers but we were able to do the crossover topology a little differently/better and I think there is a shade more openness and detail on offer, plus the deeper bass as you'd expect. Should you get rid of your T1 towers and buy T2s? Well, that depends. If you really need a bigger/louder speaker for a high level home theater, or your system doesn't incorporate a subwoofer, but you want bigger bass, then the T2 is what you want. If you're happy with what the T1 speakers give you, the upgrade to the T2 towers might not be necessary. Of course either speaker is an incredible value, and the T1s have received multiple reviewer accolades, so we have made great efforts to make sure the same sonic signature was evident in the T2. The T2 might be a little "too much" speaker in small rooms or rooms where you have to listen from less than 6-8 feet from the speakers, and the T1 will give you a little bit better integration in that limited distance, and plenty of bass in most smaller rooms (although the T2 plays noticeably deeper). When do the T2's go on sale? |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 14, 2017 22:14:39 GMT -5
I would guess that's still a couple of months out. If they now have everything dialed, they'll have to order a run, assemble, and confirm the run (either over there or here) is what they want, and then ship. Shorter if they have everything lined up already except the crossover.
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Post by wharfrat on Mar 15, 2017 12:04:59 GMT -5
Appreciate your input, Howie. I'm still surprised at the relatively small number of reviews of the T1's, especially by "professional" reviewers. I've had my T1's a little under a year; and, while it seems somewhat sacrilegious, based on the few reviews out there, to say anything negative about the T1's, they do seem to be among the most room-sensitive speakers I'be owned. Having said that, I do believe they are unequaled, at any price, when it comes to midrange response. The little frustration there has been has come from numerous attempts at positioning the towers for the best sound. The Focal 714 towers I had in the same room had a better bass response. I'm currently considering downsizing to a pair of bookshelf speakers (strictly a two-channel fan) in the belief that the T1's are too much for the room. I thought there might be a system mismatch with the Music Hall a70.2 integrated amp and the Tascam cd-200 I'm using, but not so sure about that as those components have been used successfully with various other speaker brands. Again, I'm glad you have spotlighted this subject and wish you the best.
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Post by miata57 on Mar 16, 2017 10:59:04 GMT -5
I am also surprised at the small number of reviews for the T1's. I read RoryB's post above with great interest. Maybe getting the T2's would be over kill for me? When I listen to music, I usually play it very loud and at times the T1's can seem a bit fatiguing, it was my hope that the T2's would sound better at higher volumes. Of course the increased bass would be a nice addition too even though I do use a sub-woofer.
It has taken me awhile to accept the all black look to the speaker as I am used to a nice wood finish. Still, in the end it is the sound that matters and the T1's do not disappoint.
Wharfrat, glad to hear you are enjoying your T1's (Those Focal 714 towers look awesome btw) All the best and Happy Listening!
Howie
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Post by cgolf on Apr 2, 2017 20:37:27 GMT -5
Thinking about purchasing either the T1s or a pair of the ELAC floorstanders. Hey T1 owners. How are you liking the T1 speakers. More interested more in SQ than looks. There is just so little out there on these speakers.
Thanks!!
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Post by jra on Apr 3, 2017 0:16:42 GMT -5
Thinking about purchasing either the T1s or a pair of the ELAC floorstanders. Hey T1 owners. How are you liking the T1 speakers. More interested more in SQ than looks. There is just so little out there on these speakers. Thanks!! So I pulled the trigger on the T1-5-channel bundle for my small playroom on a whim as soon as they were announced (for the price I didn't think I could go wrong and I was right :-). I already own Airmotiv4 and Airmotiv6's so was already sold on the tweeter used and the quality of Emotiva speakers. I absolutely *love* them ! I have demoed them to a couple of friends, one of whom went out and bought the same setup the next day :-). The other one (a self-professed audiophile snob :-) guessed I'd paid 3x the cost for the setup. When I showed him the price on the ad. his comment was "this is an amazing setup for that price." It's the detail and imaging for me. I also own a pair of GoldenEar Triton Ones and they go much lower, but the detail and imaging are close between the T1's and Triton Ones. In a test I would probably say the Tritons have the edge (although I can't be sure of that - no way to do a blind test) but they're not *five* times better :-). I am running them with a sub., although not (yet) an Emotiva one. I was an early purchaser of the Airmotiv S12 sub and got burned by the hum issue and ended up returning it due to the wait for a replacement. Now it's fixed I may try again. But I'm not sure I *need* the sub :-). Running just 2-channel through the T1's is good enough for most of my music. |
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Post by cgolf on Apr 3, 2017 13:43:22 GMT -5
Thinking about purchasing either the T1s or a pair of the ELAC floorstanders. Hey T1 owners. How are you liking the T1 speakers. More interested more in SQ than looks. There is just so little out there on these speakers. Thanks!! So I pulled the trigger on the T1-5-channel bundle for my small playroom on a whim as soon as they were announced (for the price I didn't think I could go wrong and I was right :-). I already own Airmotiv4 and Airmotiv6's so was already sold on the tweeter used and the quality of Emotiva speakers. I absolutely *love* them ! I have demoed them to a couple of friends, one of whom went out and bought the same setup the next day :-). The other one (a self-professed audiophile snob :-) guessed I'd paid 3x the cost for the setup. When I showed him the price on the ad. his comment was "this is an amazing setup for that price." It's the detail and imaging for me. I also own a pair of GoldenEar Triton Ones and they go much lower, but the detail and imaging are close between the T1's and Triton Ones. In a test I would probably say the Tritons have the edge (although I can't be sure of that - no way to do a blind test) but they're not *five* times better :-). I am running them with a sub., although not (yet) an Emotiva one. I was an early purchaser of the Airmotiv S12 sub and got burned by the hum issue and ended up returning it due to the wait for a replacement. Now it's fixed I may try again. But I'm not sure I *need* the sub :-). Running just 2-channel through the T1's is good enough for most of my music. Great feedback. Thanks for your honest opinions!! |
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Post by BpShenanigans on May 14, 2017 15:17:04 GMT -5
I haven't had my T1's even a week and I'm quite sure I'll be satisfied with these for at least five years. I don't listen loud and I don't find the T1's fatiguing at all. As a matter of fact the T1's sound better in my "man cave" than either Dali Zensor 7's or GoldenEar Technology Triton Sevens did in a dealer showroom! I say the T1's are open, image well, and have a neutral frequency response.
I really can't say enough about what a value the T1's are!
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Post by dust770 on May 14, 2017 17:13:31 GMT -5
We finished final voicing of the T2 towers yesterday, and they offer the same tonality as the T1 towers but we were able to do the crossover topology a little differently/better and I think there is a shade more openness and detail on offer, plus the deeper bass as you'd expect. Should you get rid of your T1 towers and buy T2s? Well, that depends. If you really need a bigger/louder speaker for a high level home theater, or your system doesn't incorporate a subwoofer, but you want bigger bass, then the T2 is what you want. If you're happy with what the T1 speakers give you, the upgrade to the T2 towers might not be necessary. Of course either speaker is an incredible value, and the T1s have received multiple reviewer accolades, so we have made great efforts to make sure the same sonic signature was evident in the T2. The T2 might be a little "too much" speaker in small rooms or rooms where you have to listen from less than 6-8 feet from the speakers, and the T1 will give you a little bit better integration in that limited distance, and plenty of bass in most smaller rooms (although the T2 plays noticeably deeper). I have a very narrow theater room, how would one go about determining if a loudspeaker is "too much" for their room? Boomy? Bad imaging? Some sort of a room calculators? I've been considering the T2 for a long time but have wondered if I might get a better sound from smaller speakers, going the "less is more" route. My room is 8.6 wide x 18 long. I'm currently using Polk Rti A9 's as fronts and matching series for the rest of the 5 channels. I have never loved the imaging but this could just be the narrowness of my room coming into play. I'm also looking at buying an acoustically transparent screen and would need a 3rd tower as my center channel but notice they are only sold in pairs. How would someone buy a single tower? Any feedback is much appreciated |
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Post by hemster on May 14, 2017 17:46:12 GMT -5
We finished final voicing of the T2 towers yesterday, and they offer the same tonality as the T1 towers but we were able to do the crossover topology a little differently/better and I think there is a shade more openness and detail on offer, plus the deeper bass as you'd expect. Should you get rid of your T1 towers and buy T2s? Well, that depends. If you really need a bigger/louder speaker for a high level home theater, or your system doesn't incorporate a subwoofer, but you want bigger bass, then the T2 is what you want. If you're happy with what the T1 speakers give you, the upgrade to the T2 towers might not be necessary. Of course either speaker is an incredible value, and the T1s have received multiple reviewer accolades, so we have made great efforts to make sure the same sonic signature was evident in the T2. The T2 might be a little "too much" speaker in small rooms or rooms where you have to listen from less than 6-8 feet from the speakers, and the T1 will give you a little bit better integration in that limited distance, and plenty of bass in most smaller rooms (although the T2 plays noticeably deeper). I have a very narrow theater room, how would one go about determining if a loudspeaker is "too much" for their room? Boomy? Bad imaging? Some sort of a room calculators? I've been considering the T2 for a long time but have wondered if I might get a better sound from smaller speakers, going the "less is more" route. My room is 8.6 wide x 18 long. I'm currently using Polk Rti A9 's as fronts and matching series for the rest of the 5 channels. I have never loved the imaging but this could just be the narrowness of my room coming into play. I'm also looking at buying an acoustically transparent screen and would need a 3rd tower as my center channel but notice they are only sold in pairs. How would someone buy a single tower? Any feedback is much appreciated Please PM me the height of your room and I will send you the room modes which will help determine the nulls and peaks present. This will help determine the positioning of speakers and listening position. Also, have you considered using dipole surrounds? They can help widen out the surrounds in a narrow room. Edit: Sorry I did not know you were already using dipoles. My bad. |
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Post by dust770 on May 15, 2017 17:31:44 GMT -5
I have a very narrow theater room, how would one go about determining if a loudspeaker is "too much" for their room? Boomy? Bad imaging? Some sort of a room calculators? I've been considering the T2 for a long time but have wondered if I might get a better sound from smaller speakers, going the "less is more" route. My room is 8.6 wide x 18 long. I'm currently using Polk Rti A9 's as fronts and matching series for the rest of the 5 channels. I have never loved the imaging but this could just be the narrowness of my room coming into play. I'm also looking at buying an acoustically transparent screen and would need a 3rd tower as my center channel but notice they are only sold in pairs. How would someone buy a single tower? Any feedback is much appreciated Please PM me the height of your room and I will send you the room modes which will help determine the nulls and peaks present. This will help determine the positioning of speakers and listening position. Also, have you considered using dipole surrounds? They can help widen out the surrounds in a narrow room. Edit: Sorry I did not know you were already using dipoles. My bad. Big thanks to Hemster for help, appreciate it! |
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Post by wharfrat on May 16, 2017 10:51:37 GMT -5
Howie, not sure if you'll see this, but I'm going to direct the following comments to you. I appreciated your quick response and candor in previous posts. You understood my concerns. Nothing much has changed. I'm still not seeing feedback on the T1's from professional reviewers, and that, considering the glowing reports from a few owners, continues to baffle me. I was never able to elicit the quality of sound I expected from the T1's. The dynamic range was limited, and I could not get a decent level of bass. I tried numerous different room placements, and even room treatment; and could hear no improvement. Finally, I thought I would try different speakers. I placed KEF Q300 speakers in the exact location and conditions I had the T1's, and it was problem solved. The range, soundstage, and depth are now there. I sold the T1's. Interestingly enough, the gentleman I sold them to, who had far better components and acoustics than I did, contacted me a couple months later and said he was disappointed in the T1's and was selling them.
So, the bottom line is this: it's a good thing there are reviewers out there like you who are willing to be objective. Second, my advice to anyone purchasing speakers, whenever possible, is to audition them at home. Contrary to what some wrote, it was not "fun" trying to dial in the T1's. Enjoy the sound, Howie, whatever system you end up with. And thanks for inspiring me to not give up.
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Post by brutiarti on May 16, 2017 10:59:02 GMT -5
I'm still not seeing feedback on the T1's from professional reviewers, and that, considering the glowing reports from a few owners, continues to baffle me. Review by Ty Pendlebury and Steve Guttenberg from CNET www.cnet.com/products/emotiva-airmotiv-t1/review/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:20:09 GMT -5
I'm still not seeing feedback on the T1's from professional reviewers, and that, considering the glowing reports from a few owners, continues to baffle me. We have at least four pairs of T1 speakers (alone and as part of multichannel system packages) out there waiting to be reviewed. S&V and CNET have both reviewed them positively. At least in print media, but also at the larger web sites, reviews have a very long turn-around time of about 6 months (not weeks) normally, and even longer if they are especially busy. IMO it was a misstep on our part to focus on print reviews rather than online reviews and that has led to a smaller number of reviews being printed for these speakers up to now, but the overwhelming bulk of the comments have been positive (including all reviewer comments so far). The following is purely anecdotal: I took a set of T1s to an audiophile friend's house, and a panel of two other listeners rated them higher in every performance dimension than a pair of B&W 683 S2 towers that we had on hand, which the T1s are very similar to in construction and layout, with the exception of the folded ribbon tweeter in the T1 speakers. We were using Emotiva front end gear (UMC-200) and McIntosh power. Speakers were placed in the same locations. The test was not blind, but the B&W are decidedly the flashier looking speaker for what that's worth. |
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Post by monkumonku on May 16, 2017 11:43:20 GMT -5
Howie, not sure if you'll see this, but I'm going to direct the following comments to you. I appreciated your quick response and candor in previous posts. You understood my concerns. Nothing much has changed. I'm still not seeing feedback on the T1's from professional reviewers, and that, considering the glowing reports from a few owners, continues to baffle me. I was never able to elicit the quality of sound I expected from the T1's. The dynamic range was limited, and I could not get a decent level of bass. I tried numerous different room placements, and even room treatment; and could hear no improvement. Finally, I thought I would try different speakers. I placed KEF Q300 speakers in the exact location and conditions I had the T1's, and it was problem solved. The range, soundstage, and depth are now there. I sold the T1's. Interestingly enough, the gentleman I sold them to, who had far better components and acoustics than I did, contacted me a couple months later and said he was disappointed in the T1's and was selling them. So, the bottom line is this: it's a good thing there are reviewers out there like you who are willing to be objective. Second, my advice to anyone purchasing speakers, whenever possible, is to audition them at home. Contrary to what some wrote, it was not "fun" trying to dial in the T1's. Enjoy the sound, Howie, whatever system you end up with. And thanks for inspiring me to not give up. This response is in regards to what I highlighted in red from your quote. It sounds like you are implying that the positive reviews for the T1 are somehow not "objective" and in this context it is because they were from Emotiva owners who were biased. Your advice is right on the money - audition them at home with your own ears. It's nice to have reviews out there to help one whittle down the choices but just because a review is "professional" doesn't necessarily mean it has any more credence than one written by a consumer. In fact at times I think it has less credence because consumers don't have pressure to please advertisers. Regardless, a person's own ears are the best judge. |
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Post by Jim on May 16, 2017 17:05:26 GMT -5
Howie, not sure if you'll see this, but I'm going to direct the following comments to you. I appreciated your quick response and candor in previous posts. You understood my concerns. Nothing much has changed. I'm still not seeing feedback on the T1's from professional reviewers, and that, considering the glowing reports from a few owners, continues to baffle me. I was never able to elicit the quality of sound I expected from the T1's. The dynamic range was limited, and I could not get a decent level of bass. I tried numerous different room placements, and even room treatment; and could hear no improvement. Finally, I thought I would try different speakers. I placed KEF Q300 speakers in the exact location and conditions I had the T1's, and it was problem solved. The range, soundstage, and depth are now there. I sold the T1's. Interestingly enough, the gentleman I sold them to, who had far better components and acoustics than I did, contacted me a couple months later and said he was disappointed in the T1's and was selling them. So, the bottom line is this: it's a good thing there are reviewers out there like you who are willing to be objective. Second, my advice to anyone purchasing speakers, whenever possible, is to audition them at home. Contrary to what some wrote, it was not "fun" trying to dial in the T1's. Enjoy the sound, Howie, whatever system you end up with. And thanks for inspiring me to not give up. Interesting comment about the lack of bass given the VERY good flat FR. Flat frequency response is a pretty good indicator as to what constitutes a well designed speaker... emotiva.com/resources/media/T1_Frequency_Response.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 10:08:16 GMT -5
I am not sure how the T1 speaker itself could 'lack' bass unless one or both woofers were disconnected or wired out of phase somehow, one or both jumpers were missing, or the customer's receiver is set to cross the speakers at a high frequency ("small" speaker setting) with the subwoofer deactivated. Perhaps if the competing speaker has deliberately inflated bass (which can be done in the acoustic design of a speaker, but rarely sounds good) then it might sound like the T1s were bass-shy, but they are extremely well balanced, and the measurements show it. One of the reviewers indicated that the T1s actually provided excessive bass in his system unless they were pulled out from the wall by a few feet, which highlights how the room can have a profound effect on bass; our acoustically-treated 20' x 22' theater room here exhibits a bass suck-out in the very middle of the room, but moving a few feet to either side causes the bass to return.
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Post by MarciaFunebre on May 18, 2017 20:59:44 GMT -5
I just got my new T1 speakers and have tested them for a few days.
I am replacing a pair of ERM 6.2 which for now is my reference point in noticing the differences.
The T1 are filling the thin air that existed between them and my 15" sub. The sound is well rounded and definitely has good bass - It feels noticeable fuller and a bit more detailed as well than when I had the ERM 6.2 as main L+R (they are now surround speakers, replacing a pair or ERTs). The sound seems to move through the room with more ease (Especially when playing it loud).
Sometimes when changing speaker configs I there are settings in the pre-amp (I use a receiver as pre-amp, then routing the signal to an XPR5) which need to be updated. Crossover frequencies and Ohm as well as other things. I used Audissey for calibration, but had to adjust things later manually. If those settings are not matching the speakers well it may result in loss of bass or other sound issues. Maybe something like that was the case above. Sometimes these settings are a bit difficult to find within a cryptic labyrinth of preferences. Anyway, I can not say that the T1s don't have enough bass and I would be probably one of the first complaining about that if that was the case.
To my ears the sound well balanced and... inspiring.
Another observation is that it seems that in the new configuration there is more sensitivity between loud mixes (soundtrack music for example) and most classical music which now is more difficult to put into a playlist together without having to apply some sort of normalization - although this may not be caused by the speakers.
I wish the T2 had been out already I would have been tempted to try those as well.
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