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Post by rvsixer on Mar 24, 2017 9:50:27 GMT -5
MC-700 Direct is definitely without base management. Just tried it out. That's too bad. Guess I will have to save up $$$ for an XMC-1. Good news for the OP though, as now he can use his miniDSP Dirac for all management and passthrough the MC-700 with ease (you don't want both doing it). |
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Post by frisco on Mar 24, 2017 11:08:54 GMT -5
I wish it was possible to use PLIIx with PCM in the MC-700 to synthesize the rear channel signals with 5.1 sources, but it does not seem configured to permit that. I wonder if this could be added in a firmware update? Which ever mode sounds best to your ears; completely a preference choice. All of the modes will give you bass management, except Direct, so some like multi-stereo, some like PLIIx (or whatever it's called), some like Stereo, etc... Playing multi channel sacd from my oppo on the mc 700 I'm pretty sure plii is available for multichannel pcm |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 24, 2017 11:24:55 GMT -5
That's too bad. Guess I will have to save up $$$ for an XMC-1. OOC, why is that bad? If you want 2 channel with bass management on the MC, you just select Stereo mode. (not that you can go wrong with an XMC-1, of course). Modes available - - Direct (no bass mgmt) - Stereo (bass mgmt) - All Stereo (all channels + bass) - PLIIx Music - PLIIx Movie - NEO:6 C6 - NEO:6 M6 All of these are available via PCM. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 24, 2017 11:38:24 GMT -5
That's too bad. Guess I will have to save up $$$ for an XMC-1. OOC, why is that bad? If you want 2 channel with bass management on the MC, you just select Stereo mode. (not that you can go wrong with an XMC-1, of course). Modes available - - Direct (no bass mgmt) - Stereo (bass mgmt) - All Stereo (all channels + bass) - PLIIx Music - PLIIx Movie - NEO:6 C6 - NEO:6 M6 All of these are available via PCM. That's the way a Direct mode (Reference Mode on the XMC) should behave. No processing at all, just a direct signal path. |
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 24, 2017 11:38:34 GMT -5
I also use an Oppo Blu-ray player. Is PLIIx something you chose in the Oppo settings? When I toggle through the available mode settings on the MC-700, PLIIx is not one of my choices. I think there is a separate mode menu in the MC-700, which I haven't played with much. It may be possible to acquire that option through that menu. I will check tonight.
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Playing multi channel sacd from my oppo on the mc 700 I'm pretty sure plii is available for multichannel pcm[/quote]
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 24, 2017 11:40:23 GMT -5
I wish it was possible to use PLIIx with PCM in the MC-700 to synthesize the rear channel signals with 5.1 sources, but it does not seem configured to permit that. I wonder if this could be added in a firmware update? Playing multi channel sacd from my oppo on the mc 700 I'm pretty sure plii is available for multichannel pcm |
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 24, 2017 11:51:32 GMT -5
There is no bass management in Dirac on the miniDSP AVR DL or in the AVR DL itself. That has to be handled by the processor. miniDSP makes another Dirac processor that works in the analog audio domain which does have a bass management module available. Dirac has announced they have developed an improved version of their room equalization software for release later this year. No one yet knows whether it might include bass management and no one knows whether the new program will work with current Dirac processors. Still, Dirac is miles ahead of most everything else available, with the possible exception of Trinnov, if you have $10K+ to drop on a pre-pro. MC-700 Direct is definitely without base management. Just tried it out. That's too bad. Guess I will have to save up $$$ for an XMC-1. Good news for the OP though, as now he can use his miniDSP Dirac for all management and passthrough the MC-700 with ease (you don't want both doing it). |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 24, 2017 11:54:47 GMT -5
(Reference Mode on the XMC) should behave. Excellent - you reminded me of the equivalent on the XMC. The mode naming is like this between the 2: Stereo without bass mgmt: MC = Direct; XMC = Reference Stereo with bass mgmt: MC = Stereo; XMC = Direct I do remember now thinking the XMC naming convention was a bit odd, but thought - what's in a name? - and just went back to enjoying the sonic bliss it produced. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 24, 2017 12:01:01 GMT -5
(Reference Mode on the XMC) should behave. Excellent - you reminded me of the equivalent on the XMC. The mode naming is like this between the 2: Stereo without bass mgmt: MC = Direct; XMC = Reference Stereo with bass mgmt: MC = Stereo; XMC = Direct I do remember now thinking the XMC naming convention was a bit odd, but thought - what's in a name? - and just went back to enjoying the sonic bliss it produced. The XMC also has a Stereo mode. The difference between Direct and Stereo modes in the XMC are that Direct mode allows no other processing like Dirac while Stereo mode does. |
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Post by rvsixer on Mar 24, 2017 12:14:10 GMT -5
OOC, why is that bad? If you want 2 channel with bass management on the MC, you just select Stereo mode. (not that you can go wrong with an XMC-1, of course). Personal preference I guess. Ideally I would like only volume/bass management/time delay active. My experience is even with controls such as loudness/tone/trim set neutral, they do seem to alter the output. But I haven't hear either an MC-700 or the XMC-1 so can't judge either of course. |
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Post by rvsixer on Mar 24, 2017 12:18:22 GMT -5
There is no bass management in Dirac on the miniDSP AVR DL or in the AVR DL itself. You are right, I stand corrected. I had HDA on the brain when I misspoke. |
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Post by frisco on Mar 24, 2017 12:31:10 GMT -5
I also use an Oppo Blu-ray player. Is PLIIx something you chose in the Oppo settings? When I toggle through the available mode settings on the MC-700, PLIIx is not one of my choices. I think there is a separate mode menu in the MC-700, which I haven't played with much. It may be possible to acquire that option through that menu. I will check tonight. Playing multi channel sacd from my oppo on the mc 700 I'm pretty sure plii is available for multichannel pcm[/quote] [/quote] i I think I used to mode menu to get access to plii. Oppo was set to lpcm output. I did have a couple of experiences with sacd and mc 700. When I tried to use all stereo on a 2 channel sacd, it would not let me run LCR only.. I had to turn on the surround channels to get sound out of the center. (The surround speakers are in the ceiling and annoy me sometimes) Second on a 3 channel sacd I lost the center voice channel entirely (no center in 3.1; no. vocals when I switched to stereo mode). I had to restart the oppo. I'm tempted to blame my hdmi oppo connection |
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 25, 2017 15:34:15 GMT -5
I just went to mode screen and it does allow me to choose PLIIx-Movie for MultiPCM. However, when I hit the Mode button on the remote my only 3 choices (per OSD and LED screen) are Direct, Stereo and All Stereo, even though the PLIIx is selected and highlighted in red on the Mode set-up screen. The Info button showed the MC-700 was receiving MultiPCM, so I expected to be able to confirm PLIIx by checking the Mode button.
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Post by gtimbers on Mar 27, 2017 15:27:46 GMT -5
So all of this means that a multi-channel PCM signal cannot have EQ done within the MC700? That is totally lame. An already decoded multi channel PCM signal should be able to be down mixed to the appropriate number of channels and EQ'd just like a Bitstream signal. Finding an inexpensive player that outputs only bitstream is not that easy any longer. What is the point of having Speaker EQ for all of the channels if it won't work on a PCM multichannel signal! DD and DTS two channel to multi channel algorithms are toys. They are intended to expand native 2 channel, not try to recreate native multichannel from a down mixed multi channel original. I have never had a processor before that hasn't fully handled multichannel PCM so I was caught off guard.
As was mentioned earlier in the chain, a MiniDSP box plus an appropriate Player negates the need for a MC700 at all.
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 27, 2017 17:37:26 GMT -5
I just went to mode screen and it does allow me to choose PLIIx-Movie for MultiPCM. However, when I hit the Mode button on the remote my only 3 choices (per OSD and LED screen) are Direct, Stereo and All Stereo, even though the PLIIx is selected and highlighted in red on the Mode set-up screen. The Info button showed the MC-700 was receiving MultiPCM, so I expected to be able to confirm PLIIx by checking the Mode button. That is odd as when I hit the mode button I get to cycle through all of the ones I listed, and my source is PCM as well. |
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 27, 2017 19:14:37 GMT -5
The Info button does show MultiPCM but nothing verifies PLIIx processing is being applied, even though that is what I selected in the Mode Menu. Maybe this is not information the menu provides, though it would be nice to verify the settings you have selected are being applied to the signal. I just went to mode screen and it does allow me to choose PLIIx-Movie for MultiPCM. However, when I hit the Mode button on the remote my only 3 choices (per OSD and LED screen) are Direct, Stereo and All Stereo, even though the PLIIx is selected and highlighted in red on the Mode set-up screen. The Info button showed the MC-700 was receiving MultiPCM, so I expected to be able to confirm PLIIx by checking the Mode button. That is odd as when I hit the mode button I get to cycle through all of the ones I listed, and my source is PCM as well. |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 27, 2017 21:27:02 GMT -5
What does the display on the MC say? And the OSD when you hit the Info button?
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 28, 2017 19:24:13 GMT -5
48 KHz MultiPCM What does the display on the MC say? And the OSD when you hit the Info button? |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 29, 2017 21:34:52 GMT -5
Weird. Mine has the mode at the top, PCM under it, and the decibel level to the right of PCM.
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Post by mraub1 on Mar 30, 2017 16:06:15 GMT -5
Weird. Min has the mode at the top, PCM under it, and the decibel level to the right of PCM. |
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