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Post by noahkatz on Apr 7, 2017 14:39:19 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience?
And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together?
The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction.
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Post by goozoo on Apr 8, 2017 10:04:00 GMT -5
The current version of DIRAC already sees 7.2 and will treat them separately or as one. This is currently the case with the XMC-1 non-ATMOS even.
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Post by noahkatz on Apr 8, 2017 12:05:21 GMT -5
Good to know, thanks
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Post by fattykidd on Apr 8, 2017 12:41:05 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience? And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together? The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction. Dirac on each sub channel, Yes. Carries the same signal in dual mono. Carries redirected bass from left and/or right main to left or right sub in "stereo". It analyses them separately, you need to align them yourself with an external dsp if they're in non-equidistant locations. Some have been lucky with the way dirac sets up multiple subs, but as you say... It doesn't account for summed interaction. The current version of DIRAC already sees 7.2 and will treat them separately or as one. This is currently the case with the XMC-1 non-ATMOS even. When did dirac start treating multiple subs as one? Even in dual mono it still treats them separately and doesn't account for the way they interact together. Unless there has been some update that hasn't been publicized yet. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 8, 2017 19:40:02 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience? And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together? The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction. Wish I could help but Atmos is over my head! |
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Post by pknaz on Apr 8, 2017 20:16:51 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience? And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together? The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction. Wish I could help but Atmos is over my head! I see what you did there  |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 8, 2017 21:10:36 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience? And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together? The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction. Wish I could help but Atmos is over my head! I don't use subwoofers because that kind of stuff is beneath me. |
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Post by teaman on Apr 8, 2017 21:29:43 GMT -5
Wish I could help but Atmos is over my head! I don't use subwoofers because that kind of stuff is beneath me. My two cents, I won't by an XMC-1 because Dirac is over my head. |
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Post by goozoo on Apr 9, 2017 1:09:30 GMT -5
Will XMC-1 w/Atmos 7.2.4 have Dirac for each sub channel, or do the sub outputs carry the same signal and just a connection convenience? And if so, does it analyze/EQ them separately and/or together? The problem with the former is that it wouldn't account for modal interaction. Dirac on each sub channel, Yes. Carries the same signal in dual mono. Carries redirected bass from left and/or right main to left or right sub in "stereo". It analyses them separately, you need to align them yourself with an external dsp if they're in non-equidistant locations. Some have been lucky with the way dirac sets up multiple subs, but as you say... It doesn't account for summed interaction. The current version of DIRAC already sees 7.2 and will treat them separately or as one. This is currently the case with the XMC-1 non-ATMOS even. When did dirac start treating multiple subs as one? Even in dual mono it still treats them separately and doesn't account for the way they interact together. Unless there has been some update that hasn't been publicized yet. DIRAC will treat multiple subs as one when set to mono (not dual mono). Yes in dual mono, or stereo it sees it as 7.2, but in mono sees it as just one signal. In the mono scenario, the user must use an outboard DSP when working with 2 or more subs. If working with just 2 subs (usually in stereo or dual mono) DIRAC can be configured to 7.2 with the 2 subs channels linked for the EQ correction process (in essence being treated as one, though technically not). |
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Post by fattykidd on Apr 9, 2017 10:08:57 GMT -5
[/quote] If working with just 2 subs (usually in stereo or dual mono) DIRAC can be configured to 7.2 with the 2 subs channels linked for the EQ correction process (in essence being treated as one, though technically not).
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Doing that only applies the same correction curve to the linked speakers. It still DOESN'T account for the way they interact together with modal issues.
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Post by socketman on Apr 9, 2017 12:06:33 GMT -5
If working with just 2 subs (usually in stereo or dual mono) DIRAC can be configured to 7.2 with the 2 subs channels linked for the EQ correction process (in essence being treated as one, though technically not). [/quote] Doing that only applies the same correction curve to the linked speakers. It still DOESN'T account for the way they interact together with modal issues. [/quote] Which is why , if it really sounds that bad to you or you just happen to be a purist/tinker'r then your next step is a minidsp and software such as REW. I for one am pinning my hopes on Dirac changing this in their pending update which has been announced. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Apr 9, 2017 12:50:51 GMT -5
If working with just 2 subs (usually in stereo or dual mono) DIRAC can be configured to 7.2 with the 2 subs channels linked for the EQ correction process (in essence being treated as one, though technically not). Doing that only applies the same correction curve to the linked speakers. It still DOESN'T account for the way they interact together with modal issues. [/quote] Which is why , if it really sounds that bad to you or you just happen to be a purist/tinker'r then your next step is a minidsp and software such as REW. I for one am pinning my hopes on Dirac changing this in their pending update which has been announced.[/quote. Will the dirac update be available on the xmc-1? |
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Post by socketman on Apr 9, 2017 16:18:14 GMT -5
One can only hope it will be applicable to any device bestowed with Dirac Live
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Post by fattykidd on Apr 9, 2017 17:54:54 GMT -5
If working with just 2 subs (usually in stereo or dual mono) DIRAC can be configured to 7.2 with the 2 subs channels linked for the EQ correction process (in essence being treated as one, though technically not). Doing that only applies the same correction curve to the linked speakers. It still DOESN'T account for the way they interact together with modal issues. [/quote] Which is why , if it really sounds that bad to you or you just happen to be a purist/tinker'r then your next step is a minidsp and software such as REW. I for one am pinning my hopes on Dirac changing this in their pending update which has been announced.[/quote] If Dirac was to implement this in an update.. I will literally cry tears of joy. It's honestly the ONLY bad thing I can think of with Dirac. But since I use outboard dsp for my subs, it's not a dealbreaker. Just trying to make it crystal clear for the OP who asked and recieved a shrouded answer. |
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