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Post by pknaz on Jun 14, 2017 17:06:45 GMT -5
Love these speaker threads... Kinda like telling someone what their favorite ice cream flavor will be. I wish they made pistachio flavored speakers.  Rory B has a pair of Pistachio COLORED speakers that sounded pretty amazing for the price he built them for  |
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Post by pknaz on Jun 14, 2017 17:09:05 GMT -5
There is a certain sharpness and lack of detail I'm hearing from the JBLs especially when I turn the volume up where I tend to listen. I think I'm looking for something more mellow but more detailed. I have the sub and would consider adding another if needed. I listened to some Goldenear 3+ recently which sounded much better but weaker on bass as they didn't have a sub to compliment them. The sales guy said that the ribbon tweeters were a big reason they sounded better? I haven't listened to anything other than the Goldenears so only know that there are obviously a huge number of options to upgrade. There are so many factors that go into a "good" sounding speaker. The drivers themselves are only a small portion of that equation. Things like the construction of the enclosure, the shape/dimensions of the enclosure, the crossover etc. Even auditioning speakers in a room that isn't your own doesn't give you the full picture, as a large portion of what you "hear" is dramatically influenced by your room! |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 14, 2017 17:19:10 GMT -5
I would argue that the crossover is the MOST important factor... but I'm biased. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 14, 2017 17:43:27 GMT -5
I wish they made pistachio flavored speakers. Rory B has a pair of Pistachio COLORED speakers that sounded pretty amazing for the price he built them for But Mr. Rory is a professional speaker designer! |
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Post by Jim on Jun 14, 2017 19:14:55 GMT -5
I would argue that the crossover is the MOST important factor... but I'm biased. Just a little biased, right? :-) |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 14, 2017 20:52:20 GMT -5
LOL Now let's start the " $5K speaker-wire search " thread...
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Post by browning on Jun 17, 2017 22:48:07 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast?
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Post by novisnick on Jun 17, 2017 23:11:10 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast? Non here, but I'd like to!! |
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Post by sahmen on Jun 17, 2017 23:20:20 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast? You probably know this already, but your best bet will be to audition them first, before pulling any triggers, given what a significant investment they're most likely going to be, especially if they're coming with no return policy. Even if someone here were to offer you their impressions, they will never be more valuable to you than those you will be able to formulate at first hand by auditioning them in your own system, and in your own listening space... Those are my two cents, for what they're worth. |
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Post by vneal on Jun 18, 2017 4:07:00 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast? I had a pair from 79-88 bought them new was used in a room 16 x 20 with tall ceilings 16' carpeted imaged excellent played LOUD used top of the line in order separates by Yamha upgraded to BK upgraded to McIntosh C22 tubed preamp mod with Mc SS amp The McIntosh set up was where the LaScallas shined. I never really thought the bass was better than just OK I tried subs(Velodyne at the time) but never was happy with the sub and the wife hated the Klipsch due to their large size Moved out and sold due to much smaller room and bought Thiel CS2.2s I personally think to appreciate the LaScallas you need two things 1-large room & 2- tubed equipment The Lascallas will always have a special place in my heart but I do not think I will ever return do to their size |
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Post by bitsandbytes on Jun 18, 2017 4:42:39 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast? You probably know this already, but your best bet will be to audition them first, before pulling any triggers, given what a significant investment they're most likely going to be, especially if they're coming with no return policy. Even if someone here were to offer you their impressions, they will never be more valuable to you than those you will be able to formulate at first hand by auditioning them in your own system, and in your own listening space... Those are my two cents, for what they're worth. This hits my own personal thoughts right on the head. Everyone tries to be helpful - and as far as comments go you will hear everything and anything. Listeners on here have experienced such highs with their systems - and of course will recommend the equipment they own - so you can experience this too. People have very varied tastes in their sound. Some suggestions on here - to my ears - would be like chugging down Mad Dog or Thunderbird. Won't mention which speakers. Will not put down any product. Not when users who enjoy those speakers have put so much time and money to get the sound that they enjoy. Not to mention it's a violation of forum rules - and rightly so. Many speakers suggested I have not listened to. Others still I have heard good things about, meaning I have no personal opinion at all on them since I did not listen to them with my ears. I would suggest you spend close to that $5k on speakers. As much as you can afford. Listen to as many brands of floor standers that you can with an MSRP of $3000 or more. If you hear speakers you like which are more expensive than that, you may find a used bargain close to that $5k. The last thing you want is to purchase a costly pair of speakers and wind up not liking them - then losing a lot of money when you resell them. If you find a great bargain used without hearing them first - and figure you can resell them with none or minimal loss, that is another way to go. Some members on this forum are experts at this, flipping more equipment than some cooks flip pancakes  Trouble is - you are looking specifically for imaging. A highly sculpted midrange which will give you a 3d sound image. Not that many speakers, in my opinion, excel at this. A couple of favorites of mine that do this well are the B&W 800 series - and Phase Technology (their PC line). Would STRONGLY suggest you listen to the speakers first before you buy. Some listeners are quite polarized when it comes to the B&W sound. Good luck on your search. Walt |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 18, 2017 8:57:15 GMT -5
LOL Now let's start the " $5K speaker-wire search " thread... No search needed:  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2017 9:08:22 GMT -5
I have located a pair of Klipsch La Scalas within my budget. Does anyone have experience with this beast? I've owned about three pairs of LaScala 1 models over the years, and briefly had a set of LaScala 2 models. Regardless of any other merit or demerit, the LaScala is one of the lowest distortion speakers on the market ever, and for ANY price. The LaScalas do what most speakers absolutely don't (if this is of value to you) - they retain musical dynamics from a whisper of a volume all the way up to ear-damage levels. Most speakers absolutely CAN'T do this. Most "direct-radiator" speakers have a certain "loudness threshold" that must be exceeded before they sound dynamic. The LaScalas' loudness threshold is so low that you can play them at "barely hear it" levels and the speakers still sound dynamic. Most "direct-radiator" speakers also have a certain "maximum-loudness" that, if exceeded, reduces music to a non-dynamic loud roar. The LaScalas don't do that. They can play at auditorium levels and still sound like music. The LaScalas are also more sensitive than most speakers. At one-watt-one-meter, the LaScalas put out 104 decibels. Most speakers can't put out that much volume even at maximum input wattage, and if they do, they lose all dynamics (see sentence above). With that high sensitivity comes low distortion. The cones & drivers have to move less because of the horn-loading, and less driver movement (usually) means less distortion. It certainly does with the LaScalas. The horn tweeters, despite not being very extended into the (inaudible) high treble frequencies, give the most realistic cymbal sounds of any speaker I've ever heard. Most tweeters (think B&W) have too much "tizz" and not enough "brass" for my ears. Some think that this sounds good (being an "airy" treble sound), but I'd rather get the brass right even at the expense of the overtones. The LaScalas sound great with solid state AND tube amplifiers. Many speakers prefer one or the other, but the LaScala is ecumenical in its taste. This means that you can use very low-power SET tube amps if you want to and still have plenty of volume capability. The LaScalas are an easy eight-ohm load for amplifiers, and can be driven with anything (even a wimpy AVR). So what's not to like? The horn signatures of the LaScala's midrange coupling horns are bothersome to some people. I found that I got used to it & it didn't continue to bother me, but YMMV. The speaker was originally designed as a PA speaker, and it doesn't go much below 45 Hz. If you want lower bass, you'll need to add a subwoofer. The speakers are large and look somewhat industrial. Some like that look, others don't. So that's the LaScala - In my opinion, one of the greatest speakers ever made (along with the K-Horns). I'd encourage you to at least listen to LaScalas if you ever get the chance. They're one of the few speakers that I could happily live with on a long-term basis. And I'd also say that sonically, the version 1 and version 2 LaScalas are a tossup. Both are excellent. Cordially - Boomzilla   |
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Post by browning on Jun 18, 2017 18:23:53 GMT -5
Exceptional feedback! I have an audition with these speakers this coming Friday. I'll respond with impressions. I understand this dealer uses McIntosh equipment to demo so Insuppose I'll have to consider that when hearing (better or worse than my Emo gear). I'll be certain to report my impressions. I'm super stoked to hear a unit this acclaimed.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2017 18:49:38 GMT -5
IMHO, you'll hear not too much difference between the dealer's McIntosh and your Emotiva gear. The Mac gear is better made, but for its price, it should be.
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Post by Axis on Jun 18, 2017 19:00:19 GMT -5
IMHO, you'll hear not too much difference between the dealer's McIntosh and your Emotiva gear. The Mac gear is better made, but for its price, it should be. Boom when I was about nineteen I bought two McIntosh MC275's. I am here to tell everyone that they were the finest Amps I ever had. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2017 19:09:32 GMT -5
I've owned an MC240 (tube), an MC352 (solid state), and a few others. I found them to be built like tanks and to have excellent sound. And yes, they were also among the finest amplifiers that I've ever had too.
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Post by tommy89 on Jun 18, 2017 20:22:48 GMT -5
I own the Revel F208 and they just do it for me. They image well. Have good bass, they are efficient and look way more expensive than they are. You should be able to get a decent discount on them also
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Post by Axis on Jun 18, 2017 20:47:38 GMT -5
I own the Revel F208 and they just do it for me. They image well. Have good bass, they are efficient and look way more expensive than they are. You should be able to get a decent discount on them also Tommy this has been a favorite of both jmilton and LCSeminole and myself. There is something to say about Revel speakers that go way beyond the norm. I bet they rock ! |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 19, 2017 8:36:42 GMT -5
I concur that Revel speakers are exceptional. Back in the day, I almost bought a pair of F30s. The F30 was an amazing-sounding speaker, and the newer models (although I haven't heard them) are supposed to be even better. So Revel is definitely on the top "should-audition" list in the $5K price range.
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