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Post by rbk123 on May 24, 2017 8:36:56 GMT -5
Hope my UMC-1 keeps going strong or will have to look elsewhere for a replacement as there is no replacement in the current Emotiva lineup....sadly. Currently possessing 2 UMC-1's, an XMC with upgraded HDMI board, and an MC700, I can wholeheartedly assure you the MC700 is a substantial upgrade in sound quality over the UMC-1. |
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Post by DYohn on May 24, 2017 9:49:07 GMT -5
Are you yelling at me? Then ok, I will. NO. AND IT'S A DUMB QUESTION. |
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Post by adaboy on May 24, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
Im not sure I trust any of the processors to work without all of the work arounds... However as long as they never ever ever use the chip set of the umc and mc700 they may can get past this nonsense chapter. What workarounds are needed for the XMC-1? This is actually very stable since about firmware 3 I think. The UMC-200 only ever had hardware related problems regarding the SMPS imho. I had one for almost 3 years and it worked great. You still made my point, x number of firmware updates just to get it to work properly, consistent hardware issues... and early adopters used as post beta testers? Not a good track record on processors. For the price of a XMC-1 to get in the ballpark of features of say Marantz's offering prices are similar however with less features from Emotiva. |
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Post by rbk123 on May 24, 2017 12:27:58 GMT -5
You still made my point, x number of firmware updates just to get it to work properly, consistent hardware issues... and early adopters used as post beta testers? Not a good track record on processors. For the price of a XMC-1 to get in the ballpark of features of say Marantz's offering prices are similar however with less features from Emotiva. In a perfect world the Emo processors wouldn't have any issues right from the getgo. Unfortunately it's not the world we live in. I'll take that suffering to get to a stable product that sounds far better than a Marantz, but others wouldn't. To each his own. |
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Post by adaboy on May 24, 2017 12:31:06 GMT -5
You still made my point, x number of firmware updates just to get it to work properly, consistent hardware issues... and early adopters used as post beta testers? Not a good track record on processors. For the price of a XMC-1 to get in the ballpark of features of say Marantz's offering prices are similar however with less features from Emotiva. In a perfect world the Emo processors wouldn't have any issues right from the getgo. Unfortunately it's not the world we live in. I'll take that suffering to get to a stable product that sounds far better than a Marantz, but others wouldn't. To each his own. I don't mean this to be negative as I really like Emotiva but does it really sound better or is it just what you like? Or is it buyer bias? |
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Post by rbk123 on May 24, 2017 12:35:02 GMT -5
If it didn't sound better I wouldn't buy it or keep it.
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2017 12:48:46 GMT -5
In a perfect world the Emo processors wouldn't have any issues right from the getgo. Unfortunately it's not the world we live in. I'll take that suffering to get to a stable product that sounds far better than a Marantz, but others wouldn't. To each his own. I don't mean this to be negative as I really like Emotiva but does it really sound better or is it just what you like? Or is it buyer bias? The XMC-1 sounds BETTER! Fact, not fiction. My Mrs. Is pissed because I sold our unit! Without her knowledge its gone and replaced with a a pre/pro thatsNOT its equal for Two channel music. How did she find out it was gone without entering the room you ask, she heard the difference walking by the room. Stopped in the hall, turned around and came in and asked "what happened to the music?" We had the same scenario when I purchased my Mac C-220 tube preamp, but with the opposite result. She loved its sound a little more, especially playing vinyl. My Mrs has a great ear, better then mine and she is brutally honest about gear. MRS. NOVIS IS NOT HAPPY THE XMC-1 is gone. as I dropped it at the shipper I swear I heard the terminator say,,,,, " I'll be back!" |
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Post by adaboy on May 24, 2017 13:02:37 GMT -5
I don't mean this to be negative as I really like Emotiva but does it really sound better or is it just what you like? Or is it buyer bias? The XMC-1 sounds BETTER! Fact, not fiction. My Mrs. Is pissed because I sold our unit! Without her knowledge its gone and replaced with a a pre/pro thatsNOT its equal for Two channel music. How did she find out it was gone without entering the room you ask, she heard the difference walking by the room. Stopped in the hall, turned around and came in and asked "what happened to the music?" We had the same scenario when I purchased my Mac C-220 tube preamp, but with the opposite result. She loved its sound a little more, especially playing vinyl. My Mrs has a great ear, better then mine and she is brutally honest about gear. MRS. NOVIS IS NOT HAPPY THE XMC-1 is gone. as I dropped it at the shipper I swear I heard the terminator say,,,,, " I'll be back!" No doubt about Mrs Nivis likes and dislikes. I just am having a hard time coming to grips with it sounds so good hands down better than everything else? What mqkes this sound that great? I've heard it once and was like nice but is it the best? Is it better than its class? What makes it so? I would think it would be everywhere if that was the case right? No I can't say that because there are alot of underground speakers and such that sound fantastic but you get my point. I'm trying to understand why people put up with all of the bs for this prepro for their sound quality? Must be magic I missed. |
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Post by rbk123 on May 24, 2017 13:25:13 GMT -5
No real BS with the XMC, other than the wait for the new boards, but when those come out I'd be surprised if they didn't have bugs.
MC700 bugs are annoying and they really need to move on from Cirrus based processors for all the problems Emo continues to repeat, but the bugs now are substantially less and tolerable (to *me*) because of the sound quality.
I'm sure when the RMC comes out, it will have lots of issues that need to be resolved. I can't wait to hear the chorus of "for $5k I expect my processor to....". It's inevitable.
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Post by creimes on May 24, 2017 14:02:14 GMT -5
You still made my point, x number of firmware updates just to get it to work properly, consistent hardware issues... and early adopters used as post beta testers? Not a good track record on processors. For the price of a XMC-1 to get in the ballpark of features of say Marantz's offering prices are similar however with less features from Emotiva. In a perfect world the Emo processors wouldn't have any issues right from the getgo. Unfortunately it's not the world we live in. I'll take that suffering to get to a stable product that sounds far better than a Marantz, but others wouldn't. To each his own. Funny I had the same experience, I owned a PT-7020C4(UMC-1) and went to a Marantz AV7702 and have now gone back to another 720C4, and yes it is all subjective but I honestly found my 7020C4 to sound noticeably better than the Marantz, the Sherbourn just sounds more crisp and cleaner than the Marantz which seemed to muddy the sound up, the Marantz had more features sure but I want SQ over things like Airplay and Atmos which I don't use anyhow, and oh how I miss my XMC-1 with dirac full, hopefully one day I have the funds to repurchase  Chad |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 24, 2017 15:12:37 GMT -5
Are you yelling at me? Then ok, I will. NO. AND IT'S A DUMB QUESTION. So if you go into a new car dealer with say $20k to spend and he says over here we have this 4 cylinder car for $10k with these 5 features. Over there we have this 8 cylinder car for $50k with these 10 features. Which one do you want? Well I'd actually like a 6 cylinder car with these 7 features. Is he really going to say, best you go to another car dealer? No way, he's going to demand that the car manufacturer fill the gap, 5 times the price is just too mch, leaves too big a hole in the market, for his opposition to steal his customers. He knows that once his customer buys another brand chances are he will do it again, so it's not just one sale he loses, there are repeat sales at risk too. I really can't think of another product where a manufacturer leaves a 5 times price gap in their range. That's just leaving a hole for your opposition to drive right through. Cheers Gary |
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2017 15:42:25 GMT -5
Are you yelling at me? Then ok, I will. NO. AND IT'S A DUMB QUESTION. So if you go into a new car dealer with say $20k to spend and he says over here we have this 4 cylinder car for $10k with these 5 features. Over there we have this 8 cylinder car for $50k with these 10 features. Which one do you want? Well I'd actually like a 6 cylinder car with these 7 features. Is he really going to say, best you go to another car dealer? No way, he's going to demand that the car manufacturer fill the gap, 5 times the price is just too mch, leaves too big a hole in the market, for his opposition to steal his customers. He knows that once his customer buys another brand chances are he will do it again, so it's not just one sale he loses, there are repeat sales at risk too. I really can't think of another product where a manufacturer leaves a 5 times price gap in their range. That's just leaving a hole for your opposition to drive right through. Cheers Gary So, the XMC-1L should fit this spot. |
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Post by novisnick on May 24, 2017 15:43:54 GMT -5
In a perfect world the Emo processors wouldn't have any issues right from the getgo. Unfortunately it's not the world we live in. I'll take that suffering to get to a stable product that sounds far better than a Marantz, but others wouldn't. To each his own. Funny I had the same experience, I owned a PT-7020C4(UMC-1) and went to a Marantz AV7702 and have now gone back to another 720C4, and yes it is all subjective but I honestly found my 7020C4 to sound noticeably better than the Marantz, the Sherbourn just sounds more crisp and cleaner than the Marantz which seemed to muddy the sound up, the Marantz had more features sure but I want SQ over things like Airplay and Atmos which I don't use anyhow, and oh how I miss my XMC-1 with dirac full, hopefully one day I have the funds to repurchase Chad Im with you Chad! |
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Post by goozoo on May 24, 2017 15:51:28 GMT -5
I'm sure when the RMC comes out, it will have lots of issues that need to be resolved. I can't wait to hear the chorus of "for $5k I expect my processor to....". It's inevitable. This is what concerns me personally about pulling the trigger on the RMC-1 when it comes out. At $5K+ you are now in the same play pen as Classe, Krell, etc; and those buyers speak with their wallets. We just serviced a client (video calibration) whose XMC-1 had stopped working with the built in EQ functionality. Emo will take great care of him no doubt, but the unit was only 2 years old! He's now thinking of selling the unit (once repaired) and switching to another mfgr. Goes back to the point of repeat sales and customer loyalty limits. For what its' worth, I hope that Emo hits it out of the park on all their lines and they take the necessary steps to fill in the sales voids for the rapidly growing customer base looking to make those purchases. A podcast would be nice right about now don't you think? |
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