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Post by Gary Cook on May 22, 2017 22:50:13 GMT -5
Simple question, if the MC-700 costs $599 and the XMC-1 with Dirack Live plus HDMI and Atmos upgrades cost ($2,499 + $99 + $350 + $500 =) $3,448 is that gap too much? To put it in perspective, we can buy almost 6 x MC-700's for the cost of 1 x XMC-1. Of course I am ignoring discount cards and Upgrade for Life eligibility, but even with them included the % gap is still the same.
Surely there is room between these two excellent products for a 3rd processor, say something around $1500 would fill the gap nicely. The specifications of that product we can debate all day but in the end it's what Émotiva can accommodate at that price point. I know we had a question from Dan a while back about a potential gap filler but time has moved on and things like 4K, HDR, Dolby Vision plus Atmos and DTS-X are becoming more popular and common in TV's and other gear. Maybe it's time to revisit the possibiliity of the mid range processor.
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Gary
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Post by creimes on May 22, 2017 23:55:52 GMT -5
Well the on hold EMP-1 would have fit the bill nicely at the proposed $999 tag and which is what I was waiting for since the dollar puts the XMC-1 way out of my reach, lets hope it comes back at that price.
Chad
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Post by bolle on May 23, 2017 1:09:15 GMT -5
Easy solution - make the MC-700 more expensive!  |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 23, 2017 1:41:53 GMT -5
Well the on hold EMP-1 would have fit the bill nicely at the proposed $999 tag and which is what I was waiting for since the dollar puts the XMC-1 way out of my reach, lets hope it comes back at that price. Chad Completely the wrong format for my system, would look like a round peg in a square hole (sic). Plus it was originally "announced" in Dec 2015, that makes it so old it wouldn't have the necessary features ie; well out of date. Dan announced a redesign/respec was on the cards after they finish the RMC-1 and the XMC-1 upgrades/updates, so could be a while. Maybe stick the new and improved EMP-1 internals inside the traditional Emotiva 17 x 4 x 16 box, that'll work for me.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by dragonV on May 23, 2017 4:37:47 GMT -5
Yep something around $900-1500 with the appropriate specs and features would be perfect. The XMC-1L (but a volume knob none of this button volume control 😵) would have been perfect. I know there was a poll run on the lounge about this some time ago, but I would also argue that simply asking the lounge does not really give a true picture of the real demand out there in this price range. $4000 for a XMC-1 here in Australia is just not going to happen, and the MC-700 is just a bit basic. Hope my UMC-1 keeps going strong or will have to look elsewhere for a replacement as there is no replacement in the current Emotiva lineup....sadly.
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Post by enricoclaudio on May 23, 2017 7:47:34 GMT -5
The price for the XMC-1 with the new v3 HDMI board + Atmos / DTS-X upgrade board is $2999 shipped + $99 Dirac Live Full = $3098. The $2499 current price includes the New v3 HDMI board upgrade.
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Post by adaboy on May 23, 2017 8:12:21 GMT -5
Im not sure I trust any of the processors to work without all of the work arounds...
However as long as they never ever ever use the chip set of the umc and mc700 they may can get past this nonsense chapter.
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Post by vcautokid on May 23, 2017 8:22:46 GMT -5
Not at all really. Most manufacturers have only one preamplifier processor. But wait yes, Emotiva will introduce more.
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Post by Boomzilla on May 23, 2017 9:03:27 GMT -5
There are two theories on processors:
1. Buy the best and use it for a long time (the XMC-1 camp) or
2. It'll be obsolete by the time you get it home, so buy inexpensively & replace frequently (the MC-700 camp)
Which you belong to probably determines your buying choice. I can understand both camps, and haven't yet decided on my preference (if any).
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Post by bolle on May 23, 2017 10:04:28 GMT -5
Im not sure I trust any of the processors to work without all of the work arounds... However as long as they never ever ever use the chip set of the umc and mc700 they may can get past this nonsense chapter. What workarounds are needed for the XMC-1? This is actually very stable since about firmware 3 I think. The UMC-200 only ever had hardware related problems regarding the SMPS imho. I had one for almost 3 years and it worked great. |
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Post by creimes on May 23, 2017 10:09:17 GMT -5
There are two theories on processors: 1. Buy the best and use it for a long time (the XMC-1 camp) or 2. It'll be obsolete by the time you get it home, so buy inexpensively & replace frequently (the MC-700 camp) Which you belong to probably determines your buying choice. I can understand both camps, and haven't yet decided on my preference (if any). I myself don't believe so much in the obsolete thing, well at least not as fast as they make you think they are, I'm still running 5.2 with great results, if I had a bigger room I would most likely take advantage of 7.2, Atmos and all those new formats to make us buy new gear is marketing 101, not saying it doesn't sometimes make a difference but for most it's too large a investment to always have the latest. Chad |
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Post by Loop 7 on May 23, 2017 11:31:23 GMT -5
I myself don't believe so much in the obsolete thing, well at least not as fast as they make you think they are... Agree completely. I assume a vast majority of homes are using TV speakers, sound bars or "home theater in a box" products. For those with formal surround rooms, I will naively assume most are 5.1 or 7.1. These are guesses. I'm still 5.1 - 1080p but it provides tremendous enjoyment. |
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Post by goozoo on May 23, 2017 15:58:23 GMT -5
The ~$3K price point is actually pretty much in line with other mainstream processors like the Marantz, Dennon, Yamaha, etc.; but at a much higher sound quality in my opinion. The challenge is that, as technology grows and gets cheaper to make, there is a growing number of consumers who know that they can get the same SQ for about half the price. The market for $1K-$1.5K is growing and companies like Outlaw Audio are stepping in to fill the gap (e.g. their upcoming 7.1.4 ATMOS processor). Having never listened to any of their products, I can't offer any input as to the SQ, but given their strong following, it would seem that they stand to sell quite a few units to these consumers. As Emotiva ramps up its' production to fill in the lineup of BasX, Emersa, and X series; it would seem very logical that they too would have an answer to this growing segment. Unfortunately, as we all know, production is often plagued by unforeseen delays (e.g. XMC-1, RMC-1) which results in consumers looking elsewhere to fill the void.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 23, 2017 16:09:47 GMT -5
I myself don't believe so much in the obsolete thing, well at least not as fast as they make you think they are, I'm still running 5.2 with great results, if I had a bigger room I would most likely take advantage of 7.2, Atmos and all those new formats to make us buy new gear is marketing 101, not saying it doesn't sometimes make a difference but for most it's too large a investment to always have the latest. Chad It's not just audio Chad, I still run 5.1, there is also video to consider and 4K is pretty much main stream now. Plus the ever changing HDCP and HDMI standards. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on May 23, 2017 18:21:19 GMT -5
There are two theories on processors: 1. Buy the best and use it for a long time (the XMC-1 camp) or 2. It'll be obsolete by the time you get it home, so buy inexpensively & replace frequently (the MC-700 camp) Which you belong to probably determines your buying choice. I can understand both camps, and haven't yet decided on my preference (if any). That's about right boom, but soon there will be an RMC-1 above the XMC-1 so it will no longer be "the best"  For me a "long time" is perspective driven, in AVR's/processors 3 years is almost a long time and replacing a ~$3K processor every 3 years clashes somewhat with Emotiva's philosophy of value for money. Í would also consider holding onto a "the best" past the time when it's superseded by technology no longer means that it's "the best". I know that Emotiva are working hard to prolong the XMC-1's life but right now there is an argument that the MC-700 is currently the best. As it includes 3 x 4K HDMI video inputs that support 4K UHD HDR video with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and the XMC-1 doesn't. So, depending on people's requirements, the MC-700 may well be "the best" for them. For people who fall into the 2nd category, this is the basic logic as I see it for having a mid range processor that is updated more frequently then the premium products. Cheers Gary |
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Post by DYohn on May 23, 2017 18:50:00 GMT -5
The mistake you guys are making is using price point as some sort of qualitative criteria. It is definitely not.
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Post by vneal on May 23, 2017 19:01:59 GMT -5
ANSWER THE QUESTION
YES
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Post by klinemj on May 23, 2017 19:20:30 GMT -5
This is where the XMC-1L would have fit!
Mark
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Post by petew on May 23, 2017 20:22:45 GMT -5
For me the price of the XMC-1 is about at my spending limit. That said, I wouldn't pay that much for a 7.2 unit. Bring me an XMC-2 at the same price point of $2,499 with 7.2.4 Atmos and the latest HDMI hoo-ha. I'd be willing to pay extra for Dirac. I also require multiple loudspeaker presets at that price.
I'd jump on a middle of the road box like my imagined XMC-2 but without balanced I/O, fewer HDMI inputs, and ditch the tuner. Price point would need to be about $1,499 plus another $149 for the mic and Dirac.
As it stands now I'd settle for the 700 and do without Dirac or Atmos. My UMC-200 is fine for now and the only reason I'd buy the 700 is for a second system. If I could buy either of my fantasy pre-pros the UMC-200 has a home in my living room.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 23, 2017 22:51:44 GMT -5
The mistake you guys are making is using price point as some sort of qualitative criteria. It is definitely not. That's what I said, even though its price is lower, some people would claim the MC-700 is "the best" because it handles 4K HDMI video inputs with support for 4K, UHD and HDR video with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. Not me of course Cheers Gary |
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