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Post by socketman on Jun 24, 2017 21:23:04 GMT -5
I try to stay abreast of things around here regarding the XMC 1. Today i got to wondering if the new HDMI board that is hopefully soon to be released will support DV and HLG along with HDR10 . The way technology advances we may never get a new board that is capable of being current ,hopefully a firmware fix can hold off the march of tech for a bit.
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Post by bootman on Jun 25, 2017 5:21:51 GMT -5
HDMI 2.1? Got ask yourself how many of those devices do you currently own or plan to immediately purchase once they are released that don't have dual HDMI out. Next gen 2018 game consoles? If you want DV video content it currently is only available via streaming and DV capable displays have the apps built in. I just got a LG OLED that does HDR and DV so I'm in this very boat and moved my xbox-s from the xmc to directly into the display and back fed the audio to the XMC. Why? so I can play Injustice2 in HDR.  So while nice to have on a check off list, are they practical to you? Serious question for the masses. What was the last "future proof" device you purchased? Still have it and was it really future proof?  |
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Post by cwt on Jun 25, 2017 6:07:25 GMT -5
I try to stay abreast of things around here regarding the XMC 1. Today i got to wondering if the new HDMI board that is hopefully soon to be released will support DV and HLG along with HDR10 . The way technology advances we may never get a new board that is capable of being current ,hopefully a firmware fix can hold off the march of tech for a bit. Eventually found it socketman Banking on hdmi 2.1 being needed for the dynamic metadata version of hdr10 but [ if it ever gets any discs encoded in it ? ] emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/886348/threadI feel confident about dv for the new board as other makes are getting dv upgrades for only some of their ancient 2.0a chipsets  Only some - not including say Marantz 8802a - at least in Oz “Dolby Vision can technically be routed through any equipment starting at v1.4.b and above, however, the device needs to be aware of the kind of signal properties that differentiate Dolby Vision from a standard SDR signal. To this effect, we have issued a compatibility SDK that several manufacturers have already used to obtain pass-through compatibility on upcoming products. Compatibility on existing products is something that could possibly achieved as well, but is of course at the discretion of each manufacturer/OEM.” |
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Post by socketman on Jun 25, 2017 12:37:55 GMT -5
God only knows what the future holds for me as far as display tech goes. I have a 4k tv non hdr and a 4k player (oppo) and honestly an upscaled bluray looks just as good as a 4k disc to my tired eyes. I realize the only way these companies can keep selling new equipment (at least in their minds) is to keep dangling the carrot in front of our noses. I am content where i am for now,this was more a curiosity question than anything.
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Post by musicfan on Jun 25, 2017 12:42:05 GMT -5
denon just announced their flagship avr 7200wa will have a free FW update to allow for DV and HLG
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Post by lesliew on Jun 25, 2017 13:07:10 GMT -5
denon just announced their flagship avr 7200wa will have a free FW update to allow for DV and HLG I saw the post from JD over on AVS a few days ago, its Interesting that they would have done that. Its almost unprecedented for a large organization like D&M to effectively prolong the life of a 3 year old AVR with such an important update. They also made available the 2017 remote app to 7200WA owners. Initially reports from D&M said that the app wouldn't be available for legacy hardware. |
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Post by jmilton on Jun 25, 2017 16:04:37 GMT -5
...however, there are at least three 4K movie with DV out in the wild right now, with more on the way next month.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 25, 2017 16:27:33 GMT -5
Took me some time to realize what DV was. Dolby Vision.
Y'all have to know that the XMC-2 is slated to come out. After it comes out, I don't know how financially viable it will be to retrofit the old XMC-1 with upgrades. I mean it might be, but if it was me, I wouldn't bet my money on it.
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Post by 2muchht on Jun 25, 2017 16:53:01 GMT -5
Just to set minds somewhat at ease, you do NOT need HDMI 2.1 for the dynamic metadata used by Dolby Vision. In fact, DV not only works with plain HDMI 2.0, but at least up to 1080 it works with HDMI 1.4b. The Samsung version of what DV does, called "HDR-10+" may need HDMI 2.0b, but they have been a bit sketchy about that. They are discussing all of that with the creative community in LA this week, so maybe word on that will leak out from the sessions. I've heard it is a bit closed-door, but hopefully some people will be there and report on it.
As to HDMI 2.1, that is still a bit away. Displays with it at CES 2018 AT THE EARLIEST, and probably beyond that for UltraHD Blu ray players. It's a step into preparation for future format extensions, as well as being more easily compatible with 2160p/4:4:4/10- or 12-bit video. Current HDMI 2.0 really isn't spec's for that as it requires 22MHz, and all the spec covers is 18MHz, and that is BEFORE deducting for headroom. In fairness to audio suppliers, you may hear some hints about it's availability at CES, but don't look for it in broad application for a while, particularly from anyone other than the REALLY BIG, major video and audio companies. It requires new chips, tighter layouts and all sorts of things that just ain't gonna be fun for product designers. Let's just say that it will NOT be a simple firmware update; new chips and more will be needed.
An aside (edit here). THe new Xbox One X, announced recently at E3, will NOT have HDMI 2.1. Nor, at least for now, will it have Dolby Vision. THe latter is very possible by the launch date in November. The former, not so much for the reasons mentioned above. The hardware for that ship has almost certainly sailed.
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Post by petew on Jun 25, 2017 19:23:03 GMT -5
Took me some time to realize what DV was. Dolby Vision. Y'all have to know that the XMC-2 is slated to come out. After it comes out, I don't know how financially viable it will be to retrofit the old XMC-1 with upgrades. I mean it might be, but if it was me, I wouldn't bet my money on it. My WAG, XMC-1, XMC-2 and RMC-1 will all share the same HDMI board (and power supply). Why reinvent the wheel and have multiple SKU's that basically do the same thing. |
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Post by knucklehead on Jun 25, 2017 19:35:27 GMT -5
What was the last "future proof" device you purchased? Still have it and was it really future proof? +1 - if you want 'future-proof' audio electronics get a two channel rig. It'll work even with the latest/greatest 4k (is 8k just around the corner?) DV blah blah blah high tech video stuff. The AV industry will make sure you never have a piece of AV gear that is future-proof. If they did they'd go broke. I'm 'stuck' on 5.1 and don't feel like I'm missing anything. If I were to make any changes to my living room setup it would be to revert back to two channel. Something I've mulled over a time or two. Emotiva and a few other manufacturers get some credit for their gear at least being somewhat upgradeable (future-proof?) with add-in cards etc. The big manufacturers don't seem to care one bit that their product lifespan is 1-2 years - "just buy more of our stuff" is what I'm hearing from them. Maybe they need to learn a few things? |
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Post by bootman on Jun 26, 2017 5:54:11 GMT -5
OEMs have to eat too.
The introduction of HDMI has been a boon for a business that was spooked when the first ipod came out.
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Post by garbulky on Jun 26, 2017 9:48:49 GMT -5
What was the last "future proof" device you purchased? Still have it and was it really future proof? +1 - if you want 'future-proof' audio electronics get a two channel rig. It'll work even with the latest/greatest 4k (is 8k just around the corner?) DV blah blah blah high tech video stuff. The AV industry will make sure you never have a piece of AV gear that is future-proof. If they did they'd go broke. I'm 'stuck' on 5.1 and don't feel like I'm missing anything. If I were to make any changes to my living room setup it would be to revert back to two channel. Something I've mulled over a time or two. Emotiva and a few other manufacturers get some credit for their gear at least being somewhat upgradeable (future-proof?) with add-in cards etc. The big manufacturers don't seem to care one bit that their product lifespan is 1-2 years - "just buy more of our stuff" is what I'm hearing from them. Maybe they need to learn a few things? Unfortunately this is also not going to be possible soon. You would think the simple SPDIF port would just hang around but for a large proportion of the 4k gen devices, they've done away with the SPDIF port. You can still get it on some of the premium versions but most of the time, this simple addition is done away with. Apple TV, Roku etc. Everybody seems to want to go with HDMI connections. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 27, 2017 13:38:43 GMT -5
Just gotta say that I will be majorly disappointed if this board is released without support for Dolby Vision pass-through. I wouldn't buy the "V2" board because it didn't support HDR10. If the "V3" board doesn't support DV, then I won't be buying it either...  |
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Only some - not including say Marantz 8802a - at least in Oz 
