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Post by novisnick on Jul 20, 2017 21:44:37 GMT -5
Id like to get back to audio my friends.  I have a lovely set of PSA XV 15se subs (ported). Ive really enjoyed them for some time now but I and are remarkable. That said Im thinking of upgrading slightly for my HT and 2.2 channel stereo when I play music that requires kick. For HT id like to get kicked but I don't want to go to the poorhouse. 😋 If I can trade in my subs id like to get the best bang for the buck without being stupid with money. (Which is in very limited supply!)  The room size is 12'6" X 16' X 8' Im thinking maybe a S3601i or a pair of S3000i 's or some other suggestion, but id need to sell my current subs first. What say you? When will Emotiva come with their serious subs is anybody's guess, whats yours? Im posting this with all due respect to our host, thanks Emotiva, y'all know I always have Blue Coolaid on hand! 😁🎶 |
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Post by fattykidd on Jul 20, 2017 22:09:56 GMT -5
Jtr captivator 118ht.
Has more down low..(under30hz) and much more mid..ish bass than your current xv15's.
Kind of rugged, utilitarian finish on it but when I look at pics of your room your subs have covers on them anyway..
Price is pretty similar to the s3000i and from my understanding Jeff is pretty good about discounts for ordering multiples.
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Post by vneal on Jul 20, 2017 22:54:47 GMT -5
My opinion is to buy the best sub you can afford. To me the top brands can be counted on one hand. Whereas speaker offerings have about 36 great brands
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Post by geebo on Jul 21, 2017 7:02:49 GMT -5
Id like to get back to audio my friends. I have a lovely set of PSA XV 15se subs (ported). Ive really enjoyed them for some time now but I and are remarkable. That said Im thinking of upgrading slightly for my HT and 2.2 channel stereo when I play music that requires kick. For HT id like to get kicked but I don't want to go to the poorhouse. 😋 If I can trade in my subs id like to get the best bang for the buck without being stupid with money. (Which is in very limited supply!) The room size is 12'6" X 16' X 8' Im thinking maybe a S3601i or a pair of S3000i 's or some other suggestion, but id need to sell my current subs first. What say you? When will Emotiva come with their serious subs is anybody's guess, whats yours? Im posting this with all due respect to our host, thanks Emotiva, y'all know I always have Blue Coolaid on hand! 😁🎶If you want bang for the buck check out the HSU ULS15 MKII. Sealed 15" and a pair will only set you back about $1,500. www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/hsu-uls-15-mk2 |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 21, 2017 8:29:07 GMT -5
My opinion is to buy the best sub you can afford. To me the top brands can be counted on one hand. Whereas speaker offerings have about 36 great brands That's exactly what I did..... Velodyne was one of that handful of top tier. When I made the decision and went to look they had a 12 and 15 inch at the shop. I ordered the 18 without ever seeing or hearing one live. No regrets and proportionally, a very nice match to my main systems that contain (4) ten inch woofers. This was done before multiple subs. Grew in popularity. In my space, an additional 18" sub. Would have me running for cover. Bill |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 21, 2017 9:10:11 GMT -5
Id like to get back to audio my friends. I have a lovely set of PSA XV 15se subs (ported). Ive really enjoyed them for some time now but I and are remarkable. That said Im thinking of upgrading slightly for my HT and 2.2 channel stereo when I play music that requires kick. For HT id like to get kicked but I don't want to go to the poorhouse. 😋 If I can trade in my subs id like to get the best bang for the buck without being stupid with money. (Which is in very limited supply!) The room size is 12'6" X 16' X 8' Im thinking maybe a S3601i or a pair of S3000i 's or some other suggestion, but id need to sell my current subs first. What say you? When will Emotiva come with their serious subs is anybody's guess, whats yours? Im posting this with all due respect to our host, thanks Emotiva, y'all know I always have Blue Coolaid on hand! 😁🎶What don't you like about the PSA's? Or what do you feel could be better? Having a pair of these in a room your size seems to me like you should have plenty of good bass. Going larger is overkill, in my opinion. If you buy a single larger sub then you lose the benefits of having two subs to balance out room problems. If you go with two larger subs, how much do you really need for a room that size? Not only that but you'll lose money on the current subs plus think of the hassle of shipping them. Of course I'm just trying to be practical, which I know has no value when it comes to audio stuff.  |
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Post by 405x5 on Jul 21, 2017 12:05:40 GMT -5
monkumonku Said:
"Going larger is overkill, in my opinion. If you buy a single larger sub then you lose the benefits of having two subs to balance out room problems."
I'm sure that's true under certain conditions (problems with the room as you say and numerous other things, especially the speakers that are being paired with the sub.)
However, after my experience with the one large and powerful unit, I would not be overly quick to disregard the option.
Bill
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Post by simpleman68 on Jul 21, 2017 12:27:10 GMT -5
Nick,
Some great recommendations posted up.
I have 2 good subs for sale.
Seaton Sub HP+ and a HSU VTF-15H for sale.
Shipping is a bugger though....
I can also vouch for anything JTR. Jeff makes some insane subs for a reasonable price.
Scott
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 21, 2017 13:27:37 GMT -5
Have you looked at you bass response with REW?
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 21, 2017 15:22:50 GMT -5
Hi novisnick - A single sub pressurizes the room from one location only. Room-correction programs (such as YPAO) can listen to the response and reduce any peaks in the bass response. But YPAO can't correct any dips in the frequency response. More than one sub (placed in different room locations) can confuse the room reflections. But this is actually a good thing. Why? Because having the subs in different locations produces an interference pattern. That pattern cancels at some frequencies and reinforces at others. So were you to look at the frequency response of the bass using multiple subs, there would be more peaks and dips, but the amplitude of those peaks and dips would be half or less the amplitude of a single sub. Then when you run YPAO, it "has less to do." The dips aren't so extreme, and the peaks aren't so extreme. This is the theoretical benefit of multiple subs. In practice, things can be more complex. I had Lounge members telling me that stacking my XV-15s vertically would make room dips and peaks worse, not better. They were wrong - Vertical displacement of subs can be nearly as effective as horizontal displacement. Why? Because the room is a 3-dimensional space, not a two-dimensional one. Of course nobody believed me until I contacted Tom at PSA and he confirmed what I said. Additionally, after the second or third sub, the theoretical benefits of multiple subs decline exponentially. The "second sub" gets almost all of the available improvement. And no matter how many more you use, only a small additional improvement is possible. But having a dual-driver sub can (almost) provide as much benefit as having multiple subs. Even the small 20 to 24 inch displacement from the two radiating surfaces is enough to significantly change the room resonance patterns. This previous sentence is my opinion, and I've yet to find any online corroboration. But I'm convinced that it's true. My confidence comes not from my new (dual-driver) sub, but rather from the "stacking experiment" with my XV-15s. The vertical displacement was only about 22 inches, but the "room smoothing effect" was significant. My new and solitary (dual-driver) sub sounds no less smooth than my previous dual 15s. And finally, using a single PowerSound Audio S3601 for both music and movies is NOT a compromise in ANY way. Really. No, PowerSound doesn't make the least expensive subs on the market. Nor are their offerings the acme of any specific parameter (volume, wattage, extension, vanishingly low distortion, etc.). But I think that they're very strong in ALL of those parameters. That makes their products some of the best balanced options on the market. I believe that so strongly that I've voted with my wallet multiple times now. Cordially - Boomzilla |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 21, 2017 15:48:09 GMT -5
Have you looked at you bass response with REW? No I haven't. Wish i had some experience with it. I do have the tools im sure just not so confident in their use or methods. it been some time since I've even looked at REW, Maybe 3 years, when I first set up these two subs. I do know that they sound good but I don't have a kick in the chest from them, is that being a little needy? Or wanting too much? 😋 |
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Post by fattykidd on Jul 21, 2017 16:15:18 GMT -5
Have you looked at you bass response with REW? No I haven't. Wish i had some experience with it. I do have the tools im sure just not so confident in their use or methods. it been some time since I've even looked at REW, Maybe 3 years, when I first set up these two subs. I do know that they sound good but I don't have a kick in the chest from them, is that being a little needy? Or wanting too much? 😋 Kick in the chest? Integrate an Mbm. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 21, 2017 16:39:00 GMT -5
No I haven't. Wish i had some experience with it. I do have the tools im sure just not so confident in their use or methods. it been some time since I've even looked at REW, Maybe 3 years, when I first set up these two subs. I do know that they sound good but I don't have a kick in the chest from them, is that being a little needy? Or wanting too much? 😋 Kick in the chest? Integrate an Mbm. I'll bite, Mbm? |
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Post by fattykidd on Jul 21, 2017 16:53:29 GMT -5
Mid bass module.
Have you tried changing your target curve in Dirac at all? Maybe eq in a little mid bass hump.Just a thought, its free to try.
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 21, 2017 17:03:16 GMT -5
Kick in the chest? Integrate an Mbm. I'll bite, Mbm? MBM = mid bass module. Something like what Hsu used to sell. It emphasizes the middle bass frequencies that make you feel that kick. |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 21, 2017 17:39:45 GMT -5
Closest recommend distance from wall to driver? Rule of thumb anybody?
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Post by gus4emo on Jul 21, 2017 17:47:38 GMT -5
Id like to get back to audio my friends. I have a lovely set of PSA XV 15se subs (ported). Ive really enjoyed them for some time now but I and are remarkable. That said Im thinking of upgrading slightly for my HT and 2.2 channel stereo when I play music that requires kick. For HT id like to get kicked but I don't want to go to the poorhouse. 😋 If I can trade in my subs id like to get the best bang for the buck without being stupid with money. (Which is in very limited supply!) The room size is 12'6" X 16' X 8' Im thinking maybe a S3601i or a pair of S3000i 's or some other suggestion, but id need to sell my current subs first. What say you? When will Emotiva come with their serious subs is anybody's guess, whats yours? Im posting this with all due respect to our host, thanks Emotiva, y'all know I always have Blue Coolaid on hand! 😁🎶HSU RESEARCH |
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 21, 2017 17:53:55 GMT -5
MBM = mid bass module. Something like what Hsu used to sell. It emphasizes the middle bass frequencies that make you feel that kick. Exactly. HSU retired their MBM because the redesigned ULS-15 MK II can now easily outperform it. A friend of mine, who bought my old Epik Valor's, recently purchased a pair of the ULS-15's after one of the Valors bit the dust. The ULS-15 MK II is simply amazing. If you want powerful response above 20 Hz, but also want to keep the enclosure on the smaller side, I highly recommend giving these some serious consideration. The USL-15 MK II may very well be my next subwoofer(s) and that order might be on its way to Dr. Hsu very soon...  |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jul 21, 2017 18:27:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one is mentioning the new SVS SB16 and PB16. Both have gotten very good reviews in the press ...
Casey
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Post by novisnick on Jul 21, 2017 19:17:25 GMT -5
Id like to get back to audio my friends. I have a lovely set of PSA XV 15se subs (ported). Ive really enjoyed them for some time now but I and are remarkable. That said Im thinking of upgrading slightly for my HT and 2.2 channel stereo when I play music that requires kick. For HT id like to get kicked but I don't want to go to the poorhouse. 😋 If I can trade in my subs id like to get the best bang for the buck without being stupid with money. (Which is in very limited supply!) The room size is 12'6" X 16' X 8' Im thinking maybe a S3601i or a pair of S3000i 's or some other suggestion, but id need to sell my current subs first. What say you? When will Emotiva come with their serious subs is anybody's guess, whats yours? Im posting this with all due respect to our host, thanks Emotiva, y'all know I always have Blue Coolaid on hand! 😁🎶If you want bang for the buck check out the HSU ULS15 MKII. Sealed 15" and a pair will only set you back about $1,500. www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/hsu-uls-15-mk2Im thinking that my PSA subs would have a similar response to my room as a pair of these. |
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