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Post by vneal on Jul 28, 2017 9:23:06 GMT -5
First of all I get it. If you have a audio/video/living room. Sound panels and bass traps may not fit in your decor. This is my case. Enter the WAF. Most have one.
But enter a dedicated second audio room that I have been playing with, It makes no sense to spend thousands of dollars on amps, speakers, sources, cables and not take a long look at the room. So I took a 12 X 14 empty room in my house that has a wooden floor. Put a heavy cloth couch on one end. It also has a 3 X 5 window mid wall that I installed sound absorbing curtains over. I placed a carpet on the floor. I took a simple two way system and then added two bass traps followed by two absorption panels. Bass traps were put on the rear wall. Sound absorption panels were placed on the side walls in front of the speakers(first reflections)
You do not need audiophile ears to hear the improvements. Bass is tighter, imaging is better and enjoyment is higher. Now I plan to incorporate some into my main listening room that has a WAF. This may be more difficult.
My point is with a few hundred dollars spent on sound absorption--- that old amp or speaker just may not need upgrading. Happy listening. Pictures to follow.
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Post by garbulky on Jul 28, 2017 9:29:06 GMT -5
Yes! You are right vneal. Sound panels make a difference! It's audible and measurable. I think it's almost essential especially when one starts getting in to some good gear. No sense holding the gear back. |
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Post by adaboy on Jul 28, 2017 9:58:51 GMT -5
I agree 100% sound absorption panels and room treatments are a hell of a lot cheaper than all of the equipment people put into their rooms with the room being the most important. I'm glad you finally got past your skepticism like I did a few years ago.
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 28, 2017 10:11:31 GMT -5
I agree. With the availability of Art Panels, most significant others should be able to find a pleasing wall panel. Especially because you can have your own "art" printed on them.  |
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Post by vneal on Jul 28, 2017 10:28:25 GMT -5
I agree. With the availability of Art Panels, most significant others should be able to find a pleasing wall panel. Especially because you can have your own "art" printed on them.  Nice job. |
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 28, 2017 10:29:19 GMT -5
Whoa, look what I found. Acoustic panel movie posters and album covers.   |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 28, 2017 11:19:37 GMT -5
Hi repeetavx - Who makes THOSE? They look nice. |
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Post by repeetavx on Jul 28, 2017 11:22:13 GMT -5
Click on the pics, they're linked.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 28, 2017 11:22:49 GMT -5
You da MAN! Thanks. I actually like these even better:  |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 28, 2017 11:28:41 GMT -5
First of all I get it. If you have a audio/video/living room. Sound panels and bass traps may not fit in your decor. This is my case. Enter the WAF. Most have one. But enter a dedicated second audio room that I have been playing with, It makes no sense to spend thousands of dollars on amps, speakers, sources, cables and not take a long look at the room. So I took a 12 X 14 empty room in my house that has a wooden floor. Put a heavy cloth couch on one end. It also has a 3 X 5 window mid wall that I installed sound absorbing curtains over. I placed a carpet on the floor. I took a simple two way system and then added two bass traps followed by two absorption panels. Bass traps were put on the rear wall. Sound absorption panels were placed on the side walls in front of the speakers(first reflections) You do not need audiophile ears to hear the improvements. Bass is tighter, imaging is better and enjoyment is higher. Now I plan to incorporate some into my main listening room that has a WAF. This may be more difficult. My point is with a few hundred dollars spent on sound absorption--- that old amp or speaker just may not need upgrading. Happy listening. Pictures to follow. Agree 100%...wish you had some before and after pictures. I am in the market for the above mentioned acoustics. I do have some but most of which is foam egg crate style absorption which is NOT the best and by some to be considered as a waste. Also I am considering difussers. So V for whom did you purchase?. Thanks, Frank |
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Post by sebastianr on Jul 28, 2017 12:19:54 GMT -5
I agree 100% sound absorption panels and room treatments are a hell of a lot cheaper than all of the equipment people put into their rooms with the room being the most important. I'm glad you finally got past your skepticism like I did a few years ago. I think the combination of proper room treatment and Ignite Audio products is a match made in heaven. Couldn't be happier. |
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Post by vneal on Jul 28, 2017 12:46:49 GMT -5
Bass traps GIK
Absorbion panels ATS
ATSserms more affordable
I got 4" thick
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Post by Loop 7 on Jul 28, 2017 16:01:58 GMT -5
Total waste of money.
Just glue a few hundred empty egg cartons to the walls (and then wait to be served divorce papers).
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Post by vneal on Jul 28, 2017 16:17:14 GMT -5
You da MAN! Thanks. I actually like these even better: Pretty damn classy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:24:49 GMT -5
We plan to build a new house and I have gotten the "wife approval" for a dedicated HT/music room. I like Boom's picture- classy. The LP cover art is cool.
When I was in college, we took a field trip to a studio. They asked us to write down our evaluation of two rooms & which had the better equipment, SQ, etc. Turned out both rooms had the exact equipment (mid-grade quality), the difference was the acoustic treatments. I've never forgotten that trip.
No better system upgrade than room acoustics.
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 28, 2017 16:43:53 GMT -5
Whoa, look what I found. Acoustic panel movie posters and album covers. Nice stuff but way too pricey for my taste. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 28, 2017 16:50:47 GMT -5
You da MAN! Thanks. I actually like these even better: Very nice indeed, and I will bet costly. Look at the theaters they are display in....not your spare bedroom. Also you have to call for pricing, another sign that there products is above the average cost. Of course I have always said money is relative and I stand by that statement, so if you have the coin go for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 17:03:51 GMT -5
A quick way to cover exposed wall surface or conceal wall-hanging acoustic treatments is to use wall-hanging tapestries. While they aren't as absorbent at low frequencies as wall panels, they do have a significant effect on their own, and you can hang wall panels behind them to catch what passes through a thin one.
Also, wooden sculptures that have a diffusive effect can be very decorative all on their own.
Just a couple of ideas.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jul 28, 2017 17:05:12 GMT -5
The smaller the room (and the more closed corners there are) the greater the need for room treatment. My room is neither small, nor are any of the corners closed.
To "treat" my room in the manner recommended by the audio gurus, I'd have to put down carpet with pad, install acoustical tile over the sheetrock ceiling, AND cover all the walls and windows with absorbers (and the audio community would still say it wasn't enough). The cost would be more than $10K - the value of the house would DECREASE (a LOT) due to the modifications - the claimed results are questionable - the WAF is in the significantly negative range (not necessarily because of the look of the modifications, but because of the cost).
So read my lips - I'm NOT going there. Period.
If what I'm currently hearing is the best that can be done in this room, then that's what I'll have to live with. But my "normal volume" is still a pretty quiet one. ALL of my audio friends listen significantly more loudly than I do.
And volume preferences have a lot to do with room issues. Artifacts that are apparent at higher volumes are often NOT apparent at my lower ones. In fact, I often find that the lower the volume I listen at, the better most of my music sounds. Turning it up enhances some aspects of the music, but degrades others. In short, there's no free lunch.
If I had a dedicated listening room (new house feature?) - then I'd go for full acoustic treatment. But in a dual purpose living room, it just isn't going to happen.
Boom
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Post by vneal on Jul 28, 2017 19:58:15 GMT -5
The smaller the room (and the more closed corners there are) the greater the need for room treatment. My room is neither small, nor are any of the corners closed. To "treat" my room in the manner recommended by the audio gurus, I'd have to put down carpet with pad, install acoustical tile over the sheetrock ceiling, AND cover all the walls and windows with absorbers (and the audio community would still say it wasn't enough). The cost would be more than $10K - the value of the house would DECREASE (a LOT) due to the modifications - the claimed results are questionable - the WAF is in the significantly negative range (not necessarily because of the look of the modifications, but because of the cost). So read my lips - I'm NOT going there. Period. If what I'm currently hearing is the best that can be done in this room, then that's what I'll have to live with. But my "normal volume" is still a pretty quiet one. ALL of my audio friends listen significantly more loudly than I do. And volume preferences have a lot to do with room issues. Artifacts that are apparent at higher volumes are often NOT apparent at my lower ones. In fact, I often find that the lower the volume I listen at, the better most of my music sounds. Turning it up enhances some aspects of the music, but degrades others. In short, there's no free lunch. If I had a dedicated listening room (new house feature?) - then I'd go for full acoustic treatment. But in a dual purpose living room, it just isn't going to happen. Boom I understand . I started the discussion out with audio/living room WAF and you fit this to a T. You might not be hearing all you can hear. Large rooms have issues too |
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