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Post by sidvicious on Aug 20, 2017 15:44:54 GMT -5
I'm not going to go into a long review here, but man, for $279.00 and I may be indeed late to this party but all I can say is wow!!! I just got these a week ago and I'm still breaking them in. I'm currently using a small mix of components until, I set up my main two channel, but it consist of a Adcom 535II, SimAudio Moon 230HAD-headphone amp used as a preamp, a Cambridge Audio CD350 and a Music Hall MMF-202/Project Speed Box II with a Denon DL-110, a Project Tube Box and a pair of Elac B6, which are at ear level on stands. This little unassuming system sounds quite good for what it is and the Elac's don't image badly at all with more than a good amount of bass for their size. I'm still peeling my self away from the computer as I type this. My question for all of you is have you either listened to or own the Elac B6's and if so what are your thoughts???
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Post by cgolf on Aug 20, 2017 16:45:30 GMT -5
I'm not going to go into a long review here, but man, for $279.00 and I may be indeed late to this party but all I can say is wow!!! I just got these a week ago and I'm still breaking them in. I'm currently using a small mix of components until, I set up my main two channel, but it consist of a Adcom 535II, SimAudio Moon 230HAD-headphone amp used as a preamp, a Cambridge Audio CD350 and a Music Hall MMF-202/Project Speed Box II with a Denon DL-110, a Project Tube Box and a pair of Elac B6, which are at ear level on stands. This little unassuming system sounds quite good for what it is and the Elac's don't image badly at all with more than a good amount of bass for their size. I'm still peeling my self away from the computer as I type this. My question for all of you is have you either listened to or own the Elac B6's and if so what are your thoughts??? Never tried the B6 but I did have a pair of the Floors for about 3 weeks. Ended up sending them back. They were fine for the $$ but just never gave me the WOW factor I was wanting. Ended up going with a pair of Klipsch RP280F. Now talk about a WOW factor!!! Nothing wrong with the Elacs. They just didn't fill up our room like I wanted. Glad you're enjoying the B6s!!  |
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Post by vneal on Aug 20, 2017 17:19:38 GMT -5
It is the F5s that are the $279 each floor standers. As all the reviewers have said it is the best buy under $1000. I have them hooked up to a $4000 seven channel McIntosh amp in my theater. For audio listening the CM10s throw a much bigger soundstage and the highs and imaging are better.
The ELAC beat the B&Ws on the bass. But I can add a sub and handle that. It is not what they do but what they don't do. The sound like a $2000 pair of speaker not $550. With the mids & bass the ELACs get it right. They are rolled off on the highs. But I am comparing them to a $4000/pair set of speakers
As for the wow factor lacking I would agree but I have not heard sub $1000 speakers sound better
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Post by cgolf on Aug 20, 2017 18:06:54 GMT -5
I had the Elac Debut F6 and like I said there wasn't anything wrong with them but to me they were just ho hum OK. OTOH, the 280s, which were only about $100 more, are much crisper, powerful, dynamic and have the WOW that I was looking for. That's just me. Everyone is different and has different listening tastes. Go with what sounds good to you!!  |
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Post by garbulky on Aug 21, 2017 14:30:44 GMT -5
I had the Elac Debut F6 and like I said there wasn't anything wrong with them but to me they were just ho hum OK. OTOH, the 280s, which were only about $100 more, are much crisper, powerful, dynamic and have the WOW that I was looking for. That's just me. Everyone is different and has different listening tastes. Go with what sounds good to you!! What is the 280s? I can't find any info on it edit: Oh the Klipsch. Whoops |
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 21, 2017 15:52:46 GMT -5
I purchased a B6 pair 18 months ago planning to return them and swap back in my Vandersteens. Well, the B6 are still up and I don't have any plans of changing them out now.
Very low quality cabinet finish (wrap) compared to Emotiva and others but they make music.
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Post by lgcubana on Aug 29, 2017 5:42:51 GMT -5
If you want to give the tweeter a little punch, remove the protective grill; they aren't glued, just held in place by pressure.
I was wary of this being another internet B.S. theory, but it does make a difference.
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Post by vneal on Aug 29, 2017 8:23:26 GMT -5
The F5s have no tweeter protector
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 9:55:49 GMT -5
If you like the Elac B6, wait until you hear the Emotiva Airmotiv B1. Just saying.
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Post by aladdin on Aug 29, 2017 11:15:57 GMT -5
Hi Roy, I am from Oman with deep roots in USA. I want to buy Airmotiv T2 and ship them to me in Oman. I have left my cell number for Oman on the toll-free number, but it seems everyone is very busy with EmoFest . You have my email address for this forum too. If you like we can communicate with my registered email with you. BTW, How to buy the E-Club membership first for the discount? Many thanks, Mohamed |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 29, 2017 11:24:13 GMT -5
Hi Roy, I am from Oman with deep roots in USA. I want to buy Airmotiv T2 and ship them to me in Oman. I have left my cell number for Oman on the toll-free number, but it seems everyone is very busy with EmoFest . You have my email address for this forum too. If you like we can communicate with my registered email with you. BTW, How to buy the E-Club membership first for the discount? Many thanks, Mohamed Hi aladdin , the E-Club has been discontinued for some time now. Welcome to the lounge! 😁 Yep, everybody sure is busy at Emotiva preparing for all the fans that have made plans to attend Emofest. The first one in a few years. Hope the get back to you shortly. Good luck.🍀 |
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Post by aladdin on Aug 29, 2017 15:04:51 GMT -5
^^^^
Thanks novisnick for welcoming me to the lounge. And, thanks about the info on E-Club. I will wait till after the EmoFest and then order my T2
Best regards,
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Post by eplay on Aug 29, 2017 17:19:23 GMT -5
If you like the Elac B6, wait until you hear the Emotiva Airmotiv B1. Just saying. I've owned the Elac B6 for a while. I did audition the Airmotiv B1 and T1s. Really wanted them for the other room, but they were too bright for me. I can see that many people would LOVE them, however. |
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Post by Loop 7 on Aug 29, 2017 19:09:33 GMT -5
If you like the Elac B6, wait until you hear the Emotiva Airmotiv B1. Just saying. As a designer, you know better than anyone the huge role voicing plays in people's attraction to a speaker. A lot of people think the ELAC B series are rather dull sounding and don't reveal the recording. After owning a pair for a year, I would say they are definitely gentle speakers which happens to align with my taste but friends think they are just plain boring. |
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Post by Jim on Aug 29, 2017 19:29:08 GMT -5
If you like the Elac B6, wait until you hear the Emotiva Airmotiv B1. Just saying. As a designer, you know better than anyone the huge role voicing plays in people's attraction to a speaker. A lot of people think the ELAC B series are rather dull sounding and don't reveal the recording. After owning a pair for a year, I would say they are definitely gentle speakers which happens to align with my taste but friends think they are just plain boring. If they think they're "boring", what would they call exciting? Something with an exaggerated bass response? "Exciting" speakers is such a complicated concept to define. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:08:26 GMT -5
We don't design for 'dull' or 'exciting' - we design for accurate and detailed. Only a speaker that has a neutral tonal balance truly serves the music as it was recorded. Deviating from that should be a conscious decision of the customer, since it isn't strictly 'accuracy' being pursued. Look at the measured frequency response for the ELAC B6 as measued by Stereophile: www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker-measurements You'll see that the speaker has rolled off by more than 3dB before 15kHz, but more than that, a curve fit to the frequency response shows that the true 'start' of the speaker's roll-off is 5kHz, so it has tapered off by -6dB from 5kHz to 20kHz. My hypothesis would be that internal reflections inside the deep, narrow horn-like waveguide are killing the top end off, and a diaphragm resonance at 10kHz is the only source of substantial treble energy. Compare to our measured frequency response for the B1 speaker: emotiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/B1_Frequency_Response.pdf In our B1 speaker, the response is flat within +/-1dB from 90 Hz to 11kHz; there is a gentle rise beginning at 10kHz and culminating in a broad +3dB plateau between 15kHz and 21kHz, which is an artifact of the tweeter's native response that we decided to leave as-is (since it isn't grating like a narrowband resonance in a metal dome tweeter). The hearing of most listeners is already reduced by that point, so this actually enhances perception of the finest treble detail. This is extremely extended, balanced, and neutral performance, especially for a speaker of this price. You can make your own choices about what sound best suits you, and the sound of the ELAC speaker is certainly characteristic of more classic British speakers with 'polite' treble, but the design choices in the B1 speaker are intended to provide accurate reproduction, not 'voiced' reproduction, carrying forward Emotiva tradition from our much-loved Airmotiv powered studio monitors. If you need "more speaker" than the B1 provides, check out the T1 towers. At their price they have no equal. They are a true three-way design with extraordinarily flat frequency response and an open, musical sound free of harshness. |
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Post by vneal on Aug 30, 2017 10:14:41 GMT -5
We don't design for 'dull' or 'exciting' - we design for accurate and detailed. Only a speaker that has a neutral tonal balance truly serves the music as it was recorded. Look at the measured frequency response for the ELAC B6 as measued by Stereophile: www.stereophile.com/content/elac-debut-b6-loudspeaker-measurements You'll see that the speaker has rolled off by more than 3dB before 15kHz, but more than that, a curve fit to the frequency response shows that the true 'start' of the speaker's roll-off is 5kHz, so it has tapered off by -6dB from 5kHz to 20kHz. My hypothesis would be that internal reflections inside the deep, narrow horn-like waveguide are killing the top end off, and a diaphragm resonance at 10kHz is the only source of substantial treble energy. Compare to our measured frequency response for the B1 speaker: emotiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/B1_Frequency_Response.pdf In our B1 speaker, the response is flat within +/-1dB from 90 Hz to 11kHz; there is a gentle rise beginning at 10kHz and culminating in a broad +3dB plateau between 15kHz and 21kHz, which is an artifact of the tweeter's native response that we decided to leave as-is (since it isn't grating like a narrowband resonance in a metal dome tweeter). The hearing of most listeners is already reduced by that point, so this actually enhances perception of the finest treble detail. This is extremely extended, balanced, and neutral performance, especially for a speaker of this price. You can make your own choices about what sound best suits you, and the sound of the ELAC speaker is certainly characteristic of more classic British speakers with 'polite' treble, but the design choices in the B1 speaker are intended to provide accurate reproduction, not 'voiced' reproduction, carrying forward Emotiva tradition from our much-loved Airmotiv powered studio monitors. Since I have a pair I agree with your assessment. The ELACs do sound polite especially in the treble. For me they are OK for video less so for audio. I have not heard the T1s or T2s but if their value is anything like the BasX series of electronics I believe they would be great values |
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Post by Jim on Aug 30, 2017 11:20:11 GMT -5
We don't design for 'dull' or 'exciting' - we design for accurate and detailed. Only a speaker that has a neutral tonal balance truly serves the music as it was recorded. Deviating from that should be a conscious decision of the customer, since it isn't strictly 'accuracy' being pursued. After hearing/reading quite a bit of Dr. Floyd Toole, I love reading that. Talk about contrast... Nice job! (meh, inserting the images didn't turn out as nicely as I thought). Definitely worth the comparison.   |
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Post by leonski on Sept 3, 2017 20:20:58 GMT -5
The Audio guys here in SanDiego recently had a pair of the B5 for sale at about 1/2 retail. New in Box. They sold in about 1/2 hour after post went out.
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Post by beardedalbatross on Sept 3, 2017 20:44:10 GMT -5
I found the Elacs to have a bit of a dull tweeter. They're really just a more refined Pioneer BS22 in this sense. Comparing them to the Kef Q100, Airmotiv B1, and RBH R5Bi the Elacs just roll off too darn much at the upper end. For the money in a pure 2.0 the Elac B6 will mop the floor with the small and lightweight Airmotiv B1, but man I can't get over the tweeter.
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