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Post by kellyken on May 19, 2020 21:35:38 GMT -5
As for Tidal, you are not allowed to freely use its music on other devices due to the right protection. If you want to stream Tidal music on your phone, Chromecast or other platforms, you should need help from a third-party tool. Here I would like to recommend you to use the Tidal Music Converting Tool. It supports to convert Tidal music as local files with high quality so that you can transfer them to other devices for using. |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 20, 2020 22:00:31 GMT -5
I don't use music except on the living room stereo system. No mobile devices at all, thanks.
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Post by creimes on May 20, 2020 22:23:35 GMT -5
For me the following Tidal on the main system using Tidal on my Mac Mini or the Audirvana program for the rec room and/or outside on the patio on the Emotiva UOM speakers Tidal on my LG V30 or iPad to Sonos in the Kitchen, or JBL Bluetooth speaker depending where I am Tidal in my 2017 Silverado with my V30 and Android Auto Tidal at my PC via the Tidal app through my Asgard 3/Airmotiv 5S or HD58X Just a few spots I use it haha, I also have my ripped CD collection in the main system via Audirvana  Chad |
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Post by KeithL on May 21, 2020 1:15:10 GMT -5
I've pretty much switched over to Amazon streaming... Amazon Premium Music now offers both CD quality and above (although they call CD quality "HD").
(I find the selection on Amazon to be much better than Tidal... and I have never found MQA to sound consistently better than non-MQA content.)
However: 1)
As I recall, with Tidal MQA was only ever available on Apple and Windows computer clients, and not on apps on devices like phones. 2) I don't recall hearing about watermarking being used on streaming tracks... at least not on Tidal... and it hardly seems worth the bother.
"Encoding a track in MQA" is essentially a form of re-mastering, which does alter the way the track sounds. (The only reason to do it is because it does sound different... right?)
So it could be that some users just plain don't like the way some of those MQA-altered tracks sound after all...
However many streaming services do use their own proprietary lossy compression methods... and do apply "adjustments" like ReplayGain....
These aren't watermarks so much as the same sorts of tweaks most radio stations apply to their audio streams.... (Intended to make their music sound better to their users...) However many of them do alter the sound significantly... and rarely for the better... I'm not quite sure why someone would bother to watermark streaming content...
If they use lossy compression then the sound quality is already inferior... And, if they are claiming to stream bit-perfect CD quality content, watermarking would make that claim untrue...
(Watermarking changes the bits - so it is no longer bit-perfect if you watermark it...)
(And, if someone were to record streamed content, for personal use, who would ever see the watermark...?)
I should also point out that, while Amazon now IS offering CD quality streaming content... Spotify seems to have abandoned their plans to do so... And Apple is not promising it either... (And SiriusXM uses their own proprietary - lossy and not very good - compression scheme.)
So that probably tells us all something about where most of the demand lies...
Well, we should hope the only streaming service offering cd quality resolution and MQA doesn't fold...... To me it just means the general public may not value these things. No joy to be found in this potential demise, except my old cds may be worth more. That said, what do you think of the issue of watermarking that is on some streaming tracks that reportedly causes distortion? I would think that would detract from the quality of that stream versus the CD. Have you experienced this? |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 21, 2020 3:31:46 GMT -5
Stegonagraphic data ("watermarking") is normally inserted in the non-content parts of a bitstream, from what I understand. So effectively, it would be "between tracks" on an audio digitized stream, or else in a segment where the content dropped to 0dB within a piece.
The above data is some years old, and may be obsolete by now - but it's what I read about watermarking.
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Post by klinemj on May 21, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
As for Tidal, you are not allowed to freely use its music on other devices due to the right protection. If you want to stream Tidal music on your phone, Chromecast or other platforms, you should need help from a third-party tool. Here I would like to recommend you to use the Tidal Music Converting Tool. It supports to convert Tidal music as local files with high quality so that you can transfer them to other devices for using. I'm not following you here...I've played Tidal on my phone and streamed it to my car stereo via BluTooth. I've not tried that at home with devices other than my car stereo. So...what is it you are saying Tidal does not do and needs a 3rd party tool to do? Mark |
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Post by andyman on Aug 16, 2021 18:41:55 GMT -5
Hi
Does anyone know if I can play Tidal from my laptop direct to the Xmc1 via hdmi ?
I’ve searched post after post and they seem to get derailed.
It works directly with a USB cable but not hdmi although my laptop with Windows 10 sees the Xmc with hdmi cable connected but no sound.
Do I need a DAC ?
Thanks for your help.
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 16, 2021 19:41:34 GMT -5
I love Tidal and MQA. I can stream from two Arylic devices (non MQA)to my 3.6R Maggies or to a Marantz 7792 in a bedroom 5.1 system. I can stream full MQA in my living room through a Cary Audio AiOS integrated streamer amp to Zu floor speakers and full MQA trough a Project Stream Box S2 Ultra to a system driving my Revel Salon 2 speakers. I can stream from an Oppo Sonica DAC (non MQA) to my Hi Eff system of 300b triods driving Cain & Cain Abbys. I can stream to two Oppo Sonica speakers also. Then of course one can tie in via Bluetooth capable receivers to any thing streaming on my iPad or iPhone. I can streamm full MQA to headhpones through a ifi Zen STREAM to an ifi Zen DACv2 or through a Topping D9SE (also full MQA). So many choices, I get confused myself. Of course Tidal only allows one stream device at a time.
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Post by andyman on Aug 16, 2021 19:56:57 GMT -5
That’s great. Hopefully someone can help me out with my question
Thanks
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 16, 2021 20:33:14 GMT -5
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Post by andyman on Aug 16, 2021 21:15:05 GMT -5
Thanks I’ll have a read.
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Post by ttocs on Aug 16, 2021 21:19:23 GMT -5
Hi Does anyone know if I can play Tidal from my laptop direct to the Xmc1 via hdmi ? I’ve searched post after post and they seem to get derailed. It works directly with a USB cable but not hdmi although my laptop with Windows 10 sees the Xmc with hdmi cable connected but no sound. Do I need a DAC ? Thanks for your help. The answer is yes. I'm currently going from Mac mini via HDMI to XMC-2, but I did the same with XMC-1 before I traded it in. The DAC is in the XMC-1. Windows might need a driver, not sure about that. |
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Post by novisnick on Aug 16, 2021 21:25:58 GMT -5
Hi Does anyone know if I can play Tidal from my laptop direct to the Xmc1 via hdmi ? I’ve searched post after post and they seem to get derailed. It works directly with a USB cable but not hdmi although my laptop with Windows 10 sees the Xmc with hdmi cable connected but no sound. Do I need a DAC ? Thanks for your help. The answer is yes. I'm currently going from Mac mini via HDMI to XMC-2, but I did the same with XMC-1 before I traded it in. The DAC is in the XMC-1. Windows might need a driver, not sure about that. I’m pretty sure Windows needs a driver but Mac does not. Enjoy the 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 |
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Post by creimes on Aug 16, 2021 22:53:44 GMT -5
That’s great. Hopefully someone can help me out with my question Thanks Did you change the Audio output in the Tidal app on your laptop to the HDMI output ?, I use USB at both my PC and my Mac Mini which is at my XMC-1 and I have the Tidal application and Audirvana application set on the proper output and also click on "More Settings" beside the audio output and I choose "Exclusive mode" and "Force Volume" as well. Chad |
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Post by KeithL on Aug 17, 2021 8:33:39 GMT -5
The situation used to be that Windows needed a driver for USB Audio Class 2 (like the XMC-1). However, after the first few versions of Windows 10 (starting with the first Creators Edition), Windows had UAC2 support built in.
(Note that some UAC2 devices, like out PT1 and TA1, do still require a driver for Windows.)
However, with HDMI, the situation is slightly different... Because the graphics card controls the HDMI ports - so it is the graphics card which must support routing audio to the HDMI output. In the early days this was often a problem - with only certain sources or certain programs set up to do so... Lately you will usually simply see "HDMI" as an audio output option without doing anything special.
The answer is yes. I'm currently going from Mac mini via HDMI to XMC-2, but I did the same with XMC-1 before I traded it in. The DAC is in the XMC-1. Windows might need a driver, not sure about that. I’m pretty sure Windows needs a driver but Mac does not. Enjoy the 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶 |
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Post by andyman on Aug 17, 2021 11:44:37 GMT -5
Thank you for all the help. Creimes I didn’t know that option existed so thanks for that. I was on the wrong setting, 🤨I changed it, still didn’t work updated drivers on windows and voile
So thanks again.🙏
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Post by vcautokid on Aug 17, 2021 12:25:31 GMT -5
Then there is Qobuz and Amazon and so on. It is interesting times what you can choose today. What will happen tomorrow? Stay tuned.
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