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Post by geebo on Dec 13, 2017 18:58:11 GMT -5
I'm a lucky guy I guess. My wife likes the T2's and thinks the C2 looks nice under the TV, too. Yes, that's the thing though; they are polarizing. People either seem to really like them, or really not like them. Not much middle ground compared to many other speakers where looks is more pleasing to more amount of people. That's why I mentioned the pontiac aztek (which is even worse); the people that hate them, really really hate them, and the people that like them really really like them. They teased us with a really nice concept; I would have bought that quite easily. But I should probably stop talking about all this, I've said my piece now etc. Now fugly are the Nautilus things from B&W. Absolutely hideous. And some Wilson's too. Not only low WAF but low HAF, too.  |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 14, 2017 11:42:09 GMT -5
Personally, my tastes are more "old school". My absolute preference is for speakers that look like speakers... and I like wood. So, given absolute choice, I prefer rectangular cabinets, with real wood veneer (preferably walnut or dark oak), an oiled finish, and contrasting cloth grilles. I was perfectly happy when most speakers had a rectangular cabinet with oiled wood veneer. I didn't mind rubbing linseed oil on them once a year; and I hate ANY finish that looks like plastic (including expensive pianos); and I DON'T sit drinks on my speakers. I REALLY hate "piano black" - both because I think it looks like plastic and because it seems able to actually attract fingerprints. I think many modern speakers look downright silly... And I can't stand pastel colors... While it doesn't excite me, matte finish black is at least something I can live with. Given that, I actually sort of like the "Darth Speaker" look of our current "stealth styling". They look serious - like they mean business - which works for me. And, yeah, black does sort of go with almost anything... more or less. (But, then, I also consider sound quality to be MORE important than looks, and I don't care how something looks if it doesn't sound good.) In case anyone was wondering, the reasons why Emotiva doesn't offer wood cabinets are pretty simple: - wood cabinets are more expensive (but most people don't want to pay extra for them) - quality control is more difficult with wood cabinets (which makes them even more expensive) - wood cabinets are more subject to shipping damage - there are too many different types of wood (either you offer several - or most people won't like the one you picked anyway) Yes, that's the thing though; they are polarizing. People either seem to really like them, or really not like them. Not much middle ground compared to many other speakers where looks is more pleasing to more amount of people. That's why I mentioned the pontiac aztek (which is even worse); the people that hate them, really really hate them, and the people that like them really really like them. They teased us with a really nice concept; I would have bought that quite easily. But I should probably stop talking about all this, I've said my piece now etc. Now fugly are the Nautilus things from B&W. Absolutely hideous. And some Wilson's too. Not only low WAF but low HAF, too. |
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Post by geebo on Dec 14, 2017 11:50:46 GMT -5
Personally, my tastes are more "old school". My absolute preference is for speakers that look like speakers... and I like wood. So, given absolute choice, I prefer rectangular cabinets, with real wood veneer (preferably walnut or dark oak), an oiled finish, and contrasting cloth grilles. I was perfectly happy when most speakers had a rectangular cabinet with oiled wood veneer. I didn't mind rubbing linseed oil on them once a year; and I hate ANY finish that looks like plastic (including expensive pianos); and I DON'T sit drinks on my speakers. I REALLY hate "piano black" - both because I think it looks like plastic and because it seems able to actually attract fingerprints. I think many modern speakers look downright silly... And I can't stand pastel colors... While it doesn't excite me, matte finish black is at least something I can live with. Given that, I actually sort of like the "Darth Speaker" look of our current "stealth styling". They look serious - like they mean business - which works for me. And, yeah, black does sort of go with almost anything... more or less. (But, then, I also consider sound quality to be MORE important than looks, and I don't care how something looks if it doesn't sound good.) In case anyone was wondering, the reasons why Emotiva doesn't offer wood cabinets are pretty simple: - wood cabinets are more expensive (but most people don't want to pay extra for them) - quality control is more difficult with wood cabinets (which makes them even more expensive) - wood cabinets are more subject to shipping damage - there are too many different types of wood (either you offer several - or most people won't like the one you picked anyway) Now fugly are the Nautilus things from B&W. Absolutely hideous. And some Wilson's too. Not only low WAF but low HAF, too. I've also mentioned here before that pictures do not do the Airmotivs any justice. The sculpted 3D styling is much better in person. Sorry Hair Nick, your work is great but there's only so much you can do with 2D photographs. |
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Post by novisnick on Dec 14, 2017 12:09:25 GMT -5
@keithl said “quality control is more difficult with wood cabinets (which makes them even more expensive)” So very true! My pair of Studio 100’s V5, not a cheap speaker and not an extremely expensive one either but pretty expensive to me. I know I paid the premium for fit, finish and sound of my soeakers. Even after inspection and shipping to me in the deep south from Canada the finish had flaws that I didn’t approve of and they had to be replaced. Not cheap for them to ship two 90 lbs speakers back and forth. Nomatter what kind of shipping deal they negotiated. Still love their look and sound, seems they’ve only gotten better with time, yes,,,yes,,,,, better gear didn’t hurt either! LOL  |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 14, 2017 12:19:05 GMT -5
Now fugly are the Nautilus things from B&W. Absolutely hideous. And some Wilson's too. Not only low WAF but low HAF, too. Great case in point of polar opposites. I really like the looks of those B&W speakers you mention, but I'm not overly excited about how they sound. Wilson's have zero WAF, but they sound amazing. |
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Post by adaboy on Dec 14, 2017 12:36:57 GMT -5
I'm a lucky guy I guess. My wife likes the T2's and thinks the C2 looks nice under the TV, too. Yes, that's the thing though; they are polarizing. People either seem to really like them, or really not like them. Not much middle ground compared to many other speakers where looks is more pleasing to more amount of people. That's why I mentioned the pontiac aztek (which is even worse); the people that hate them, really really hate them, and the people that like them really really like them. They teased us with a really nice concept; I would have bought that quite easily. But I should probably stop talking about all this, I've said my piece now etc. 100% correct about that teaser photo! I still have it burned into my memory banks. I wanted that soooo bad! Shame with what actually happened. |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 14, 2017 12:41:11 GMT -5
I REALLY hate "piano black" - both because I think it looks like plastic I have this same distain for it in modern cars. It looks like cheap plastic. Hence why I pulled all the gloss black plastic panels out of my car and had them painted the exterior body color. WAY better. But, for what ever weird reason, on speakers it doesn't bother me. Perhaps since it's on pianos and even named for it, on speakers (a mechanical musical instrument) it doesn't give me that cheap plastic feeling. My big problem with wood is it basically forces you to get very "matchy matchy" with the rest of your house, and doens't allow much for future changes to your house. Of course my speakers are all black sock. I still think Def Tech should have at least made a selection of different sock colors an option. After all, some people do prefer a hint of color. Here's some pictures of my car dash after painting them Pacific Blue. They were gloss piano black which I hated.     |
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Post by KeithL on Dec 14, 2017 13:01:45 GMT -5
Several years ago I had a pair of small KEF speakers. They had a perfectly shiny piano black finish. I swear they would show fingerprints if you looked at them too hard... from across the room. I distinctly remember dusting them with a dust cloth. Then re-dusting them with a microfiber wipe to remove the lint FROM the dust cloth. No thanks.  I REALLY hate "piano black" - both because I think it looks like plastic I have this same distain for it in modern cars. It looks like cheap plastic. Hence why I pulled all the gloss black plastic panels out of my car and had them painted the exterior body color. WAY better. But, for what ever weird reason, on speakers it doesn't bother me. Perhaps since it's on pianos and even named for it, on speakers (a mechanical musical instrument) it doesn't give me that cheap plastic feeling. My big problem with wood is it basically forces you to get very "matchy matchy" with the rest of your house, and doens't allow much for future changes to your house. Of course my speakers are all black sock. I still think Def Tech should have at least made a selection of different sock colors an option. After all, some people do prefer a hint of color. Here's some pictures of my car dash after painting them Pacific Blue. They were gloss piano black which I hated. |
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Post by copperpipe on Dec 14, 2017 14:15:35 GMT -5
Several years ago I had a pair of small KEF speakers. They had a perfectly shiny piano black finish. I swear they would show fingerprints if you looked at them too hard... from across the room. I distinctly remember dusting them with a dust cloth. Then re-dusting them with a microfiber wipe to remove the lint FROM the dust cloth. No thanks. I have this same distain for it in modern cars. It looks like cheap plastic. Hence why I pulled all the gloss black plastic panels out of my car and had them painted the exterior body color. WAY better. But, for what ever weird reason, on speakers it doesn't bother me. Perhaps since it's on pianos and even named for it, on speakers (a mechanical musical instrument) it doesn't give me that cheap plastic feeling. My big problem with wood is it basically forces you to get very "matchy matchy" with the rest of your house, and doens't allow much for future changes to your house. Of course my speakers are all black sock. I still think Def Tech should have at least made a selection of different sock colors an option. After all, some people do prefer a hint of color. Here's some pictures of my car dash after painting them Pacific Blue. They were gloss piano black which I hated. I'm not 100% sold on piano black either. But here's the thing; put a pair of Kef R700 up against your T1's (for the same price) and see which sells faster. I'd bet a years wages the Kef will outsell the T1 10 to 1. Did you guys do any market research on any of this (genuinely curious)? As for finger prints, I don't touch my speakers, and my house isn't that dusty. Even in the summer with the windows wide open, it's not the end of the world to wipe them with a damp cloth once in a while; which you should be doing regardless of finish. Piano finish speakers don't magically collect dust any faster than wood grain; so it's just an "appearance of cleanliness" then; your wood grain speakers are still just as dusty, and by rights should be getting cleaned just as often. Don't blame the flashlight (piano finish) for drawing attention to something that is dirty But I like wood grain as well. And I don't have a problem with vinyl finish either, if it's done right. |
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Post by mfeust on Dec 14, 2017 15:04:28 GMT -5
What ever happened to the Schitt Eater. Mark |
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Post by RichGuy on Dec 15, 2017 10:53:37 GMT -5
I decided to go a different brand than the Schitt Eitr, I purchased a Matrix Audio X-SPDIF which should be arriving Wednesday by FedEX. www.matrix-digi.com/en/products/10/index.html#page1The Matrix Audio X-SPDIF has good reviews and has both Coaxial and AES/EBU outputs which works well for me as I have two MHDT DAC's, a balanced MHDT Stockholm to use the AES/EBU and an MHDT Havana to use with the coaxial. The Matrix Audio X-SPDIF has a nice CNC machined aluminum case and uses the USB's power so it does not require an extra power cable.    |
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Post by brubacca on Dec 15, 2017 11:02:16 GMT -5
My Schiit Eitr shipped today!
Thread officially back on track.
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Post by mfeust on Dec 15, 2017 14:57:11 GMT -5
My Schiit Eitr shipped today! Thread officially back on track. Way to go. But what are Schitt's speakers going to be named and what colors and finish will they be? Mark |
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Post by hemster on Dec 15, 2017 17:00:15 GMT -5
My Schiit Eitr shipped today! Thread officially back on track. Way to go. But what are Schitt's speakers going to be named and what colors and finish will they be? Mark Could the speakers could be named Schitt Blowers? Or their headphones be named Schitt Cans? Just sayin'.. The speakers will have to available in Third Brown.   |
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Post by Bonzo on Dec 15, 2017 18:05:40 GMT -5
Way to go. But what are Schitt's speakers going to be named and what colors and finish will they be? Mark Could the speakers could be named Schitt Blowers? Or their headphones be named Schitt Cans? Just sayin'.. The speakers will have to available in Third Brown. Natural Cherry finish could be called Diarrhea Brown. And I think I'd like a pair of Massive Schiit Towers myself. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 15, 2017 19:16:09 GMT -5
Jason Stoddard says that Schiit will not be producing transducers.
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Post by hemster on Dec 15, 2017 19:41:39 GMT -5
Jason Stoddard says that Schiit will not be producing transducers. But if they did, what would they be named? |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 15, 2017 21:10:01 GMT -5
Several years ago I had a pair of small KEF speakers. They had a perfectly shiny piano black finish. I swear they would show fingerprints if you looked at them too hard... from across the room. I distinctly remember dusting them with a dust cloth. Then re-dusting them with a microfiber wipe to remove the lint FROM the dust cloth. No thanks. I'm not 100% sold on piano black either. But here's the thing; put a pair of Kef R700 up against your T1's (for the same price) and see which sells faster. I'd bet a years wages the Kef will outsell the T1 10 to 1. Did you guys do any market research on any of this (genuinely curious)? As for finger prints, I don't touch my speakers, and my house isn't that dusty. Even in the summer with the windows wide open, it's not the end of the world to wipe them with a damp cloth once in a while; which you should be doing regardless of finish. Piano finish speakers don't magically collect dust any faster than wood grain; so it's just an "appearance of cleanliness" then; your wood grain speakers are still just as dusty, and by rights should be getting cleaned just as often. Don't blame the flashlight (piano finish) for drawing attention to something that is dirty But I like wood grain as well. And I don't have a problem with vinyl finish either, if it's done right. The problem is that the Airmotivs don't have a "classy" or at least understated look. I just can't see it as something that would blend too well when you have company. Having said that, I don't think they look bad to me. Imo my Axiom's look a lot better though for me it's really all about the sound. But yes, the previous speaker design would have gone over quite a bit better imo. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 16, 2017 10:44:26 GMT -5
Jason Stoddard says that Schiit will not be producing transducers. But if they did, what would they be named? TOL Floor stander: Valhalla Bookshelf: Tónlist (Old Norse for "music") Subwoofer: Thor |
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Post by b1pilot on Dec 17, 2017 17:43:20 GMT -5
why would you buy an Eitr over a jitterbug or an uptone auto regen?
I guess I am going to have to audition some USB decrapifiers to see if they are worth it
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