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Post by kybourbon on Jan 9, 2018 9:26:14 GMT -5
The QNAP you're comparing to the Synology is using an ARM processor, while the Synology is using a Celeron. It might be best for you to compare similarly priced and spec'd NAS devices. Here's a lower powered Synology: www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108624&ignorebbr=1If I was looking to purchase a Synology, I would go with this one: amzn.to/2CVUtG44 bays today, with the ability to add an external chassis for future growth. A little more expensive I know, but if you need to save another couple of weeks, well worth the price difference to me. Just my humble opinion... BTW its incredibly easy to upgrade the RAM in a Synology as well. I have 16 GB in my 8-bay DS1815+ |
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Post by LuisV on Jan 9, 2018 9:40:05 GMT -5
Great site for reviews: www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-reviews/33105-synology-ds1517-diskstation-reviewedNo question, Synology makes a great product and there are upgrade options. RAM, 10GB cards, expansion chassis, etc. If I didn't build my own, I would purchase the DS1517+, 6 or 8TB drives, a compatible 10GB card and call it a day. When the need arises, an expansion chassis. I have SFP+ ports on a switch, so I can take advantage of 10GB speeds. |
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Post by brubacca on Jan 9, 2018 9:55:17 GMT -5
Great advice here. You need to pay attention to the processors in these things.
Just a file server- Arm is fine
Media Server- should go intel Celeron
Need Roon Server or Transcoding- i3 or i5
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Post by creimes on Jan 9, 2018 9:58:13 GMT -5
I noticed though this Synology has slower read and write compared to the QNAP TS-431p, if that would matter to me in the end all though ? |
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Post by creimes on Jan 9, 2018 10:01:08 GMT -5
I wasn't planning on using it as a media server as my PC is currently doing that just fine, I could build another PC using a intel G4400 and MB with 6 Sata ports and such for $390 CAD Great advice here. You need to pay attention to the processors in these things. Just a file server- Arm is fine Media Server- should go intel Celeron Need Roon Server or Transcoding- i3 or i5 |
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Post by kybourbon on Jan 9, 2018 10:10:24 GMT -5
I noticed though this Synology has slower read and write compared to the QNAP TS-431p, if that would matter to me in the end all though ? Unless you are using it for business (massive speeds needed for hundreds of users) you won't notice any real world difference. Both are plenty fast for multiple streams throughout the house. |
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Post by LuisV on Jan 9, 2018 10:16:32 GMT -5
I noticed though this Synology has slower read and write compared to the QNAP TS-431p, if that would matter to me in the end all though ? Depends on the speed difference... might affect copying data to or off, but streaming a video to a lesser extent. Again, depends on use case... 10 streams, then sure, 1 steam, then doubtful. However, I look towards the future so I don't have to rebuy or upgrade later or at least try to minimize that. |
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Post by creimes on Jan 9, 2018 10:19:35 GMT -5
I noticed though this Synology has slower read and write compared to the QNAP TS-431p, if that would matter to me in the end all though ? Depends on the speed difference... might affect copying data to or off, but streaming a video to a lesser extent. Again, depends on use case... 10 streams, then sure, 1 steam, then doubtful. However, I look towards the future so I don't have to rebuy or upgrade later or at least try to minimize that. Synology DS418j Over 112 MB/s encrypted sequential reading throughput and 87 MB/s encrypted sequential writing throughput QNAP TS-431P providing outstanding performance of up to 223 MB/s read & 172 MB/s write throughput I'm sure it depends on what raid your using and what the disk specs are |
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Post by LuisV on Jan 9, 2018 10:24:17 GMT -5
It will take slightly longer to copy to and copy off data from the Synology. But again, 1 stream shouldn't matter much. However, like I said, think of how long it will take you to save the difference between the lower priced ones and DS1517+. I would save up... just my humble opinion.
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Post by creimes on Jan 9, 2018 10:30:26 GMT -5
It will take slightly longer to copy to and copy off data from the Synology. But again, 1 stream shouldn't matter much. However, like I said, think of how long it will take you to save the difference between the lower priced ones and DS1517+. I would save up... just my humble opinion. Do the Synology's all have the same software and available apps ? |
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Post by LuisV on Jan 9, 2018 10:45:02 GMT -5
As far as I'm aware, they all use DSM; however, based on model they might have different apps or features due to processing power or limitations. Before I sold mine, I blew away the array, formatted and precleared all of the disks. When I created a new array for the new owner I couldn't format the drives with BTRFS as my system doesn't support that format. Although it ran Plex and their Surveillance app, it was dog slow for my needs. Dockers ran slowly as well. It simply didn't have enough processing power for my needs.
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Post by LuisV on Jan 9, 2018 10:45:24 GMT -5
Sorry... DSM being the OS / console.
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Post by qdtjni on Jan 9, 2018 13:30:17 GMT -5
Several things to watch out for... 1. Avoid like the plague any RAID that uses its own proprietary formatting. Being able to read a drive without the source box is essential This alone is enough reason to avoid Synology, despite their popularity. DON'T buy Synology! RAID 0, 1, 5, 6 & 1o in Synology is based on bog standard Linux software RAID. So what do you mean with your statement above? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 9, 2018 19:31:09 GMT -5
RAID 0, 1, 5, 6 & 1o in Synology is based on bog standard Linux software RAID. So what do you mean with your statement above? NAS drives are usually a small, single-function LINUX boxes dedicated to getting and sending files. If the drive is used as a RAID device, it usually has a piece of hardware called a RAID Controller. RAID controllers often use use a proprietary filesystem and the drives are formatted accordingly. If the RAID fails or the RAID controller dies, you may be left with all of your data on a working disk drive but no ready way to access the contents. OTOH, if there is no RAID, the LINUX OS will likely have formatted the drive using one of several common and well known filesystems. Your disk drive can be pulled from the Linux drive box and installed into another computer for the data to be read. But if there is a RAID Controller and a proprietary RAID filesystem, you will need a working RAID controller replacement (of the same make, and sometimes the same model) to read the data. It is difficult, though not impossible, to obtain special software ($$$) that will read the proprietary filesystem used on some NAS drives. So I advocate using a RAID box that uses a non-proprietary format. Synology fails. |
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Post by petew on Jan 9, 2018 20:26:51 GMT -5
So I advocate using a RAID box that uses a non-proprietary format. Synology fails. That's where unRaid shines. In the unlikely event you lose (one oh) two drives at once, all the other drives in the array can be accessed and their files recovered right from the unRaid web interface. An individual file never gets written to multiple drives. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 9, 2018 20:46:09 GMT -5
My point being - with a non-proprietary format, you can have BOTH hot-swap drive redundancy (via RAID) - AND data recovery even without the RAID box.
Again - Synology fails.
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Post by Boomzilla on Jan 9, 2018 20:54:58 GMT -5
Only use SOLID STATE DRIVES Actually, the MTBF is worse with solid-state drives than with mechanical ones. |
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Post by Talley on Jan 9, 2018 21:40:11 GMT -5
My storage (as a semi-pro photographer): Backup 1 Internal drives of X size -> Backblaze backs up internal drives unlimited data for cheap Backup 2 X size drive mounted to ASUS router as personal cloud device backs up internal drive Backup 3 Second X size drive connected to second ASUS router located at father in law residence and is sycned via ASUS Aicloud Backup 4 15TB corporate dropbox account for my company and they only use 300gig and I use well... alot more  (dropbox corporate does versioning too and never deletes nothing ever) Backup 5 Really important stuff gets copied to my 1TB onedrive Backup 6 All RAW images gets exported via JPG Mini to jpg and gets uploaded to amazon photos Because of backblaze back up of internal drives only and it's super cheap cost... I must stick to internal drives. But I plan on doing some kind of Qnap 4 bay... I use some high end Qnap devices at work and they are SO nice and full of features. I also have over 5TB of photos/video which isn't much but I'm adding to it more and more monthly. I need to build a raid array that will have 30TB to last me another 10 years. Fixing to build me a high end PC that will last me another 10 years also. I do NOT RECOMMEND DISCS EVER.... they fail. DVD-R, CD etc... they fail. I have lost so much because of discs... never again. I could probably add a few more backups too. Drives are cheap. $150 for a 8TB is nothing. |
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Post by beardedalbatross on Jan 9, 2018 22:20:23 GMT -5
Only use SOLID STATE DRIVES Actually, the MTBF is worse with solid-state drives than with mechanical ones. This doesn't sound right at all. Can you post a source where you interpreted that from? |
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Post by gearhead2003 on Jan 9, 2018 22:30:39 GMT -5
Only use SOLID STATE DRIVES Not sure if I have the financial resources for that, I gotta somehow come up with the funds in the first place haha If you are an Amazon Prime member, you get free unlimited cloud photo storage. My wife does it through her phone automatically and she is the queen of taking a lot of pictures. On our honeymoon alone I think we ended up with 1500 photos and that's without including the multiple copies she edited. Best of luck my friend! For about five years I have used a Buffalo NAS with a 4tb capacity and its been chugging along for ever. I recently got a used Buffalo LinkStation 441e Enclosure LS441DE Personal Cloud Storage 4 Bay NAS and have to set it up. I'll report back once the setup is complete. Best of luck my friend! Cheers from CO.. |
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(dropbox corporate does versioning too and never deletes nothing ever)
